[VS] Hinata Vs Saukra

[Made in Heaven]

The bold is irrelevant. The minimum requirement for 64 palms when it comes to speed are PTS CE Neji, which is not on par w/ Byakugo Sakura, and Byakugan is an enhancement. Having it alone doesn't mean Sakura won't hit Hinata. That's like saying PTS Sasuke dodges every attack Sakura can land solely because he has the Sharingan.

Then we have the fact that 64 palms is an attack. Not a thing to do with reacting to attacks.

Sakura, after adapting to Sasori's fighting style, is fast enough to evade his attacks as stated by Chiyo. That alone is better feat than what Hinata has managed.

Obviously, Neji pulled it off, but that doesn't mean Hinata's version uses the same speed.

Hinata's taijutsu was already 3.5 w/o 64 Palms. Neji w/ 64 Palms got a 3.5 as well in the first databook. This means her's is likely faster, just as any jutsus speed will increase with the user's skill, like the speed of FTG between Minato and Tobirama.

Okay. I don't see why you are saying this when you already admitted Hinata can react to Sakura's attacks.

Being able to adapt to one fighting style doesn't guarantee being able to adapt to another. There's also the fact that she was only able to adapt due to even living that long thanks to chiyo's prior help, so there's no garuntee she can last long enough to do so before getting her points closed. Plues, iirc, she still failed to dodge a couple of attacks even then, so adapting doesn't garuntee knowing what the opponent will do, unlike Byakugan.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Molding chakra is turning stamina to chakra. So yes, you need to mold chakra. Regardless, all this doesn't even matter because Sakura doesn't need a direct hit.

This attack isn´t just chakra absorbation its has abilities of regular Jyuuken attacks as said in databook:

"A secret high-level Gentle Fist technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyūga Clan. By changing the shape of Chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. "

It increases destructive power. Also in Last Hinata was using this to destroy Tenseigan vessel which proves it can be used as regular gentle fist attack but with greater power.

 

[BLAZE]

What separates Ninjutsu from untouched chakra is that one has been molded and released from the body while the other isn't. CES follows the same exact principle. Then we have the fact that CES releases the chakra on impact, thus Hinata will take the damage regardless.

yeah actually you are right here and on previous statement too.Her chakra enhanced strength is ninjutsu while kicks and punches that are its derivative are taijutsu

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"contrary to how it looks its ninjutsu that requires precise chakra control"

 

[shelke]

yeah actually you are right here and on previous statement too.Her chakra enhanced strength is ninjutsu while kicks and punches that are its derivative are taijutsu

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"contrary to how it looks its ninjutsu that requires precise chakra control"

Erm, they too would be derivations of the same medical Ninjutsu as they do way more damage than they should. At best, what she uses is Nin-Taijutsu, like Ae.

P.s: CES doesn't release chakra upon impact. It's already there, concentrated into the fist to make the punch more powerful.

 

[BLAZE]

Erm, they too would be derivations of the same medical Ninjutsu as they do way more damage than they should. At best, what she uses is Nin-Taijutsu, like Ae.

yeah the said jutsu will be taijutsu but fighting style would be nintaijutsu added the fact they use creation rebirth a ninjutsu in fight

P.s: CES doesn't release chakra upon impact. It's already there, concentrated into the fist to make the punch more powerful.

yeah i know that.chakra being released was faulty translation
Most likely its converted into strength seeing Tsunade lifting Bunta's blade was credited to ces

 

[KidGamer65]

This attack isn´t just chakra absorbation its has abilities of regular Jyuuken attacks as said in databook:

"A secret high-level Gentle Fist technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyūga Clan. By changing the shape of Chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. "

It increases destructive power. Also in Last Hinata was using this to destroy Tenseigan vessel which proves it can be used as regular gentle fist attack but with greater power.

So? Gentle Fist doesn't do anything significant to Sakura when she can auto regen. Not to mention Hinata needed Naruto's help to destroy the energy vessel. A very important fact you decided to leave out.

Obviously, Neji pulled it off, but that doesn't mean Hinata's version uses the same speed.

Hinata's taijutsu was already 3.5 w/o 64 Palms. Neji w/ 64 Palms got a 3.5 as well in the first databook. This means her's is likely faster, just as any jutsus speed will increase with the user's skill, like the speed of FTG between Minato and Tobirama.

Okay. I don't see why you are saying this when you already admitted Hinata can react to Sakura's attacks.

Being able to adapt to one fighting style doesn't guarantee being able to adapt to another. There's also the fact that she was only able to adapt due to even living that long thanks to chiyo's prior help, so there's no garuntee she can last long enough to do so before getting her points closed. Plues, iirc, she still failed to dodge a couple of attacks even then, so adapting doesn't garuntee knowing what the opponent will do, unlike Byakugan.

Then mentioning her being able to use it as proof of her speed proves nothing as Neji was able to do so by the Chuunin Exam.

Lmao being able to react to attacks doesn't mean you dodge each and every one. Not hard to understand.

Irrelevant. The reason she was able to do so is speed. Adaption is useless if you are too slow. Hinata's fighting style is irrelevant as no one said based on her adapting to Sasori she'll adapt to Hinata's style. What's even funnier about this is that Sasori's attacks are far more widespread and faster than Hinata's own.

You haven't even provided any real feats. You keep going on about Byakugan and 64 palms as if those will replace actual speed and combat feats. :lol

 

[l Forgotten l]

I've read through 6 pages and you guys have done nothing but run in circles with this.

 

[Jinrou]

Sakura, after adapting to Sasori's fighting style, is fast enough to evade his attacks as stated by Chiyo. That alone is better feat than what Hinata has managed.

I need understanding on how reaction works. What Chiyo was referring to was Sasori's iron sand drizzle. The db even hypes it as being very fast. Sakura could avoid those but was barely able to avoid the Juubi spikes from perhaps 5x the distance of the sand drizzle..Hinata meanwhile could single out spikes and use air palm on them... Only when the arm closes the distance does Hinata even consider the spikes fast and even then she could evade them considering her movements to shield Naruto

Fast-forward and Sakura reacts to and initially evades Kaguya's Juubi arm. The only difference from prior is she has the yin seal that wasn't augmenting her in any way at the time. Shouldn't we chalk her doing that to distance? Or does having more of your normal chakra improve one's reactions?

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

So? Gentle Fist doesn't do anything significant to Sakura when she can auto regen. Not to mention Hinata needed Naruto's help to destroy the energy vessel. A very important fact you decided to leave out.



Then mentioning her being able to use it as proof of her speed proves nothing as Neji was able to do so by the Chuunin Exam.

Lmao being able to react to attacks doesn't mean you dodge each and every one. Not hard to understand.

Irrelevant. The reason she was able to do so is speed. Adaption is useless if you are too slow. Hinata's fighting style is irrelevant as no one said based on her adapting to Sasori she'll adapt to Hinata's style. What's even funnier about this is that Sasori's attacks are far more widespread and faster than Hinata's own.

You haven't even provided any real feats. You keep going on about Byakugan and 64 palms as if those will replace actual speed and combat feats. :lol

Yes it does it causes damage to her and absorbs chakra too.

By causing damage she wastes even more chakra in order to heal herself and add the fact her chakra will already be drained.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Then mentioning her being able to use it as proof of her speed proves nothing as Neji was able to do so by the Chuunin Exam.

Lmao being able to react to attacks doesn't mean you dodge each and every one. Not hard to understand.

Irrelevant. The reason she was able to do so is speed. Adaption is useless if you are too slow. Hinata's fighting style is irrelevant as no one said based on her adapting to Sasori she'll adapt to Hinata's style. What's even funnier about this is that Sasori's attacks are far more widespread and faster than Hinata's own.

You haven't even provided any real feats. You keep going on about Byakugan and 64 palms as if those will replace actual speed and combat feats. :lol

Neji and Hinata using same technique doesn't mean it has the same speed. Hinata's is likely faster since her taijutsu was equal to Neji's who had 64 Palms before she even had 64 Palms. And of course Hinata used it on a Juubi Clone, which is superior to CE base Naruto.

Never said so, but dodge one, and strike with a counter to a chakra point and you're set.

What was Chiyo referring to in this? Also I already said Sakura is faster.

Hinata has 64 Palms and Byakugan. Those are her feats, along with a few others, like her taijutsu in The Last.

 

[BLAZE]

So? Gentle Fist doesn't do anything significant to Sakura when she can auto regen. Not to mention Hinata needed Naruto's help to destroy the energy vessel. A very important fact you decided to leave out.

he is saying since TLF user can sap chakra that makes sakura's punch and regenration totally useless :lol completely ignoring zetsu had same ability got shitted on by gentle fist;one body blow and ces lol

 

[KidGamer65]

I need understanding on how reaction works. What Chiyo was referring to was Sasori's iron sand drizzle. The db even hypes it as being very fast. Sakura could avoid those but was barely able to avoid the Juubi spikes from perhaps 5x the distance of the sand drizzle..Hinata meanwhile could single out spikes and use air palm on them... Only when the arm closes the distance does Hinata even consider the spikes fast and even then she could evade them considering her movements to shield Naruto

Fast-forward and Sakura reacts to and initially evades Kaguya's Juubi arm. The only difference from prior is she has the yin seal that wasn't augmenting her in any way at the time. Shouldn't we chalk her doing that to distance? Or does having more of your normal chakra improve one's reactions?

Yes it does it causes damage to her and absorbs chakra too.

By causing damage she wastes even more chakra in order to heal herself and add the fact her chakra will already be drained.

Who cares? She can regen from worse. None of that matters when Hinata won't survive a fight w/ her long enough to drain all her chakra.

Idk why I'm repeating stuff from my first post anyway when you can just go address that instead. :lol

Neji and Hinata using same technique doesn't mean it has the same speed. Hinata's is likely faster since her taijutsu was equal to Neji's who had 64 Palms before she even had 64 Palms. And of course Hinata used it on a Juubi Clone, which is superior to CE base Naruto.

Never said so, but dodge one, and strike with a counter to a chakra point and you're set.

What was Chiyo referring to in this? Also I already said Sakura is faster.

Hinata has 64 Palms and Byakugan. Those are her feats, along with a few others, like her taijutsu in The Last.

I never said it has the same speed. I already know that Hinata is superior. You claimed that Hinata is fast because she mastered 64 palms. However that means nothing because Neji mastered it as well. Thus you need something else to support your argument.

That's unrelated to simply being able to react. Idk why people arguing for Hyuga combatants love to jump from "well, X can react so X will not only dodge but counter their opponent without said opponent retaliating".

Those aren't speed feats. :lol Having Byakugan is not a speed feat.

he is saying since TLF user can sap chakra that makes sakura's punch and regenration totally useless :lol completely ignoring zetsu had same ability got shitted on by gentle fist;one body blow and ces lol

Then he needs to stop because that makes zero sense. :lol The rate at which it saps chakra is unknown as well.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

So when Hinata combined Soshiken and 64 palms, did she drain her opponents' chakra or seal off their tenketsus?

 

[FemmeFatale]

The shade is that Sakura doesn't even have to move to end this battle

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[Tauren Chieftain]

Who cares? She can regen from worse. None of that matters when Hinata won't survive a fight w/ her long enough to drain all her chakra.

Idk why I'm repeating stuff from my first post anyway when you can just go address that instead. :lol



I never said it has the same speed. I already know that Hinata is superior. You claimed that Hinata is fast because she mastered 64 palms. However that means nothing because Neji mastered it as well. Thus you need something else to support your argument.

That's unrelated to simply being able to react. Idk why people arguing for Hyuga combatants love to jump from "well, X can react so X will not only dodge but counter their opponent without said opponent retaliating".

Those aren't speed feats. :lol Having Byakugan is not a speed feat.



Then he needs to stop because that makes zero sense. :lol The rate at which it saps chakra is unknown as well.

I dont know how much chakra lion fist can drain nor do I know Sakura´s Byakugou reserves.

BTW Can Twin lion fist drain chakra from her Byakugou seal ( even if Byakugou isn´t opened by user) if it hits her head ?

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

So when Hinata combined Soshiken and 64 palms, did she drain her opponents' chakra or seal off their tenketsus?

well if both are connected it should do both.

BTW when she did those ?

 

[HyuugaHeir]

well if both are connected it should do both.

BTW when she did those ?

After finally doing 64 palms, she declared to continue spamming 64 palm with soshiken chapter 633 i think...
So she drains and she seals. MINDBLOWN

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

he is saying since TLF user can sap chakra that makes sakura's punch and regenration totally useless :lol completely ignoring zetsu had same ability got shitted on by gentle fist;one body blow and ces lol

CES isnt explained properly by Kishi thats why so many arguing over that stuff.

I am not saying that I dont know how much chakra Sakura has and how much TLF can drain.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

After finally doing 64 palms, she declared to continue spamming 64 palm with soshiken chapter 634 i think...
So she drains and she seals. MINDBLOWN

Oh against Juubi clone I remember. She closed his chakra points and use Twin lion fist to destroy it because it can still be used for destruction purpose like normal Jyuuken not only for draining chakra.

 

[FemmeFatale]

I doubt gentle fist can even effect a perfect chakra control user , Sakura was able to self heal stopping her blood flow while impale with a sword, in a spot that was impossible to heal. Tsunade need to same while bisected , surely her chakra points we here not only damaged but severed