[VS] Hinata Vs Saukra

[Hammock]

Speed is a requirement. 64 Palms is called a high speed combo move in the databook which relies on nothing but the users own speed/reflexes/movements to execute properly. And Hinata is said to have mastered it.

Talking about taijutsu only, not using the ground. Otherwise, agree.

Agree. But even with the speed advantage, her running is linear so Hinata would be able to see and react thanks to Byakugan's reading and foreseeing movements. Like Sasuke did with Bee, who also ran in linear manners.

Agree.

Exactly why sakura can't land a hit on her therefore hinata would be just fighting off her chakra and sakura would be defending with katsuya and byakugou. and then when both of them run of chakra it endsup in tie like naruto vs sasuke (last battle)

 

[KidGamer65]

Speed is a requirement. 64 Palms is called a high speed combo move in the databook which relies on nothing but the users own speed/reflexes/movements to execute properly. And Hinata is said to have mastered it.

Talking about taijutsu only, not using the ground. Otherwise, agree.

Agree. But even with the speed advantage, her running is linear so Hinata would be able to see and react thanks to Byakugan's reading and foreseeing movements. Like Sasuke did with Bee, who also ran in linear manners.

Agree.

Then this goes right back to my previous point, it's an enhancement that proves she is "fast", but being capable of using it doesn't make her faster than Sakura or even comparable. Even Neji during the Chunnin Exam is capable of using 64 palms and he's not faster than Sakura post Yin Seal.

Running isn't a major part of close combat. Sakura doesn't just run faster, she reacts faster and that's the important part of speed in this context. But yeah, Hinata can react to Sakura, she shouldn't have any trouble whatsoever in that regard. Doesn't really help her in the long run tho since being able to react doesn't mean you'll win or pressure your opponent.

Exactly why sakura can't land a hit on her therefore hinata would be just fighting off her chakra and sakura would be defending with katsuya and byakugou. and then when both of them run of chakra it endsup in tie like naruto vs sasuke (last battle)

That doesn't make sense. Sakura is faster than Hinata when it comes to reaction speed and running speed and her area of effect is large. There's no basis for Hinata being capable of dodging everything and anything Sakura pulls.

 

[KidGamer65]

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though. Everything before those 2 scans consist of them either squaring off or parrying each other.

Hinata says "from the beginning" meaning Neji was closing her points from the beginning and that's why there are 5 spots on her arm. That's also why no damage was done when they both hit each other.

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That's also why Naruto says "her attacks have been landing perfectly" as a response to Neji not taking damage. It's because he closed those points. And again, there are 5 spots. Thus he hit her 5 times whether it was explicitly shown or not.

nowadays with each post this dude is violating logic.
what will jyuuken do hurt her inside thats mostly liquid or close chakra points which would be far larger and so many to count considering its more than 100 times larger than base naruto

I highly suggest you stop engaging that troll alt in any discussion. :lol It'll save you some brain cells bro.

 

[Hammock]

Then this goes right back to my previous point, it's an enhancement that proves she is "fast", but being capable of using it doesn't make her faster than Sakura or even comparable. Even Neji during the Chunnin Exam is capable of using 64 palms and he's not faster than Sakura post Yin Seal.

Running isn't a major part of close combat. Sakura doesn't just run faster, she reacts faster and that's the important part of speed in this context. But yeah, Hinata can react to Sakura, she shouldn't have any trouble whatsoever in that regard. Doesn't really help her in the long run tho since being able to react doesn't mean you'll win or pressure your opponent.



That doesn't make sense. Sakura is faster than Hinata when it comes to reaction speed and running speed and her area of effect is large. There's no basis for Hinata being capable of dodging everything and anything Sakura pulls.

If sakura tried to indirectly hinata would take advantage of it by air technique so pretty sure she wouldnt do that plus they both excel at close range combat so its unlikely for a long range battle

 

[KidGamer65]

If sakura tried to indirectly hinata would take advantage of it by air technique so pretty sure she wouldnt do that plus they both excel at close range combat so its unlikely for a long range battle

What air technique? If you are talking about air palm don't bother because Sakura doesn't need to jump to do large damage to the ground.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Then this goes right back to my previous point, it's an enhancement that proves she is "fast", but being capable of using it doesn't make her faster than Sakura or even comparable. Even Neji during the Chunnin Exam is capable of using 64 palms and he's not faster than Sakura post Yin Seal.

Running isn't a major part of close combat. Sakura doesn't just run faster, she reacts faster and that's the important part of speed in this context. But yeah, Hinata can react to Sakura, she shouldn't have any trouble whatsoever in that regard. Doesn't really help her in the long run tho since being able to react doesn't mean you'll win or pressure your opponent.

I was never saying she can run faster, just that her striking speed is faster.

What are Sakura's reaction feats in CQC for you to say her reflexes are superior to a Byakugan user who mastered 64 Palms?

Being able to react doesn't guarantee a win, yes, but it means Sakura's punches won't land on Hinata because of those reflexes and Byakugan.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Sakura kills her with mid diff at the very worst. One giant punch and it's GG. Gentle Fist as an offensive is useless in every sense apart from the ability to close chakra points, and in order to do so you need to be able to jab said chakra points, and enough of them, in order to render their chakra flow useless. That's why Hinata's chakra flow wasn't shut down every single time Neji hit her w/ Gentle Fist. If Hinata ever puts herself in the position where she'd hit Sakura, Byakugo lets her eat the strike and then she retaliates turning Hinata into a fine pinkish or reddish goo. :lol Her Twin Lion's Fists are useless as well. They drain chakra, but unless she can drain all of Sakura's chakra in their exchange before Sakura smacks the shit out of her it's pointless. What's more is that they drain chakra from the body just like Mokuryu, but Mokuryu doesn't absorb Ninjutsu unless it's some sort of solid chakra Avatar. So clashing it w/ Sakura's punch does nothing but get her killed.

Oh yeah, and to shut down the enemy's chakra flow you need to close at least 64 of their Tenketsu as shown during Naruto vs. Neji. Hinata doesn't have the capability to engage Sakura, jab her 64 times and do so without Sakura retaliating or outright dodging.

-Neither have any extraordinary speed feats, but Sakura's stand out far more than Hinata's. Not debatable. So from what has been shown Sakura has the overwhelming advantage in speed. (And no, being able to use techs that Neji used doesn't make her as fast as he is)
-Hinata is more skilled in the art of Taijutsu, but not by much based on their DB stats.
-Hinata needs multiple hits to win, Sakura needs one hit and it doesn't need to be direct.
-Katsuyu just makes it a low-mid diff.
-Hinata's offense outside of blocking her chakra is utterly useless as she can heal from it with ease.

This match was debatable in Hinata's favor when we were still at the beginning of Part 2 to Pain Arc. Not anymore though. It could become debatable again if Hinata post Manga is given the chance to show new feats, but for now? Nah.

Bold :

CES is not ninjutsu is taijutsu attack. Chakra isn´t transformed into anything its simply concentrated into fist (or other body part) as explained in databook.

Where chakra is concentrated doesn´t matter in this case lion fist would absorb it.

 

[Hammock]

but it means Sakura's punches won't land on Hinata because of those reflexes and Byakugan.

What exactly i am saying ^

 

[BLAZE]

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doesn't that mean he at least closed 10 chakra points taking both hands in account since kakashi explicitly stated she has lost ability to perform jyuuken[

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I highly suggest you stop engaging that troll alt in any discussion. :lol It'll save you some brain cells bro.

seeing his last post i can see why :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

I was never saying she can run faster, just that her striking speed is faster.

What are Sakura's reaction feats in CQC for you to say her reflexes are superior to a Byakugan user who mastered 64 Palms?

Being able to react doesn't guarantee a win, yes, but it means Sakura's punches won't land on Hinata because of those reflexes and Byakugan.

The bold is irrelevant. The minimum requirement for 64 palms when it comes to speed are PTS CE Neji, which is not on par w/ Byakugo Sakura, and Byakugan is an enhancement. Having it alone doesn't mean Sakura won't hit Hinata. That's like saying PTS Sasuke dodges every attack Sakura can land solely because he has the Sharingan.

Then we have the fact that 64 palms is an attack. Not a thing to do with reacting to attacks.

Sakura, after adapting to Sasori's fighting style, is fast enough to evade his attacks as stated by Chiyo. That alone is better feat than what Hinata has managed.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

nowadays with each post this dude is violating logic.
what will jyuuken do hurt her inside thats mostly liquid or close chakra points which would be far larger and so many to count considering its more than 100 times larger than base naruto

It doesn´t need to close any chakra points you are forgeting that one precise Jyuuken into vital spot is enough.

Same fate Katsuyu will have (unless she doesn´t have organs)

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[KidGamer65]

Bold :

CES is not ninjutsu is taijutsu attack. Chakra isn´t transformed into anything its simply concentrated into fist (or other body part) as explained in databook.

Where chakra is concentrated doesn´t matter in this case lion fist would absorb it.

What separates Ninjutsu from untouched chakra is that one has been molded and released from the body while the other isn't. CES follows the same exact principle. Then we have the fact that CES releases the chakra on impact, thus Hinata will take the damage regardless.

doesn't that mean he at least closed 10 chakra points taking both hands in account since kakashi explicitly stated she has lost ability to perform jyuuken[

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seeing his last post i can see why :lol

Yup. 5 on each arm.

 

[Jinrou]

Hinata says "from the beginning" meaning Neji was closing her points from the beginning and that's why there are 5 spots on her arm. That's also why no damage was done when they both hit each other.

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That's also why Naruto says "her attacks have been landing perfectly" as a response to Neji not taking damage. It's because he closed those points. And again, there are 5 spots. Thus he hit her 5 times whether it was explicitly shown or not.

Neji winces though when Hinata scratches him with the fist and Naruto doesn't say that according to viz. 5 spots true...but we explicitly see when Neji interacts with that arm and it was twice. Its similar to the blindspot scenario where no Kunai actually hits Neji's blindspot directly.

 

[shelke]

Neji attacked several of Hinata's chakra points. Nothing happened. I can't believe this has gone off till five pages. This ***** has no feats. Stop hyping her. Stop!

Early Shippuden Sakura absolutely murders her. She doesn't require any summon or Byakugou seal for her. Quit it, Hinata wankers. Just quit it already!

 

[KidGamer65]

Neji winces though when Hinata scratches him with the fist and Naruto doesn't say that according to viz. 5 spots true...but we explicitly see when Neji interacts with that arm and it was twice. Its similar to the blindspot scenario where no Kunai actually hits Neji's blindspot directly.

He winced at the very beginning. Long before all this took place, and what did he say in the VIZ?

What we were shown doesn't disprove what was clearly shown to happen. We saw him hit her twice, but the scan obviously shows 5 spots on her hand. So unless those spots appeared their by themselves it's clear that Neji hit her 3 extra times and we just were not shown.

Idk how this is similar to what you are speaking of.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

What separates Ninjutsu from untouched chakra is that one has been molded and released from the body while the other isn't. CES follows the same exact principle. Then we have the fact that CES releases the chakra on impact, thus Hinata will take the damage regardless.



Yup. 5 on each arm.

What you said is true but Databook explanation doesn´t mention anything about molding its simply gathers and release chakra.

 

[shelke]

Databook stats are being used. Amazing.

 

[Jinrou]

He winced at the very beginning. Long before all this took place, and what did he say in the VIZ?

What we were shown doesn't disprove what was clearly shown to happen. We saw him hit her twice, but the scan obviously shows 5 spots on her hand. So unless those spots appeared their by themselves it's clear that Neji hit her 3 extra times and we just were not shown.

Idk how this is similar to what you are speaking of.

But you said Hinata saying since the beginning means he closed them off from the beginning :lol But you're right btw. The hits i'm looking at happened on two different arms so yeah multiple invisible jabs.

 

[KidGamer65]

What you said is true but Databook explanation doesn´t mention anything about molding its simply gathers and release chakra.

Molding chakra is turning stamina to chakra. So yes, you need to mold chakra. Regardless, all this doesn't even matter because Sakura doesn't need a direct hit.

 

[BLAZE]

It doesn´t need to close any chakra points you are forgeting that one precise Jyuuken into vital spot is enough.

Same fate Katsuyu will have (unless she doesn´t have organs)

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so how dumb can u be.duid u even read next page or previous page

kidomaru states he found a way to beat neji [

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He winced at the very beginning. Long before all this took place, and what did he say in the VIZ?

both hinata and neji agreed that her attacks from start were totally ineffective [

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