[VS] Hinata Vs Saukra

[KidGamer65]

The other two are though. By a good margin too.

Yes, they show that Hinata got more skilled. Not that the gap between her and Sakura in skill also increased. Thus it does not help any pro Hinata argument.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yes, they show that Hinata got more skilled. Not that the gap between her and Sakura in skill also increased. Thus it does not help any pro Hinata argument.

Hinata got more skilled in taijutsu, but it doesnt widen the gap of their skills in taijutsu?

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hinata got more skilled in taijutsu, but it doesnt widen the gap of their skills in taijutsu?

No because Sakura also improved a lot since the 3rd databook

 

[Made in Heaven]

No because Sakura also improved a lot since the 3rd databook

I know, but in taijutsu?

 

[BLAZE]

a fight does not mean taijutsu fight how hard is that to comprehend.Gap does not mean gap in taijutsu

 

[KidGamer65]

Hinata got more skilled in taijutsu, but it doesnt widen the gap of their skills in taijutsu?

You aren't taking into account what training Sakura has done from the beginning of Part 2 to now. What is so hard to understand about this concept? You could go on about this all day but a simple "Hinata got more skilled" doesn't help prove that she beats Sakura. Especially since skill is only one facet of what makes up a person's prowess in close combat.

 

[TheEvilOne]

I know, but in taijutsu?

Well we know for sure her speed increased, not sure about taijutsu though, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter here. Slightly superior taijutsu is not saving Hinata.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You aren't taking into account what training Sakura has done from the beginning of Part 2 to now. What is so hard to understand about this concept? You could go on about this all day but a simple "Hinata got more skilled" doesn't help prove that she beats Sakura. Especially since skill is only one facet of what makes up a person's prowess in close combat.

All I am arguing is that she's better in CQC.

What are the others?

Well we know for sure her speed increased, not sure about taijutsu though, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter here. Slightly superior taijutsu is not saving Hinata.

It isn't slightly imo when 64 Palms requires a lot of precision, speed, reflexes, and fluid/fast movements to pull off right. Her Last feats are also very good I think.

Speed isn't troublesome for Dojutsu, especially linear movements like what Sakura showed when running away from Kaguya.

 

[KidGamer65]

All I am arguing is that she's better in CQC.

What are the others?

CQC is more than skill, so being more skilled doesn't prove she's better. Neji and Base Gai are more "skilled" than War RSM Naruto yet Naruto would rape them in close combat. This is what factors into close combat ability:

-Speed (how fast you move and react and evasion capability and all that stuff)
-Strength
-Skill
-Range of attacks, more range=better
-Durability/Resilience
-Ninjutsu (those that work in CQC)

Hinata is inferior by a large amount in every area except for skill, where she has the advantage. And that's just based on Base Sakura's capabilities. Byakugo increases the user's power overall as stated by the DB, and we've seen Sakura get faster and stronger from simply finishing the seal let alone actually releasing it.

 

[Made in Heaven]

CQC is more than skill, so being more skilled doesn't prove she's better. Neji and Base Gai are more "skilled" than War RSM Naruto yet Naruto would rape them in close combat. This is what factors into close combat ability:

-Speed (how fast you move and react and evasion capability and all that stuff)
-Strength
-Skill
-Range of attacks, more range=better
-Durability/Resilience
-Ninjutsu (those that work in CQC)

Hinata is inferior by a large amount in every area except for skill, where she has the advantage. And that's just based on Base Sakura's capabilities. Byakugo increases the user's power overall as stated by the DB, and we've seen Sakura get faster and stronger from simply finishing the seal let alone actually releasing it.

Hinata's speed in CQC is good since she can use 64 Palms properly.
Range is also in Hinata's favor (TLF).
Air Palm is sort of like Ninjutsu in CQC.
Other agree (strength and durability).

Yin Seal doesn't improve stats outside of phsyical strength I think. I mean, Tsunade a Sannin was losing to Kabuto with that alleged speed boost? Sakura's speed feats apply to base as well.

 

[FemmeFatale]

WIth the Haruma chakra, Sakura wins low dif.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hinata's speed in CQC is good since she can use 64 Palms properly.
Range is also in Hinata's favor (TLF).
Air Palm is sort of like Ninjutsu in CQC.
Other agree (strength and durability).

Yin Seal doesn't improve stats outside of phsyical strength I think. I mean, Tsunade a Sannin was losing to Kabuto with that alleged speed boost? Sakura's speed feats apply to base as well.

Good doesn't mean better than Sakura's speed. Sakura's feats blow hers out of the water. Being able to use 64 palms doesn't make you fast because you don't need to be fast to use it properly. Speed was never stated to be a requirement.

Twin Lions Fist does not have more range than punches that span over 20-25m in diameter once they make contact with the ground. Tsunade, on par w/ Sakura, was making 3-5 meter long trenches just with a finger.

Sakura's speed was outright shown to be better once she opened the seal. Her punch is on par w/ someone who can destroy v1 Susanoo yet she was able to match the speed of the juubi clone sent flying by said punch. Regardless, her speed feats against Kaguya, the juubi clone and Sasori from the beginning of Part 2 are better than what Hinata has shown.

Tsunade was rusty against Kabuto, and Kabuto was enhancing himself w/ soldier pills. He feats against Madara obviously blow that performance out of the water.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hinata's speed in CQC is good since she can use 64 Palms properly.
Range is also in Hinata's favor (TLF).
Air Palm is sort of like Ninjutsu in CQC.
Other agree (strength and durability).

Yin Seal doesn't improve stats outside of phsyical strength I think. I mean, Tsunade a Sannin was losing to Kabuto with that alleged speed boost? Sakura's speed feats apply to base as well.

1. She would never have a chance to use that against someone who can create a crater with her heel. And as far as I know that technique won't increase her foot speed
2. Not sure if

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3. Air palm is useless. Can be predicted or tanked by someone on Sakura's level

We both know Tsunade was handicapped in that fight and Kabuto was using pills to boost his abilities.

 

[Jinrou]

I know, which is exactly my point. You need jabs to close chakra points. If simply channeling chakra closed points her points would've been closed irregardless of Neji's intent.

>Jabbing the points closes them.
>Touching and injecting chakra through the body damages internal organs.
>Thus Hinata would need multiple jabs to shut down her points.

Multiple? Like how many times do you think because i recall Neji poking that hand twice in different places to shut down the arm?

> chakra flows back to the body and forcefully opens closed chakra points. They work exactly the same way. Not to mention the fact that Sakura can open the seal without forming any handseal.

Not the same...One has a crack the other doesn't. And also how sure are you normal chakra can reopen points considering Hinata couldn't reopen hers despite having only her arms shut? I mean she would have tried channeling chakra into her arms right?

 

[KidGamer65]

Multiple? Like how many times do you think because i recall Neji poking that hand twice in different places to shut down the arm?



Not the same...One has a crack the other doesn't. And also how sure are you normal chakra can reopen points considering Hinata couldn't reopen hers despite having only her arms shut? I mean she would have tried channeling chakra into her arms right?

He hit her in the arm more than once.

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At least 5.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Katsuyu durability means nothing in front of Jyuuken . Also Byakugan will allow Hinata to see when that acid is coming out.

Sakura needs to jump high in the air to make that giant destruction.Once she is in the air vacuum palm hits her.

Hinata actually has ranged jutsu unlike Sakura, vacuum palm which Sakura is not going to see or dodge in CQC because someone faster as Kisame failed.

Twin Lion fist end the battle it greatly increases Hinata range and it drains chakra from opponent.Hinata wont have problem in CQC.

Sakura normal chakra reserves are pretty small based on feats and databook stats. With Byakugou its different.Twin lion fist drains all her chakra.

With Hamura chakra from the Last its stomp for Hinata.

 

[Made in Heaven]

1. She would never have a chance to use that against someone who can create a crater with her heel. And as far as I know that technique won't increase her foot speed
2. Not sure if

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3. Air palm is useless. Can be predicted or tanked by someone on Sakura's level

We both know Tsunade was handicapped in that fight and Kabuto was using pills to boost his abilities.

I never said it increases anything. I am saying her mastering 64 Palms is a strong testament to her speed, reflexes, movement, and precision in taijutsu.

I was talking about in straight up taijutsu only.

Doubt it can be predicted when it is invisible and notably fast. Hinata has the better predictive abilities anyways thanks to Byakugan's foresight, so she can "out predict" Sakura.

As for tanking, if Hinata can infuse her Air Palm with Rikudo Chakra, which should be possible since she did so with the far more advanced and complex Twin Lion Fists, it would add enough power to replicate her feat against the Juubi's hand, since both the Chakra quality and Chakra quantity is superior. And Sakura can't tank blunt force like that even with Yin Seal since Yin Seal relates to speeding up cell regeneration, which has no relevance to tanking blunt force. So she gets knocked out.

 

[Jinrou]

He hit her in the arm more than once.

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At least 5.

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though. Everything before those 2 scans consist of them either squaring off or parrying each other.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Good doesn't mean better than Sakura's speed. Sakura's feats blow hers out of the water. Being able to use 64 palms doesn't make you fast because you don't need to be fast to use it properly. Speed was never stated to be a requirement.

Twin Lions Fist does not have more range than punches that span over 20-25m in diameter once they make contact with the ground. Tsunade, on par w/ Sakura, was making 3-5 meter long trenches just with a finger.

Sakura's speed was outright shown to be better once she opened the seal. Her punch is on par w/ someone who can destroy v1 Susanoo yet she was able to match the speed of the juubi clone sent flying by said punch. Regardless, her speed feats against Kaguya, the juubi clone and Sasori from the beginning of Part 2 are better than what Hinata has shown.

Tsunade was rusty against Kabuto, and Kabuto was enhancing himself w/ soldier pills. He feats against Madara obviously blow that performance out of the water.

Speed is a requirement. 64 Palms is called a high speed combo move in the databook which relies on nothing but the users own speed/reflexes/movements to execute properly. And Hinata is said to have mastered it.

Talking about taijutsu only, not using the ground. Otherwise, agree.

Agree. But even with the speed advantage, her running is linear so Hinata would be able to see and react thanks to Byakugan's reading and foreseeing movements. Like Sasuke did with Bee, who also ran in linear manners.

Agree.

 

[BLAZE]

Katsuyu durability means nothing in front of Jyuuken .

nowadays with each post this dude is violating logic.
what will jyuuken do hurt her inside thats mostly liquid or close chakra points which would be far larger and so many to count considering its more than 100 times larger than base naruto