CES or Gentle Fist?

[Tauren Chieftain]

All out CES against someone like 3 raikage would do sh1t to him.

All out Gentle fist to the heart or other organ would kill him.

Thats the difference.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Do you even know how the Yin Seal works? The seal only enhances your own power if it's activated with Byakugou no Jutsu. Haven't seen Byakugou Mode Sakura rushing towards Shin.

/QUOTE]

You mean when the seal is released? How about Tsunade using a portion of this seal to maintain a youthful appearance? It just shows that even without The Byakugou no jutsu, the user can access the reserves of chakra. So I see nothing wrong with CES relying on the Yin seal. But yep I see your point.

The very essence of the seal's release is intended for continuous Creation Rebirth. And Summoning Colossal Katsuyu.

 

[Belserion]

This idea is why Jyuken is better. Jyuken can never be tanked no matter how durable the opponent is, while CES will eventually meet it's match.

Both can one shot if aimed and landed properly, but if we keep giving them more and more durable opponents, CES will eventually become useless while Jyuken has the same effect every time.

Honestly I'm not saying CES > Jyuken or otherwise my only point in this discussion was about Orochimaru's Statement which was denied by a fair amount of people.

Both are potentially one shots under right circumstances as Kenny already stated. Sakura punching Shin shouldnt be Compared to Himawari using Jyuken on Naruto. Different circumstances different tiers. (Which I just did but forget the last reply).

But OT'S original question was which is more likely a one hit. Haven't been replying to that.

I think it's Jyuken because there are people like Kakuzu and the third raikage who can tank CES but not Jyuken.

 

[Belserion]

It's instant even without activation.

Do have you any proof for that? The Databook clearly stated that the seal enhances the strength if Byakugou is activated

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

What about Sakura going all out against Shin and not killing him

 

[Lyke]

Honestly I'm not saying CES > Jyuken or otherwise my only point in this discussion was about Orochimaru's Statement which was denied by a fair amount of people.

Both are potentially one shots under right circumstances as Kenny already stated. Sakura punching Shin shouldnt be Compared to Himawari using Jyuken on Naruto. Different circumstances different tiers. (Which I just did but forget the last reply).

Put OT'S original question was which is more likely a one hit. Haven't been replying to that.

I think it's Jyuken because there are people like Kakuzu and the third raikage who can tank CES but not Jyuken.

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Gentle Fist > CES

 

[Belserion]

Do you even know how the Yin Seal works? The seal only enhances your own power if it's activated with Byakugou no Jutsu. Haven't seen Byakugou Mode Sakura rushing towards Shin.

/QUOTE]

You mean when the seal is released? How about Tsunade using a portion of this seal to maintain a youthful appearance? It just shows that even without The Byakugou no jutsu, the user can access the reserves of chakra. So I see nothing wrong with CES relying on the Yin seal. But yep I see your point.

It wasn't stated that Tsunade uses chakra from the seal to keep her youthful appearance. Infact she had her seal recovered after the sanin fight but her Transformation wore off.

Sakura just stated that she doesn't have to waste chakra on a Transformation technique if I'm not mistaken..

 

[Made in Heaven]

Do have you any proof for that? The Databook clearly stated that the seal enhances the strength if Byakugou is activated

I recall it only saying the seal itself does so, not releasing it exclusively. idk

It wasn't stated that Tsunade uses chakra from the seal to keep her youthful appearance. Infact she had her seal recovered after the sanin fight but her Transformation wore off.

Sakura just stated that she doesn't have to waste chakra on a Transformation technique if I'm not mistaken..

It does, that's why Sakura says she doesnt need to use it to stay young. So yes, using Chakra from the Yin Seal without the markings is possible based on that, as well as using Katsuyu's power, linked to Yin Seal, without releasing it.

 

[SamAdams]

Dude. She tried to heal up the whole village that's why.

PS: please stop this fallacy. CES is specialized in wrecking opponents with just one shit whereas the nature of Gentle Fist necessarily requires multiple hits. The nature of both techs are totally different, so it shouldn't be that mortifying that it falls short in wrecking in one blow.

One hit to the heart chakra with gentle fist would be a one hitter so as an earlier poster stated, both can solo in 1 hit if the user is good enough to pull it off.

I would add that a CES user wouldn't need to be as talented to pull it off as the gentle fist user due to the strike precision gentle fist requires.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Depends on the user. As a technique gentle fist is far better though.

 

[123fire]

CES>>>>>>>Hinata's fodder gentle shit

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Also gentle fist style >>> CES style

1. Stronger one shot ability

2. Ability to destroy things made of chakra

3. Absolute defense

4. Way longer range

not even debatable

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[Melanin]

BTW, this is CES VS Jyuken not CES + Yin Seal VS Jyuken. Yin Seal has nothing to do with CES.

The Yin Seal via Yin Seal release does amplify CES as well as other jutsu, when the seal is releasing vast amounts chakra into their body the extra chakra goea into the attack.

Sidenote: CES is more lethal without a doubt but Gentle Fist is a better technique.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The Yin Seal via Yin Seal release does amplify CES as well as other jutsu, when the seal is releasing vast amounts chakra into their body the extra chakra goea into the attack.

Sidenote: CES is more lethal without a doubt but Gentle Fist is a better technique.

I know, this is about CES alone not beefed up by non-related techs.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

It wasn't stated that Tsunade uses chakra from the seal to keep her youthful appearance. Infact she had her seal recovered after the sanin fight but her Transformation wore off.

Sakura just stated that she doesn't have to waste chakra on a Transformation technique if I'm not mistaken..

Chapter 632 when Sakura manifested her seal... she didn't even release it but obviously we saw a great deal of boost in her punch/es.
She also comments that she doesn't even need to use it to maintain a youthful appearance...
Every Byakugou stan here in the base would also argue that Sakura will always stay young since she has that seal, ergo that chakra reserve.

About the Sannin fight, hmmm so what is more credible, that Tsunade moment from long ago, or the Sakura comment that is more, more more recent??

 

[Hakke]

This should conclude this thread.

okay.

 

[Belserion]

Chapter 632 when Sakura manifested her seal... she didn't even release it but obviously we saw a great deal of boost in her punch/es.
She also comments that she doesn't even need to use it to maintain a youthful appearance...
Every Byakugou stan here in the base would also argue that Sakura will always stay young since she has that seal, ergo that chakra reserve.

About the Sannin fight, hmmm so what is more credible, that Tsunade moment from long ago, or the Sakura comment that is more, more more recent??

I get your point except for one thing. Sakura's strength didn't increase after gaining the seal per se. It was stated by the manga that she had to divide her chakra for 3 years making CES more complicated to use. She actually self-nerfed herself because of the process of creating the seal.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

This idea is why Jyuken is better. Jyuken can never be tanked no matter how durable the opponent is, while CES will eventually meet it's match.

Both can one shot if aimed and landed properly, but if we keep giving them more and more durable opponents, CES will eventually become useless while Jyuken has the same effect every time.

I doubt Juuken can do shit to LV3 Susanoo while Tsunade wrecked that shit up pretty quick. So your argument that it becomes useless against durable opponents is bs.

I doubt that's a feat Juuken could pull off, and don't bring that overused scan of Kaguya or give Sakura the same amount of chakra she had right now.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

I get your point except for one thing. Sakura's strength didn't increase after gaining the seal per se. It was stated by the manga that she had to divide her chakra for 3 years making CES more complicated to use. She actually self-nerfed herself because of the process of creating the seal.

I also thought of it exactly that way. But Sakura's comment about her youth still stands. It still leaves Yin seal chakra accessible without being released. In fact, the releasing of the seal always proceeds to Creation Rebirth so it is assumed that is the primary intent.

You need to say this to people who stan Sakura tho. And also

Spoiler

In the Naruto verse enhanced strength is linked to chakra control. Every shinobi can use chakra control to mildly enhance their physical strength but when taken to the highest level with absolutely perfect and precise prowess in manipulating ones own chakra it's possible to achieve superhuman-levels of strength.

 

[Belserion]

I doubt Juuken can do shit to LV3 Susanoo while Tsunade wrecked that shit up pretty quick. So your argument that it becomes useless against durable opponents is bs.

I doubt that's a feat Juiken could pull off, and don't bring that overused scab of Kaguya or give Sakura the same amount of chakra she had right now.

I agree with you! CES has def. more force and power.

But that wasn't discussed here. It was about one hit = dead and even I know that CES finds it's masters in that field (Kakuzu, third raikage)

Jyuken aims for the organs and chakra network which even Naruto isn't able to protect himself from.