Indra technically won.

[lndra]

Ashura needed power from Hagoromo to match Indra - their bodies were destroyed

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[Darth AniCetuS]

You just said his plan was to cast IT and control the people within it? No, his plan was to cast IT and create everlasting peace. Just because his plan was just a manipulation doesn't mean he didn't freely chase after that plan of his own free-will. Madara wanted to cast IT, and only regretted it after realizing it's true purpose. Just because it wasn't HIS plan doesn't mean the plan wasn't realized.

IT was cast therefore Madara's plan was realized.

Sasuke did not work with Naruto, he may have protected the world by investigating dimensions, but Sasuke contributed nothing at all. Naruto failed by himself, just suck it up and stop dancing around the argument like a child.

His plan did fail though right after he began implementing it so my point still stands cuz simply casting IT wasn't his plan, as you said bringing everlasting peace was which he failed to accomplish.
Lol go read gaiden.

 

[TemplarKnight]

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[Made in Heaven]

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Power over Ninshu

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

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I don't think you have the brains to comprehend this but I'll still drop this...

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[TemplarKnight]

Power over Ninshu

If he meant power over Ninshuu why didn't he give Ninshuu powers to Naruto and Sasuke? I think the manga is quite clear on what he gave Asura. He said power, and he gave them power. If he meant power over Ninshuu in both instances, he would have given them power over Ninshuu rather than RSM and the Rinnegan.

Get your reading comprehension in gear.

 

[jamarcusp17]

Asura took the inheritance but what was the key thing that made Asura special? Cooperation. Hagoromo gave only Asura leadership over Ninshuu, forgetting the fact that where there is light there is also darkness and where there are winners a loser must also emerge, meaning that when keeping order, where there is the comfort of love and forgiveness, there must also be the bitter taste of justice and order.

Asura's idea of peace and his descendants idea of peace created perpetual war and death, including a genocide of innocents btw in case you missed that obvious failure in their plan. Despite Indra and his descendants being manipulated, their plans for peace were actually fool-proof while Asura's descendants are still trying to color a paper with a rock generation after generation.

What exactly was the ideal of Infra descendants? I know Sasuke wanted to save the world behind the shadows, being an Itachi reincarnation, a common enemy for the great 5 nations. But is that what the others wanted?

 

[TemplarKnight]

I don't think you have the brains to comprehend this but I'll still drop this...

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Hagoromo is clearly stating that he gave power to only one first and this time he's trying to make amends by giving them both power. If he hadn't given Asura power, then why insinuate that he did in that scan? You're well aware that he gave Asura power but it bothers you that even with all those power-ups, Asura couldn't defeat his brother and come out alive.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Well since indra never succeeded in getting what he wanted its safe to say he lost then he finally gave up after ashura stomped him again (naruto and sasuke fight)

 

[Liquid Snake]

What exactly was the ideal of Infra descendants? I know Sasuke wanted to save the world behind the shadows, being an Itachi reincarnation, a common enemy for the great 5 nations. But is that what the others wanted?

They had no ideals they were allso stupid they thought bz plans were actually their own they were just pawns without their own minds until sasuke waa born

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

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Hagoromo is clearly stating that he gave power to only one first and this time he's trying to make amends by giving them both power. If he hadn't given Asura power, then why insinuate that he did in that scan? You're well aware that he gave Asura power but it bothers you that even with all those power-ups, Asura couldn't defeat his brother and come out alive.

And power could mean many things. He never said he gave Ashura his chakra did he? And if he gave him his chakra why didn't he give his rinnegan as well?

 

[Liquid Snake]

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Hagoromo is clearly stating that he gave power to only one first and this time he's trying to make amends by giving them both power. If he hadn't given Asura power, then why insinuate that he did in that scan? You're well aware that he gave Asura power but it bothers you that even with all those power-ups, Asura couldn't defeat his brother and come out alive.

U cant prove either one died in battle and never did ashura or his reincarnation want to kill indra. Indra was the only one trying to kill him and couldnt succeed.

 

[TemplarKnight]

And power could mean many things. He never said he gave Ashura his chakra did he? And if he gave him his chakra why didn't he give his rinnegan as well?

The Rinnegan only manifests in an Indra reincarnate because they possess the chakra and eyes necessary to evolve to the Rinnegan, ahem the Sharingan. Hagoromo if anything seemed selective in what he gave. He gave his chakra to Sasuke and gave his Rikudo Chakra to Naruto. Just because Naruto didn't awaken the Rinnegan doesn't mean Hagoromo didn't give them his power because Sasuke still awakened the Rinnegan and Naruto had RSM which clearly is POWER from HAGOROMO.

Power doesn't mean "many things", it means Hagoromo's chakra hence why it created Sasuke's Rinnegan. Hagoromo possesses Indra and Asura's chakra, Sasuke already had one half so the other manifested his Rinnegan. Just realize that you're wrong, it's okay to be wrong, the best thing about being wrong is that you realize what was correct.

 

[TemplarKnight]

U cant prove either one died in battle and never did ashura or his reincarnation want to kill indra. Indra was the only one trying to kill him and couldnt succeed.

The manga states that they killed each other. Neither was able to topple the other and survive.

 

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[Liquid Snake]

The manga states that they killed each other. Neither was able to topple the other and survive.

The manga says they both died. Not they killed each other try again. And again ashura didn't want to topple indra. Indra was the Butthurt one and bz showed him easy power ups. Ashura solos hago said ashura beat indra. Hashi repeatedly stomped madara until madara had to become half hashi. Naruto beat sasuke. Those are manga facts

 

[Liquid Snake]

The Rinnegan only manifests in an Indra reincarnate because they possess the chakra and eyes necessary to evolve to the Rinnegan, ahem the Sharingan. Hagoromo if anything seemed selective in what he gave. He gave his chakra to Sasuke and gave his Rikudo Chakra to Naruto. Just because Naruto didn't awaken the Rinnegan doesn't mean Hagoromo didn't give them his power because Sasuke still awakened the Rinnegan and Naruto had RSM which clearly is POWER from HAGOROMO.

Power doesn't mean "many things", it means Hagoromo's chakra hence why it created Sasuke's Rinnegan. Hagoromo possesses Indra and Asura's chakra, Sasuke already had one half so the other manifested his Rinnegan. Just realize that you're wrong, it's okay to be wrong, the best thing about being wrong is that you realize what was correct.

Can u prove hago gave ashura all his chakra. And hago. Didnt really have ninjutsu so if he didnt give ashura the eyes wtf did he really give him? He didnt give him the bijuus or anything. Its not even proven ashura had rsm only thing that was proven is that ashura chakra bloomed to equal indras

 

[lndra]

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He's talking about Ninshu

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[UnknownJin]

He's talking about Ninshu

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fodder disliking cause :salt::salt::salt:

you srsly stupid or what? :elmo:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The Rinnegan only manifests in an Indra reincarnate because they possess the chakra and eyes necessary to evolve to the Rinnegan, ahem the Sharingan. Hagoromo if anything seemed selective in what he gave. He gave his chakra to Sasuke and gave his Rikudo Chakra to Naruto. Just because Naruto didn't awaken the Rinnegan doesn't mean Hagoromo didn't give them his power because Sasuke still awakened the Rinnegan and Naruto had RSM which clearly is POWER from HAGOROMO.

Power doesn't mean "many things", it means Hagoromo's chakra hence why it created Sasuke's Rinnegan. Hagoromo possesses Indra and Asura's chakra, Sasuke already had one half so the other manifested his Rinnegan. Just realize that you're wrong, it's okay to be wrong, the best thing about being wrong is that you realize what was correct.

Btw, did Nagato posses the sharingan?
Yet Nagato handled Madara's rinnegan much better than Obito did even with Hashi DNA and Nagato wasn't even a transmigrant. So Ashura could've handled Hago's rinnegan just fine.

All I see is more nonsense coming from you.