If you remove your unnecessary hate filled glasses for anything hyuga, you'll realize this post of yours makes no sense. Even if i were wrong (which i don't believe i am) these are horrible comparisons. The db entry of 64 palms alone wrecks 99% of your post not to mention Hinata actually does use 360 in the manga.
Claims here I have hate filled glasses and vendetta but he is the one who is trying to downplay sakura's abilities :lol
Yes man would love to see them since hiashi has not shown 64 palms nor mentioned its user.Hinata only has it since she used 64 palms.is this your argument. :lol
No your argument will be since DB mentions 360 degree as byakugan's ability so they get it.But it does same for painful sky leg you will beat around the bush.When it does same for tsunade lifting bunta's tanto you will try to discredit it
On other hand I have never ever claimed that neither hinata or hiashi don't have 360 degree vision in any debate.So who is wearing hate filled glasses.
you are the one making argument for hinata in a match where she gets badly violated thus ever occurred to you maybe you are hyuga wanker :lol
Claims here I have hate filled glasses and vendetta but he is the one who is trying to downplay sakura's abilities :lol
Yes man would love to see them since hiashi has not shown 64 palms nor mentioned its user.Hinata only has it since she used 64 palms.is this your argument. :lol
No your argument will be since DB mentions 360 degree as byakugan's ability so they get it.But it does same for painful sky leg you will beat around the bush.When it does same for tsunade lifting bunta's tanto you will try to discredit it
On other hand I have never ever claimed that neither hinata or hiashi don't have 360 degree vision in any debate.So who is wearing hate filled glasses.
you are the one making argument for hinata in a match where she gets badly violated thus ever occurred to you maybe you are hyuga wanker :lol
As you saw, it was explicitly stated. Now point out to me where its explicitly said chakra is used to enhance strength bro.. And i never said you had a vendetta. Guilty conscience? :lol
Finally. Point this out to others and they make it seem like you're on some vendetta against Sakura or sth... however you seem to have forgotten the main point? Having more of your own chakra only boosts power to your attacks not somehow increase reactions. That feat belongs to tailed beast chakra... So Sakura avoiding Kaguya's chakra arm was as a result of distance since she wasn't even under the effects of the yin seal right? Or is there a case in the manga where having more of their regular chakra somehow boosted reactions?
Sakura was blatantly shown to get faster when it comes to movement speed post Yin Seal. There's no debating that point regardless of how it happened. Sakura evading the chakra arm is a combination of her speed and the fact that it was far away. Simple as that.
Except the battlefield one was widespread with enough space in between spikes you could be lucky enough to not
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. There was enough wiggle room so there really isn't any reason she should be barely dodging that when an earlier version of herself was able to clearly evade a fast widespread attack focused on her.
This makes no sense. There is barely wiggle room. Meanwhile Sasori's attacks are not widespread save for Iron Sand World Order meaning there is much more space you can evade to. Regardless, all this isn't Sakura after opening her seal so it doesn't really matter.
bold..how so? If she's able to pinpoint one headed for Naruto out of the multitude and intercept with air palm, doesn't that mean without air palm she simply sidesteps if that was aimed at her?
Because once again, reacting w/ Air Palm isn't an evasion. She doesn't need to move anything but her hands to knock a spike away w/ Air Palm. More effort is required to dodge.
But Neji consciously and intentionally shut off her points. That wasn't a reaction to anything.. He did that on purpose. He was obviously faster than her in terms of hand to hand which equates to speed in taijutsu prowess ala skill in taijutsu since normal speed =/=speed in hand to hand.
What are you even talking about? They were fighting in Taijutsu. Hinata attacks, Neji retaliates and shuts her points off. That's how it was shown to go. "He did that on purpose". So? Reacting to something will obviously be on purpose so idk how that proves anything.
Lmao we're talking about who was faster with said strikes. That is speed. Fast=Speed. Not skill. Speed and skill have nothing to do with each so stop. This stuff in the bold makes zero sense. Speed in Taijutsu prowess is skill? :lol No, speed in anything is speed. There is no such thing as "normal speed". Speed is how fast you or something moves whether that be your hands, your legs or your entire body.
Then what is your take on this match. Ground punch gg?
My take on this match is in my very first post on this thread.
Actually he was...the databook stats of the time makes this clear. The correlation is how someone weaker in strength is still able to contend in hand to hand.
Hinata is 1.5 pts below Neji. That's not FAR weaker nor is that comparable to the gap between Hinata and someone who can obliterate a Susanoo. Another reason why your correlation is weak.
That's not a correlation. :lol If I can't apply your correlation to every scenario it doesn't make sense. Will you use the same logic to say Neji can contend with a fully cloaked Ay in hand to hand because a weaker person can compete with a stronger person? No, you won't, so stop using that logic here. It doesn't help.
I put the part that got me confused in bold. You said 'as she moves' so i thought you were referring to legs as i don't see how moving and gathering chakra into the fists will inhibit the byakugan from seeing the chakra collating.
1. Sakura begins to punch the ground.
2. As her hand is moving towards the ground she accumulates chakra.
3. Hits ground.
No one said the Byakugan won't see it, it just won't matter. The reason why Byakugan would help is because she'd see the chakra BEFORE she punches. If it is gathering AS she is punching there is no point, obviously.
ces is a fan made term...however its literal application has been mentioned in the db with the raikage's lightning armor and in the first db
Chakra
Accumulating chakra and forming seals to activate a jutsu!
The physical and mental energies from 130 million body cells, that is, chakra, are accumulated, and by performing seals, this energy is converted into a jutsu. If this sequence is performed impeccably, the jutsu is activated.
To activate jutsu other than taijutsu, basic chakra conversion is needed.
To put it plainly, chakra is what fuels a jutsu. The mental and physical energies of a shinobi’s body are joined together into stamina, which is internally converted into chakra, the energy source for a jutsu’s activation. The efficiency of this conversion is influenced by the user’s skill. Being able to efficiently convert stamina means a possibility to cast an even larger number of jutsu. In addition, chakra can be used to temporarily trigger some physical abilities. Thanks to this, shinobi can perform superhuman physical feats.
But no where does it mention chakra is used to enhance strength in Sakura's case. Chakra being concentrated in the fists is not ces.
Chakra is accumulated in her fist and it results in something that is mistaken for superhuman strength. Chakra gathered in the fist or leg is exactly how chakra enhanced strength works. Are we really questioning this right now? That's exactly what the DB states about Tsunade's strength. Chakra is gathered in her limb and it increases her physical power.
Databook 2
Konoha Thousand Leaves Collection #24
It would seem Tsunade's "outrageous strength" completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.
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-Here's to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime's insane, "Legendary", power!!
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-One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta's huge dosu** with absurd ease...?!
-The kind of might that opens craters into the ground in one blow!!
Then we could use some common sense. Sakura didn't develop the ability on her own, she learned it from Tsunade. What's makes this worse is that you know very well that what Sakura uses is what Tsunade uses. You just want to deny it in some attempt to give Hinata more of an advantage.
Hopefully you're not referring to the finger thing because Tsunade makes it clear before Naruto charges her that a single finger would be enough to handle him.
Uh, no. That wasn't in any kind of rage so idk why you'd assume that. She punched the wall when she got angry at Oro and Kabuto during their meeting.
As for the bold i'm not looking to resort to anything..i just think battling is different when the opponent uses/can be your counter. Give Rock lee a lightning enhanced kunai and he wins against Gaara in the CE because lightning > earth and he easily pierces through the weaker armor of sand.
I'm only pitting technique against technique here... And coming in for a hand to hand against a gentle fist user especially when your hand to hand skill isn't on par and depends heavily on the use of chakra doesn't make the odds look good for said opponent imo except you're sure it's ground punch gg?
Except you've yet to actually provide feats for Hinata that let her do pretty much anything you are claiming she can do and this is exactly what you and others do with Neji when he's the one fighting someone in these threads.
It would seem Tsunade's "outrageous strength" completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning.
Yes u didn't say that
Guilty conscience eh :lol is that reason you skipped the part of hiashi not having 64 palms and TLF according to your logic since DB and manga does not gave that to him
Sakura was blatantly shown to get faster when it comes to movement speed post Yin Seal. There's no debating that point regardless of how it happened. Sakura evading the chakra arm is a combination of her speed and the fact that it was far away. Simple as that.
Very well..the bold is pretty much what i wanted to confirm anyway.
This makes no sense. There is barely wiggle room. Meanwhile Sasori's attacks are not widespread save for Iron Sand World Order meaning there is much more space you can evade to. Regardless, all this isn't Sakura after opening her seal so it doesn't really matter.
Because once again, reacting w/ Air Palm isn't an evasion. She doesn't need to move anything but her hands to knock a spike away w/ Air Palm. More effort is required to dodge.
You admit the spikes were fast from its initial height... but then we see the juubi arm close the distance and launch a pinpoint attack. Hinata readjusts and assumes meat shield position. If the pinpoint attack was directed at her, do you mean she wouldn't be able to evade them? i mean the little time spent in the meat shield position staring at the spikes is enough to move away right? Or am i misinterpreting?
As for the rest of your post, i could reply but its sorta tiring at this point... Thanks for the time and not getting uber aggressive for no reason unlike so....
However, i would like a reply to the above quote?
Yes u didn't say that
Guilty conscience eh :lol is that reason you skipped the part of hiashi not having 64 palms and TLF according to your logic since DB and manga does not gave that to him
Spoiler: Hakkeshou Kaiten translation
KEKKEI GENKAI; Taijutsu: Hakkeshou Kaiten (Titanic Revolution* of the Eight Trigrams Palm)
User: Hyuuga Neji
Defensive; Close range; Rank: none
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A taijutsu where one releases a large amount of chakra from their body's chakra openings to catch the blows from an enemy's attacks, while making one's body spin to repel them. A secret transmitted by oral tradition within the Hyuuga's Main House, though Hyuuga Neji came up with it own his own, despite him being from the Branch House. It stands in the same league as Gaara's Sand as an ultimate protection, and was even called "the other Absolute Defense". This is the high grade taijutsu that made Neji's prodigious talent known during the Chuunin exam.
Very well..the bold is pretty much what i wanted to confirm anyway.
You admit the spikes were fast from its initial height... but then we see the juubi arm close the distance and launch a pinpoint attack. Hinata readjusts and assumes meat shield position. If the pinpoint attack was directed at her, do you mean she wouldn't be able to evade them? i mean the little time spent in the meat shield position staring at the spikes is enough to move away right? Or am i misinterpreting?
As for the rest of your post, i could reply but its sorta tiring at this point... Thanks for the time and not getting uber aggressive for no reason unlike so....
However, i would like a reply to the above quote?
Blaze chan...I'm not pointing it out..read the db. Hint: look for the words 'main house' and work your way up from there.
They were fast, yes. That's just a vague labeling though. So yes, Hinata hasn't shown anything that'd let anyone believe she'd dodge the attack you are saying she'd be able to. Repelling one isn't evidence of her being able to evade as it requires less effort than dodging.
They were fast, yes. That's just a vague labeling though. So yes, Hinata hasn't shown anything that'd let anyone believe she'd dodge the attack you are saying she'd be able to. Repelling one isn't evidence of her being able to evade as it requires less effort than dodging.
. The closer the distance, the faster stuff will appear. Hiashi makes it known simple air palm wouldn't have sufficed because of the quantity. Seeing as she was a few feet besides Naruto before assuming the meat shield and still staring at the spikes before impact, is that still not enough to show she could have evaded if those were aimed at her?
Hinata again? Bruh...weren't we talking about Hiashi? The war arc showed Hinata couldn't do rotation despite what the db said. Again, re-read the db w.r.t your questions about Hiashi not Hinata :lol
. The closer the distance, the faster stuff will appear. Hiashi makes it known simple air palm wouldn't have sufficed because of the quantity. Seeing as she was a few feet besides Naruto before assuming the meat shield and still staring at the spikes before impact, is that still not enough to show she could have evaded if those were aimed at her?
You should stop asking me the same question over and over again expecting a different response. She was next to Naruto when the spikes were launched. Getting in front of him doesn't mean she can evade the attack because the attack covers more ground than what she did when she moved from beside Naruto to cover him.
And a few feet beside Naruto? She was right next to him. Lmao you really need to stop this.
Hinata again? Bruh...weren't we talking about Hiashi? The war arc showed Hinata couldn't do rotation despite what the db said. Again, re-read the db w.r.t your questions about Hiashi not Hinata :lol
Do you have a habit of beating around the bush :lol
Hinata is from main branch and she does not know kaiten thus according to your logic hiashi cannot use 64 palms or TLW since he was never shown to do it nor mentioned in db.Just being from main branch does give u a main branch jutsu aka hinata not having kaiten
But this logic is pure crap since hiashi became leader of hyuga and has shown far superior jutsu thus no reason to believe he don't have them just becoz he hasn't shown them
Same is true for sakura using kick or lifting like tsunade since its part of the skill and jutsu she inherited from tsunade.Considering she mastered yin seal pinnacle of chakra control their should be no reason to believe she can't have them just becoz she hadn't shown them :lol
You should stop asking me the same question over and over again expecting a different response. She was next to Naruto when the spikes were launched. Getting in front of him doesn't mean she can evade the attack because the attack covers more ground than what she did when she moved from beside Naruto to cover him.
And a few feet beside Naruto? She was right next to him. Lmao you really need to stop this.
Do you have a habit of beating around the bush :lol
Hinata is from main branch and she does not know kaiten thus according to your logic hiashi cannot use 64 palms or TLW since he was never shown to do it nor mentioned in db.Just being from main branch does give u a main branch jutsu aka hinata not having kaiten
But this logic is pure crap since hiashi became leader of hyuga and has shown far superior jutsu thus no reason to believe he don't have them just becoz he hasn't shown them
Hinata being unable to do kaiten despite being a main house hyuuga is why i was asking for proof Sakura can do what is claimed she can. You won't see anyone claim because lion fists which is an
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of cc means Hinata could do kaiten which only requires
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in the war arc when she didn't use it in situations that required it. Just like how Sakura can't do poison fog despite her cc.. something you yourself point out is at the pinnacle.
Poison Mist (Dokugiri)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Close to mid-range
User: Shizune
Becoming filled with deadly poison, a breath of certain death!!
Chakra is kneaded within the body and then changed into special chemical substances. It is then ejected through the mouth! When this substance comes in contact with the air outside the body, it instantly changes and is transformed into a mist of deadly poison…!! As this techniques combines ninjutsu, chemistry, and medical knowledge, using it requires fine chakra control and advanced ability in medical ninjutsu.
All this is btw though as you were questioning me about Hiashi so again man... enough about Hinata, reread the db and try to understand why Hiashi definitely has these techs even though it wasn't outright stated. I don't want to keep arguing..i unfortunately don't have the same stamina you have for it.
Hinata being unable to do kaiten despite being a main house hyuuga is why i was asking for proof Sakura can do what is claimed she can. You won't see anyone claim because lion fists which is an
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of cc means Hinata could do kaiten which only requires
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in the war arc when she didn't use it in situations that required it.
lmao can you comprehend man literally can you.Read the last panel[
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].The skill required for kaiten is something superior to jounins
yes an advanced form of chakra control does not means far greater chakra control than jounins when genins when even genin like naruto can learn rasengan thats pinnacle off cc or sasuke learning chidori thats also requires advanced chakra control since its boith shape manipulation and nature transformation.Many chars can apply shape transformation including genins like konohamaru doesn't make his skills superior to jounins
Hinata cannot use kaiten or she would have used it against juubi firing mokuton spikes like both neji and hiashi.On other hands sakura's case is totally different she has ces wan kicking from leg or lifting things are just application of it .She only needs to kick or lift
Just like how Sakura can't do poison fog despite her cc.. something you yourself point out is at the pinnacle.
Poison Mist (Dokugiri)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Close to mid-range
User: Shizune
Becoming filled with deadly poison, a breath of certain death!!
Chakra is kneaded within the body and then changed into special chemical substances. It is then ejected through the mouth! When this substance comes in contact with the air outside the body, it instantly changes and is transformed into a mist of deadly poison…!! As this techniques combines ninjutsu, chemistry, and medical knowledge, using it requires fine chakra control and advanced ability in medical ninjutsu.
Poison mist and Chakra enhanced strength have zero correlation lmao
Its shizune's jutsu and we don't know how much shizune taught that to sakura.on other hand tsunade's skill and jutsu sakura directly recieved in form of ces and yin seal.Next you are gioing to argue sakura cannot heal from susanoo blade stabbed in her like tsunade or enhance power of ohnoki's jinton
All this is btw though as you were questioning me about Hiashi so again man... enough about Hinata, reread the db and try to understand why Hiashi definitely has these techs even though it wasn't outright stated. I don't want to keep arguing..i unfortunately don't have the same stamina you have for it.
I am not quoestioning anything.Its just according to your logic he does not have those jutsu becoz he hasn't shown them
bold is funny considering you are doing is rinse and repeat an argument that you won't apply on hiashi
lmao can you comprehend man literally can you.Read the last panel[
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].The skill required for kaiten is something superior to jounins
yes an advanced form of chakra control does not means far greater chakra control than jounins when genins when even genin like naruto can learn rasengan thats pinnacle off cc or sasuke learning chidori thats also requires advanced chakra control since its boith shape manipulation and nature transformation.Many chars can apply shape transformation including genins like konohamaru doesn't make his skills superior to jounins
Hinata cannot use kaiten or she would have used it against juubi firing mokuton spikes like both neji and hiashi.On other hands sakura's case is totally different she has ces wan kicking from leg or lifting things are just application of it .She only needs to kick or lift
Poison mist and Chakra enhanced strength have zero correlation lmao
Its shizune's jutsu and we don't know how much shizune taught that to sakura.on other hand tsunade's skill and jutsu sakura directly recieved in form of ces and yin seal.Next you are gioing to argue sakura cannot heal from susanoo blade stabbed in her like tsunade or enhance power of ohnoki's jinton
I am not quoestioning anything.Its just according to your logic he does not have those jutsu becoz he hasn't shown them
bold is funny considering you are doing is rinse and repeat an argument that you won't apply on hiashi
DB repeats that Sakura caught up to Naruto and Sasuke (in the moment that Sakura states such in the manga). It's something along the lines, Sakura is a special case her level was hidden. However while Naruto and Sasuke were always running ahead of her she finally caught up to them.
Pushing forward through rigorous training. Eventually she blossomed or insert other flower nonsense to stand for becoming great here. She polished/improved/refines her strong arm and medical ninjutsu.
Sakura had the same chakra control and talent as Tsunade, and before long it blossomed. (So I guess her chakra control is >= to Tsunade's now lol).
Sakura's talent allowed her to inherit Tsunade's Kinjutsu (Byakugo, i'm assuming).
Stuff about helping her teammates or watching their back being her strong point, saving Sasuke from his darkness, meh, I kind of got board and skipped through this section (lol). Than skipped over the pairing page, if there's something interesting i'm sorry, but I just can't even.
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I think it says she received Shizune's techniques as Shizune also trained her like an older sister. I think it also says she surpass Shizune, but I'm really skimming now.
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Talks about the rules of being a medic and how the medic should naturally stay out of the front lines. Except when they have the Ninjutsu "Sousou Saisei Byakugou". Sakura adopted the Jutsu due to her incredible talent. The ability to surpass ones own self healing, and heal ones own wounds right on the spot, that's the power "Sousou Sisei Byakgou"
The weapon that Sakura has that the enemy should fear is her Herculean strength.
DB repeats that Sakura caught up to Naruto and Sasuke (in the moment that Sakura states such in the manga). It's something along the lines, Sakura is a special case her level was hidden. However while Naruto and Sasuke were always running ahead of her she finally caught up to them.
Pushing forward through rigorous training. Eventually she blossomed or insert other flower nonsense to stand for becoming great here. She polished/improved/refines her strong arm and medical ninjutsu.
Sakura had the same chakra control and talent as Tsunade, and before long it blossomed. (So I guess her chakra control is >= to Tsunade's now lol).
Sakura's talent allowed her to inherit Tsunade's Kinjutsu (Byakugo, i'm assuming).
Stuff about helping her teammates or watching their back being her strong point, saving Sasuke from his darkness, meh, I kind of got board and skipped through this section (lol). Than skipped over the pairing page, if there's something interesting i'm sorry, but I just can't even.
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I think it says she received Shizune's techniques as Shizune also trained her like an older sister. I think it also says she surpass Shizune, but I'm really skimming now.
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Talks about the rules of being a medic and how the medic should naturally stay out of the front lines. Except when they have the Ninjutsu "Sousou Saisei Byakugou". Sakura adopted the Jutsu due to her incredible talent. The ability to surpass ones own self healing, and heal ones own wounds right on the spot, that's the power "Sousou Sisei Byakgou"
The weapon that Sakura has that the enemy should fear is her Herculean strength.
