CES or Gentle Fist?

[Lyke]

Gentle Fist oneshots by stopping the chakra flow

CES on the other hand depends on the users strength

 

[Mori Jin]

Dude. She tried to heal up the whole village that's why.

I know that, that's the only reason she was out of chakra and in a coma. The same can't be said for the sannin fight, she released the Jutsu (same as the pain attack) but she only healed herself in this fight. Now explain to me why she'd be out of chakra here? It's stupid to think she was, she got her seal (and strength?) back after orochimaru left, but she was in a coma (for a couple of weeks or a month?) and it took her a while to get it back. Completely different circumstances and scenarios here. Anyway orochimaru survived that punch to the Jaw from her, so he wasn't one shotted. Hiashi took out that hidden cloud ninja, with 1 finger. Not saying CES can't but that it didn't (no one ever got killed by a user of CES with 1 shot as far as I remember) and that gentle fist has.

 

[Hakke]

True, and the your last sentence was unnecessary. It doesn't add anything to your point, plus we have no idea how potent CES would be supplemented by the same amount if chakra Hinata was.

However, even with their weaknesses in some aspects and stengths in some aspects, CES still has the one-shotting capability while Gentle Fist doesn't.

I think that's what you are missing here. Plus given that CES and Gentle Fist both faced up against the same opponent, CES would just be more detrimental.

If Gentle Fist got in 3 hits, to be fair CES would also get 3 hits, and that'd mean CES wins because it's simply just more lethal.

let me just explain how the Gentle Fist one-shot an opponent.

we all know that the Gentle Fist user inject some of his own Chakra into the opponent Chakra network to cause internal damage.

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Neji here have only injected a small amount of Chakra into Hinata's network to damage her but to also keep her alive since he had to intent to kill her

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while here he injected a large amount of Chakra to one shot a large spider summon

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simply, injecting more Chakra = causing more damage. and the Gentle Fist user can inject as many Chakra as he want from his own Chakra. take in example Neji here kept channeling Chakra through a web with a length of 50 meters.

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so the Gentle Fist is more lethal.

but the problem is, you need to keep your palm in contact with your opponet for a certain amount of time to inject a certain amount of Chakra(injecting a large amount of Chakra would take some time as shown when Neji one shoted the spider) while a forceful CES punch would crush an opponent the moment it makes contact with him. so you can say it one-shot faster

and it can also one shot from a distance by punching the ground.

 

[Lyke]

btw hyugas fighting style is always stronger

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[KidGamer65]

CES is better offensively than basic Gentle Fist. The overall fighting style of Gentle Fist is far superior tho.

 

[Made in Heaven]

BTW, this is CES VS Jyuken not CES + Yin Seal VS Jyuken. Yin Seal has nothing to do with CES.

 

[Belserion]

btw hyugas fighting style is always stronger

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Naruto was out of commission not dead ^^

 

[Lyke]

Naruto was out of commission not dead ^^

couldve completely destroyed the chakra network -> death

but didnt

 

[Made in Heaven]

Naruto was out of commission not dead ^^

Like Shin with Sakura who even had killing intent and Yin Seal, only her's lasted a few minutes. :gn:

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

let me just explain how the Gentle Fist one-shot an opponent.

we all know that the Gentle Fist user inject some of his own Chakra into the opponent Chakra network to cause internal damage.

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Neji here have only injected a small amount of Chakra into Hinata's network to damage her but to also keep her alive since he had to intent to kill her

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while here he injected a large amount of Chakra to one shot a large spider summon

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simply, injecting more Chakra = causing more damage. and the Gentle Fist user can inject as many Chakra as he want from his own Chakra. take in example Neji here kept channeling Chakra through a web with a length of 50 meters.

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so the Gentle Fist is more lethal.

but the problem is, you need to keep your palm in contact with your opponet for a certain amount of time to inject a certain amount of Chakra(injecting a large amount of Chakra would take some time as shown when Neji one shoted the spider) while a forceful CES punch would crush an opponent the moment it makes contact with him. so you can say it one-shot faster

and it can also one shot from a distance by punching the ground.

This should conclude this thread.

 

[Belserion]

couldve completely destroyed the chakra network -> death

but didnt

Kakuzu's chakra network was destroyed by Naruto's FRS and He survived :|

Like Shin with Sakura who even had killing intent, only her's lasted a few minutes. :gn:

Shin would have died if Sakura wouldn't have agreed to transplant the organs she crushed. Him not dying on the Spot doesn't mean it wasn't a one shot. He would have died to that punch sooner or later.

 

[Lyke]

Kakuzu's chakra network was destroyed by Naruto's FRS and He survived :|


Shin would have died if Sakura wouldn't have agreed to transplant the organs she crushed. Him not dying on the Spot doesn't mean it wasn't a one shot. He would have died to that punch sooner or later.

Kakuzu even fought the 1st Hokage. besides, if you gave kakuzu a taste of CES and Gentle Fist, the GF would do more damage. CES would do nothing

 

[Belserion]

Kakuzu even fought the 1st Hokage. besides, if you gave kakuzu a taste of CES and Gentle Fist, the GF would do more damage. CES would do nothing

Yeah, I agree. Kakuzu's Doton Jutsu can only be countered by either Raiton or Jyuken but that wasn't my point.

You assumed that a destroyed chakra network means certain death. Yet Kakuzu survived.

So your argument isn't true. Even if Himawari destroyed the network which by feats no Hyuuga ever accomplished, they either seal Or enhance The network, Naruto would've survived.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Shin would have died if Sakura wouldn't have agreed to transplant the organs she crushed. Him not dying on the Spot doesn't mean it wasn't a one shot. He would have died to that punch sooner or later.

Never said otherwise. But you've got CES alongside Yin Seal and killing intent VS Jyuken w/ no killing intent and hitting only one point leading to a few minutes of unconsciousness VS a whole day.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yeah, I agree. Kakuzu's Doton Jutsu can only be countered by either Raiton or Jyuken but that wasn't my point.

This idea is why Jyuken is better. Jyuken can never be tanked no matter how durable the opponent is, while CES will eventually meet it's match.

Both can one shot if aimed and landed properly, but if we keep giving them more and more durable opponents, CES will eventually become useless while Jyuken has the same effect every time.

 

[Lyke]

Yeah, I agree. Kakuzu's Doton Jutsu can only be countered by either Raiton or Jyuken but that wasn't my point.

You assumed that a destroyed chakra network means certain death. Yet Kakuzu survived.

So your argument isn't true. Even if Himawari destroyed the network which by feats no Hyuuga ever accomplished, they either seal Or enhance The network, Naruto would've survived.

thats naruto were talking about with uzumaki, otsutsuki and kyubi chakra. he wont go down so easily by any means
even CES cant harm him then tbh

if we take naruto and every alienlevel out of this, its still Gentle Fist > CES

let me just explain how the Gentle Fist one-shot an opponent.

we all know that the Gentle Fist user inject some of his own Chakra into the opponent Chakra network to cause internal damage.

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Neji here have only injected a small amount of Chakra into Hinata's network to damage her but to also keep her alive since he had to intent to kill her

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while here he injected a large amount of Chakra to one shot a large spider summon

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simply, injecting more Chakra = causing more damage. and the Gentle Fist user can inject as many Chakra as he want from his own Chakra. take in example Neji here kept channeling Chakra through a web with a length of 50 meters.

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so the Gentle Fist is more lethal.

but the problem is, you need to keep your palm in contact with your opponet for a certain amount of time to inject a certain amount of Chakra(injecting a large amount of Chakra would take some time as shown when Neji one shoted the spider) while a forceful CES punch would crush an opponent the moment it makes contact with him. so you can say it one-shot faster

and it can also one shot from a distance by punching the ground.

 

[Belserion]

Never said otherwise. But you've got CES alongside Yin Seal and killing intent VS Jyuken w/ no killing intent and hitting only one point leading to a few minutes of unconsciousness VS a whole day.

Do you even know how the Yin Seal works? The seal only enhances your own power if it's activated with Byakugou no Jutsu. Haven't seen Byakugou Mode Sakura rushing towards Shin.

And your last argument is only supporting my point.

Shin was unconscious for a few minutes but without outside help he'd have been a goner.

While Naruto got back up and survived on his own.

 

[Lyke]

Shin was unconscious for a few minutes but without outside help he'd been a goner.

While Naruto got back up and survived on his own.

You failed the moment you compared Shin and Narutos resistance against attacks by Sakura and a kid

 

[Made in Heaven]

Do you even know how the Yin Seal works? The seal only enhances your own power if it's activated with Byakugou no Jutsu. Haven't seen Byakugou Mode Sakura rushing towards Shin.

And your last argument is only supporting my point.

Shin was unconscious for a few minutes but without outside help he'd have been a goner.

While Naruto got back up and survived on his own.

It's instant even without activation.

 

[Logic1992]

Hiashi's Rotation is enough to kill more than 20 ninjas much less a hit from his Gentle fist .

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I'd put them as equals in terms of one shotting people with basic durability but clearly Gentle fist is much superior in a Global analysis , having the ability to bypass durability makes it more likely a one hitter. If the Third Raikage got hit by both Hiashi and Tsunade intending to one shot , Gentle fist would more likely be the one hitter that critically injures him , same for Kakuzu w/domu.

So in that sense GF is clearly above CES easily without debate and in any other equals.