Hagoromo didn't share any of his chakra with Ashura

[Scryed]

You're wrong.

The Juubi is merely Kaguya. Indra's Sharingan is a result of the chakra fruit from the tree. What Asura's bodily powers entail is simply extremely high chakra and stamina. Stop making things up to suit your arguments. The scans show that Hagoromo gave his power to Asura only the first time, and then decided to give it to Indra the second time.

If the Six Path's Senjutsu was his Kekkei Genkai, the Senju would have inherited it but they only inherited his bodily powers. You know it to be true. Stop revising it.

I don't see how Kaguya being the Juubi would discredit what he just said..



OP: I disagree
When Hagoromo said that, he was using it as a comparison to the power he literally gave Naruto and Sasuke. Just giving Ashura power doesn't have to mean that he have everything he had to Ashura. It could simply mean that he gave Ashura some of his power (could be RSM) while not giving Indra anything at all.

The other scans you posted don't exactly have to contradict that. Since he was referring to actual power when he said that, the conclusion I draw in this would be that at some point he reached Indra's power on his own as Hagoromo also stated. In which case, Indra was a prodigy so he would've been able to improve on his own. Especially if Ashura, who was inferior, caught up to him. Once he was on the top again, Ashura received power from Hagoromo and once again reached Indra.

This is the only conclusion I could draw so far but it can't be a fact if it was never shown. However, I strongly believe that he was referring to actual power since he was comparing it to the power he gave Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[davidou]

Hagoromo just gave him the title of the protector of ninshuu.
Ashura received the power of friendship, he received the power of his ninshuu friends, this power bloomed in his body creating a power that allowed him to control Indra' s multiple putch attempts.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

OP, your reading comprehension skills must be at an extreme low. Hagoromo gave not only his power to Naruto but also Sasuke. In the scan, he literally said that giving his power to one ended up creating Indra and Asura, and then he said that giving both his sons power gave the same result. He's literally saying that he gave only Asura his power the first time and that even though he gave Indra power this time, the result was the same.

I know you don't want to admit that Asura stalemated with Six Paths Chakra against a Mangekyo user, but suck it up. Hagoromo clearly says that he gave the way of Ninshuu which is a way of life, not power, to Asura and that he gave power to Asura as well. If Hagoromo meant that he gave Ninshuu to Asura, why did Sasuke get the Rinnegan when Hagormo gave Indra power too. Literally speaking, Hagoromo referred to his own chakra rather than Ninshuu. Stop using mental gymnastics.

Never once did the manga say that when you combine Indra's chakra with Ninshuu it results in the Rinnegan. You know damn well and good what Hagoromo meant.

There's literally a scan showing Asura with Truth Seeker Orbs which solidifies this argument that you're poorly refuting.

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Lol its you whose reading skills are mediocre at best. All the non sense you've posted has already been countered in the OP. Give it a read and GTFO.

I don't see how Kaguya being the Juubi would discredit what he just said..

OP: I disagree
When Hagoromo said that, he was using it as a comparison to the power he literally gave Naruto and Sasuke. Just giving Ashura power doesn't have to mean that he have everything he had to Ashura. It could simply mean that he gave Ashura some of his power (could be RSM) while not giving Indra anything at all.

The other scans you posted don't exactly have to contradict that. Since he was referring to actual power when he said that, the conclusion I draw in this would be that at some point he reached Indra's power on his own as Hagoromo also stated. In which case, Indra was a prodigy so he would've been able to improve on his own. Especially if Ashura, who was inferior, caught up to him. Once he was on the top again, Ashura received power from Hagoromo and once again reached Indra.

This is the only conclusion I could draw so far but it can't be a fact if it was never shown. However, I strongly believe that he was referring to actual power since he was comparing it to the power he gave Naruto and Sasuke.

There's just one problem with your theory, Hagoromo mentioned Ashura had matched Indra's strength. There is no confirmation from Hagoromo after that that Indra reached even higher power levels. Give the chapters one more read mate, Hagoromo explained in detail the story of Ashura and Indra and why the brothers fell apart.

 

[patrickscott]

You're right his sperm did.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Lol its you whose reading skills are mediocre at best. All the non sense you've posted has already been countered in the OP. Give it a read and GTFO.



There's just one problem with your theory, Hagoromo mentioned Ashura had matched Indra's strength. There is no confirmation from Hagoromo after that that Indra reached even higher power levels. Give the chapters one more read mate, Hagoromo explained in detail the story of Ashura and Indra and why the brothers fell apart.

Indra was just that strong that even Asura's Six Path's Senjutsu couldn't beat him.

If you're insisting that he only gave Asura Ninshuu, then why did he then say that he gave only Asura his "power" the first time but decided to give both Indra and Asura power the second time. The manga never said that Ninshuu grants Six Path's power or the Rinnegan so it's quite clear that Hagoromo gave only Asura power the first time along with the title of Ninshuu leader.

Ninshuu is a lifestyle, not an ability. No one is denying that Asura awoke his own powers but Hagoromo literally said he only gave his chakra to Asura the first time. He decided to give it to Indra the second time which resulted in the Rinnegan. We know that Hagoromo's chakra is Indra and Asura combined so it only makes sense that by giving Sasuke his chakra/power, it awakened Sasuke's Rinnegan.

The manga never called Ninshuu a power but a way of life, a use of chakra that reveals peoples feelings to one another. I don't recall Ninshuu granting the Rinnegan or the Six Path's Powers.

 

[davidou]

Nope.:bdpf:

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He can be talking about Indra, Indra was the only one entrusted with power from birth.
Hagoromo left Indra power, he left Ashura nothing, that' s how I understand it.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Indra was just that strong that even Asura's Six Path's Senjutsu couldn't beat him.

If you're insisting that he only gave Asura Ninshuu, then why did he then say that he gave only Asura his "power" the first time but decided to give both Indra and Asura power the second time. The manga never said that Ninshuu grants Six Path's power or the Rinnegan so it's quite clear that Hagoromo gave only Asura power the first time along with the title of Ninshuu leader.

Ninshuu is a lifestyle, not an ability. No one is denying that Asura awoke his own powers but Hagoromo literally said he only gave his chakra to Asura the first time. He decided to give it to Indra the second time which resulted in the Rinnegan. We know that Hagoromo's chakra is Indra and Asura combined so it only makes sense that by giving Sasuke his chakra/power, it awakened Sasuke's Rinnegan.

The manga never called Ninshuu a power but a way of life, a use of chakra that reveals peoples feelings to one another. I don't recall Ninshuu granting the Rinnegan or the Six Path's Powers.

Lol, Hagoromo stated Ashura had already matched Indra's strength on his own before Hago even made him the leader of ninshu. If Hago gave his powers on top of that, Ashura would've rekt Indra.

@Bold Would like to see where Hago said he gave Ashura his chakra. Power could be many things, for Naruto and Sasuke it was chakra, for Ashura it was the leadership position to ninja creed/ninshu.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Lol, Hagoromo stated Ashura had already matched Indra's strength on his own before Hago even made him the leader of ninshu. If Hago gave his powers on top of that, Ashura would've rekt Indra.

@Bold Would like to see where Hago said he gave Ashura his chakra. Power could be many things, for Naruto and Sasuke it was chakra, for Ashura it was the leadership position to ninja creed/ninshu.

If it was only Ninshu for Asura, why didn't Naruto get Ninshu. He literally said that he only gave Asura POWER the first time, so he decided to give both Naruto and Sasuke power the second time. Hagoromo is literally insinuating that the first time he only gave Asura his power, if that wasn't true then why did he keep insinuating that he gave both of them power the second time.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the manga doesn't say it. He clearly gave Ninshuu to Asura and his power to Asura. Ninshuu is not a power by the way, it's just a means of sharing chakra with others to reveal feelings. It's not an ability that can be used in combat, hence why NINJUTSU WAS MADE.

I've debunked your pathetic argument multiple times, you're just too prideful to admit that you're wrong on your own thread.

 

[davidou]

If it was only Ninshu for Asura, why didn't Naruto get Ninshu. He literally said that he only gave Asura POWER the first time, so he decided to give both Naruto and Sasuke power the second time. Hagoromo is literally insinuating that the first time he only gave Asura his power, if that wasn't true then why did he keep insinuating that he gave both of them power the second time.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the manga doesn't say it. He clearly gave Ninshuu to Asura and his power to Asura. Ninshuu is not a power by the way, it's just a means of sharing chakra with others to reveal feelings. It's not an ability that can be used in combat, hence why NINJUTSU WAS MADE.

I've debunked your pathetic argument multiple times, you're just too prideful to admit that you're wrong on your own thread.

Naruto had some strong ninshuu feats before hago' s boost, ninshuu is connecting spirits via chakra, and Naruto connected to the spirits of all the shinobis on the battlefield with a single contact.

Your interpretation of Hagoromo' s sentence may be wrong, he can be talking about Indra, Indra was the only one entrusted with power from birth.
Hagoromo left Indra power, he left Ashura nothing, that' s how I understood it.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Naruto had some strong ninshuu feats before hago' s boost, ninshuu is connecting spirits via chakra, and Naruto connected to the spirits of all the shinobis on the battlefield with a single contact.

Your interpretation of Hagoromo' s sentence may be wrong, he can be talking about Indra, Indra was the only one entrusted with power from birth.
Hagoromo left Indra power, he left Ashura nothing, that' s how I understood it.

Indra was the one born with the Sharingan and talent, however, Hagoromo gave his own chakra to Asura. Hagoromo didn't literally give Indra anything. Genetics did their job and chose Indra to be the heir of the Sharingan.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

If it was only Ninshu for Asura, why didn't Naruto get Ninshu. He literally said that he only gave Asura POWER the first time, so he decided to give both Naruto and Sasuke power the second time. Hagoromo is literally insinuating that the first time he only gave Asura his power, if that wasn't true then why did he keep insinuating that he gave both of them power the second time.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the manga doesn't say it. He clearly gave Ninshuu to Asura and his power to Asura. Ninshuu is not a power by the way, it's just a means of sharing chakra with others to reveal feelings. It's not an ability that can be used in combat, hence why NINJUTSU WAS MADE.

I've debunked your pathetic argument multiple times, you're just too prideful to admit that you're wrong on your own thread.

That's why I said read the scans from OP again. Hago clearly stated he made Ashura the leader of the ninja creed who're the followers of ninshu which started the conflict between the brothers. Do you see him saying anywhere that he shared chakra with Ashura there.

Use your head, he gave Naruto an Ashura transmigrant his chakra and Naruto awakened RSM, he gave Sasuke, Indra's transmigrant his chakra and Sasuke awakened rinnegan. Now if Ashura who was already on Indra's level gets Hagoromo's chakra as well on top of that, he'd be too OP for Indra to handle. Its so obvious lol.

And again power could mean different things under different circumstances and I've already explained what they meant for Ashura/Indra and what they meant for Naruto/Sasuke. There was no need for him to share his chakra with Ashura and Indra, they were already quite powerful and there was no threat of Kaguya at the time. In case of Naruto and Sasuke, he shared his chakra and the seals so that Naruto and Sasuke are able to seal Kaguya.

So again you've debunked nothing. You don't even have the scans that says Hagoromo gave his chakra to Ashura to prove what you claim. Its just what you want to believe lol.

 

[davidou]

Indra was the one born with the Sharingan and talent, however, Hagoromo gave his own chakra to Asura. Hagoromo didn't literally give Indra anything. Genetics did their job and chose Indra to be the heir of the Sharingan.

That is exactly what Hagoromo is talking about, he saw that only Indra was left power.He never says that he is the one that decided to leave power to only one.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

That is exactly what Hagoromo is talking about, he saw that only Indra was left power.He never says that he is the one that decided to leave power to only one.

I don't even know what to say to you.

 

[davidou]

I don't even know what to say to you.

You should say thanks, I just opened your mind to another interpretation.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You should say thanks, I just opened your mind to another interpretation.

takin them to school. droppin jewels

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

You should say thanks, I just opened your mind to another interpretation.

An incorrect one based on pure conjecture. He clearly meant that giving Indra power this time didn't make anything better.

 

[davidou]

An incorrect one based on pure conjecture. He clearly meant that giving Indra power this time didn't make anything better.

If my interpretation is based on conjecture, yours is too.
You are rejecting an idea for no reason, that' s being short-minded

 

[lndra]

Bumping for relevancy.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Bumping for relevancy.

Are you bored?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Gives naruto and Sasuke power, does not deny that. Tells them that the very same power he gave naruto and Sasuke, he gave it all to Ashura. Denied that Ashura was given any power whatsoever despite being te exact same power he gave naruto and Sasuke.

This retarded clown Hahaha