[Discussion] Conservative irony.

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Being a minority at LMU is extremely difficult. Every day, I get the impression that the majority of students and even the faculty do not care about my interests. The atmosphere of hostility is quite palpable. The expected response to this implicit condemnation would be to demand a safe space in which to express my grievances. The only problem is that I am a different kind of minority: a conservative Republican.

Ethnic minorities say things are unfair for them and they are crying - whining - snowflakes.

LMU, like most universities, claims to value diversity of all kinds. To this end, it has announced solidarity with African American, Hispanic, Muslim, LGBTQ and undocumented students on various occasions. There is just one category not included in this broad span: conservatives. The administrators who run this University have neglected to support people who might disagree with their liberal views. This is a glaring contradiction of their tolerant and inclusive message and reveals that they don’t practice what they preach.

The irony is palpable. Think back to when black people were getting murdered 100mph in the US(They still are, just isn't relevant in the news). Remember when black folks would say that walking the streets in broad daylight is dangerous because of the people meant to protect them? Conservatives called them babies and told them to suck it up. No one is targeting them and they need to pull up their pants, and act like the rest of 'us'.


The irony is so palpable.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Are they not letting them cry about other groups?

 

[Joon]

They are a bunch of hypocrites. And they hate facts and truth. I hate talking to them, but it's fun trying to burst their bubble.

 

[TemplarKnight]

Black people aren't suffering from the same oppression from all those years ago, and we should be damn grateful. Most black people are dying at high rates because of black people.

There's unnecessary crying coming from people of color over nothing, just the people in control trying to wedge relations between the races.

 

[l Forgotten l]

Black people aren't suffering from the same oppression from all those years ago, and we should be damn grateful. Most black people are dying at high rates because of black people.

There's unnecessary crying coming from people of color over nothing, just the people in control trying to wedge relations between the races.

You're the same black man who would snitch on the other black men for attempting to escape the plantation.

 

[Ludicrous]

It's basically saying "when they do it, they're snowflakes. when we do it, it doesn't count". They're showing signs of becoming the very things they claim to hate.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

You're the same black man who would snitch on the other black men for attempting to escape the plantation.

He's right though.

 

[Multiply]

Black people aren't suffering from the same oppression from all those years ago, and we should be damn grateful. Most black people are dying at high rates because of black people.

There's unnecessary crying coming from people of color over nothing, just the people in control trying to wedge relations between the races.

It's obvious black people aren't facing the same oppression as back then. However, they are still facing oppression. Just because it's not the same level doesn't negate it. Black people still can't walk down a street without being suspected for stealing something, because that's the light we've been painted in nationally. Ex - Stop and frisk.

I agree a lot of black people are dying at high rates by other black people. That doesn't mean they don't deserve help. Should they be looked down upon or taught differently. Most people don't have a problem saying what you just said, but won't agree to do anything to help them. There's a reason they call the houses where drugs are made/distributed the trap. It's because they're trapped and have few ways out. Basketball, football, rapping/singing, or be lucky enough to be able to afford college. Those are the only ways out in cities like Chicago, Camden, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Compton, Etc. Etc. When those are the only ways to get out, what else can you expect a group of people to do without help?

There isn't unnecessary crying. There's people genuinely crying because they need help. Then they pushed back and called snowflakes and told to get over it. That is perpetuating the racial divide, not helping it. If you ask me for help at work and I call you a snowflake and to figure it out yourself in a rude manner, will you ever come ask me for help again? No.

 

[JStar King]

Don't generalize. Not all of us are like that, plus you can't blame the whole spectrum for the crimes and wrongdoings of others on the basis of their skin color.

I agree that black people need to stop rioting whenever we don't get our way. It's 2017 for Christ sakes. We're supposed to be striving, instead destroying everything in sight. We need to wake up.

Sometimes I feel ashamed. Hell, black people would tear down their own because they're trying to make something of themselves and for not embracing the "thug mentality".

 

[HashiraMadara]

He's right though.

[COLOR="#FF000"]half right, 6 upside down is 9 vice verca. Conditions created by capitalism can inevitable create thug infested arrears...

> white neighborhood
> moves in a black family
> banks shill racist white owners to sell their house on that location for extreme low price
> banks buy almost all houses
> sells to the new black families moving in who suddenly found the neighborhood cheaper than usual
> government start cutting maintenance costs for that neighborhood
> new ghetto begins
> shit hits the fan and it becomes a Detroit [/COLOR]

 

[Multiply]

Don't generalize. Not all of us are like that, plus you can't blame the whole spectrum for the crimes and wrongdoings of others on the basis of their skin color.

I agree that black people need to stop rioting whenever we don't get our way. It's 2017 for Christ sakes. We're supposed to be striving, instead destroying everything in sight. We need to wake up.

Sometimes I feel ashamed. Hell, black people would tear down their own because they're trying to make something of themselves and for not embracing the "thug mentality".

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Just because it seems like they riot because they aren't getting their way doesn't make it so. Now I'm not saying every riot ever has had some underlying facts that we aren't seeing, but certainly in recent riots there are things we aren't aware of. Like for the Michael Brown riots. Most of those riots were peaceful protests, while still being labeled riots because traffic was blocked and people were angry. People aren't supposed to be all jolly and happy during a protest, because that's the whole point. They felt like something bad was happening to them and they had supporters because those same bad things were happening to them as well. Now when that group of thugs used the protests as an excuse to vandalize and steal things, people labelled all of the protests and demonstrations as violent riots.


As for the rest. I'm not generalizing. I was showing the irony in the thread while being ironic. Obvious not all conservatives are like the person in the article. Just like not all blacks are rioting thieves, or murderers. Just like not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants. Just like not all Russians are spies.

 

[kimb]

As for the rest. I'm not generalizing. I was showing the irony in the thread while being ironic. Obvious not all conservatives are like the person in the article. Just like not all blacks are rioting thieves, or murderers. Just like not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants. Just like not all Russians are spies.

You acknowledge racial and ideological demographics are not monolithic, when in your OP you place conservatives under a single moniker to create a false sense of irony.

You ARE generalizing when, in response to a conservative claiming to be victim to hostile treatment for their beliefs, you staple the caricature an apathetic, bigoted conservative who's dismissive to claims of hostile treatment by blacks in order to frame some sort of hypocrisy across conservatives.

Did you find a quote from the author in this article where he stated some akin to "blacks should suck it up", or did you attribute that caricature to him because he's a conservative and thought it was a stereotypical conservative stance to hold? If there is no quote, then you're guilty of generalizing and of hypocrisy on two fronts.

 

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You acknowledge racial and ideological demographics are not monolithic, when in your OP you place conservatives under a single moniker to create a false sense of irony.

You ARE generalizing when, in response to a conservative claiming to be victim to hostile treatment for their beliefs, you staple the caricature an apathetic, bigoted conservative who's dismissive to claims of hostile treatment by blacks in order to frame some sort of hypocrisy across conservatives.

Did you find a quote from the author in this article where he stated some akin to "blacks should suck it up", or did you attribute that caricature to him because he's a conservative and thought it was a stereotypical conservative stance to hold? If there is no quote, then you're guilty of generalizing and of hypocrisy on two fronts.

This has nothing to do with what he said per se, but more the fact that what he said and his situation got so much support from the conservative community.

I never once said that this is the belief of all of the conservatives because I never even said it was the belief of the conservative in the article. I was using his opinions to show the hypocrisy of the situation. I'll break it down:

Conservative student explains the situation and how he feels left out. - Praise and agreement from conservative community.
Minority group explains a situation and how they feel targeted(Or any other adjective) - Called snowflakes by conservative community.

Does that mean I believe every conservative falls into those two specific schools of thought? No. So sure I used a word that can be perceived as a generalization. That wasn't even close to my intention though. You zeroed in on one aspect and didn't look at the larger picture. People in this country are quick to dismiss the struggles of others and equally as quick to embrace a very similar struggle by someone of their own color/beliefs. They use things like color, religion, or beliefs to prejudge people before even hearing their side and it should never be that way.

 

[Lightbringer]

Black people aren't suffering from the same oppression from all those years ago, and we should be damn grateful. Most black people are dying at high rates because of black people.

There's unnecessary crying coming from people of color over nothing, just the people in control trying to wedge relations between the races.

You do realize that the majority of all violent deaths of every race are from within that race, right? Most white people are killed by white people too. It's not a revelation.

 

[SamAdams]

It's obvious black people aren't facing the same oppression as back then. However, they are still facing oppression. Just because it's not the same level doesn't negate it. Black people still can't walk down a street without being suspected for stealing something, because that's the light we've been painted in nationally. Ex - Stop and frisk.

I agree a lot of black people are dying at high rates by other black people. That doesn't mean they don't deserve help. Should they be looked down upon or taught differently. Most people don't have a problem saying what you just said, but won't agree to do anything to help them. There's a reason they call the houses where drugs are made/distributed the trap. It's because they're trapped and have few ways out. Basketball, football, rapping/singing, or be lucky enough to be able to afford college. Those are the only ways out in cities like Chicago, Camden, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Compton, Etc. Etc. When those are the only ways to get out, what else can you expect a group of people to do without help?

There isn't unnecessary crying. There's people genuinely crying because they need help. Then they pushed back and called snowflakes and told to get over it. That is perpetuating the racial divide, not helping it. If you ask me for help at work and I call you a snowflake and to figure it out yourself in a rude manner, will you ever come ask me for help again? No.

We've got to move away from these identity politics. Theres alot of people of different ethnic groups suffering from poverty in the US. As a matter of fact there are more poor white people than any other group and the white kids living with their meth head momma's while dads locked up are sick of hearing how damn privileged they are.

As for "blacks" having "a few" ways out like basketball, football etc. Think about that for a second. The LA Lakers team is a business and like all businesses they're out to make money. Blacks are over represented in basketball because they give that business the greatest oppurtunity to make money. If a black person made academics as much as a priority as they make basketball they would certainly have other avenues for success. All businesses want the people that will give them the greatest oppurtunity to make money. Period...


Identity politics are nothing more than a divide and conquer tactic used by the true racial supremacist. You know, the ones that ones that view the Talmud as the ultimate authority. The same ones that run the media, the banks, Hollywood, the music industry, the porn industry, the ones who account for less than 2% of the US population yet are over represented in all those industries and the executive branch of our government as well.

 

[kimb]

This has nothing to do with what he said per se, but more the fact that what he said and his situation got so much support from the conservative community.

I never once said that this is the belief of all of the conservatives because I never even said it was the belief of the conservative in the article. I was using his opinions to show the hypocrisy of the situation. I'll break it down:

Conservative student explains the situation and how he feels left out. - Praise and agreement from conservative community.
Minority group explains a situation and how they feel targeted(Or any other adjective) - Called snowflakes by conservative community.

Does that mean I believe every conservative falls into those two specific schools of thought? No. So sure I used a word that can be perceived as a generalization. That wasn't even close to my intention though. You zeroed in on one aspect and didn't look at the larger picture.

Again, there is no hypocrisy, and you're continuing to make the same contradiction you mad in your previous comment.

Both sides of a political spectrum extend from center-moderate, to far extremes at opposite ends of the spectrum. where two people (in this case communities) can exist on the same side of the spectrum, their beliefs, ideologies, and viewpoints can vastly differ from one another to such an degree, they become incomperable. So, It's possible for a conservative(s) to act contrary to the beliefs of another conservative(s).

The only way for hypocrisy to take place is if conservativism is a monolith meaning there is one set of beliefs, viewpoints, and actions across all conservatives, or if you have evidence supporting the claim that the same group of conservatives that support this article are the same group of conservatives calling people snowflakes.

Submitting to the idea that conservativism is a monolith (which you're guilty of by default) would make you a hypocrite, and being unable to provide evidence that the conservative who wrote this article or the same group of conservatives supporting this article are simultaneously dismissing minorities as snowflakes would make you wrong and a hypocrite.

People in this country are quick to dismiss the struggles of others and equally as quick to embrace a very similar struggle by someone of their own color/beliefs. They use things like color, religion, or beliefs to prejudge people before even hearing their side and it should never be that way.

I agree, and arguably everyone is guilty of this. People attaching themselves to an "in group", and casting out those determined to be the "out group" has been a reality of humanity since the dawn of society and exist in all facets of life; we're all tribal creatures. We delineate between the in group and outgroup to establish dominance hierachies and from dominance hierachies, societial structures; all done to better our chances of survival. This isnt an appeal to nature, or an excuse to any group of people to dismiss the struggles of any other group, I just wanted to give you my perspective on why people might commit acts hypocrisy in a political setting.

My belief is that we as a species should attempt to build connections outside of our in group whenever possible because that's how we grow as individuals and progress as a society. But, I also believe not all connections are worth making, especially when the out group is a threat to the ingroup.