Why the hyuga would win a clan war vs the Uchiha

[To Whatever]

That was only during hashiramas era that the tide changed. they have been fighting long before then and they were on par.

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and how is the senjus might relevant to hyuuga???

Damn, that generation had Madara, easily the greatest uchiha to live and they still lost.

It's unreal, the senju in their prime were a force to be reckoned with. You had Tobirama killing MS users with a undeveloped flying thunder God.

You had the senju combating sharingan users. They had to gang up on even the adolescent senju. Also, why are you using Obito's testimony when he fabricated the history of the war.

Hashirama' testimony holds more weight as he lived it. They had to corner his brother to beat him.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

1) we can do that now in RL with drones and satellites but you don't see us instantly winning wars.

2) Summonings are a form of ninjutsu which could be used to give them the same advantage as the Hyuga in terms of distance scouting and recon. How am I adding an ability when chakra signatures are determined person's chakra color? "The user can see chakra, giving it colour in order to distinguish it by its composition and source." Since you used wiki in some of your other posts I assumed you knew this :/

3) Four Black Fog Battle Formation which was used by the sound four :/ and who wouldn't know how the byakugan worked? It was one of the famed 3 great dojutsu... Yes, everyone in the series has one or more elemental nature but if they don't train ninjutsu how would they use that elemental nature? Hyuga train in taijutsu and specifically Gentle Fist so like I said the odds of Hyuga using ninjutsu are slim I think the only example of this would be Hinata using water needle in the anime and like I said earlier if they have a name take them out of this conversation.

4) Agree with the possibility of a Hyuga having genjutsu being slim? If so then yes, just because we are told they could use it doesn't mean they will and again show me where you see Hyuga using gen?

5)Don't know how you got that from my reply but yes they can destroy ninjutsu. Can any ole Hyuga destroy every single ninjutsu in the world logically no. Also, the second part to my response referred to how other ninjutsu can destroy ninjutsu.

6) Do I need to link the jutsu thread? There are plenty of jutsu that can be used against Hyuga especially considering that pure chakra is weaker to elemental chakra with the exceptions of a few pure jutsu. There is a reason why Hyuga fight CQC and not from a distance...

7) Pretty sure when Hinata fought Neji Neji hit her multiple times and see lived... for someone to instantly die from one strike the Hyuga would have to perfectly land a finger or palm on a vital organ to destroy it which would prove difficult since the Uchiha have high-speed tracking like the Hyuga with the addition to precog so the chances of them ending fights in one blow are slim unless they just got the newborn or runt of the litter so that god-like you speaking off isn't true... Honestly, I could go kill someone now just by punching them hard enough in the solar plexus but the odds of them letting me get a direct hit are slim :/

8) True but sharingan activations are triggered by emotions and if this is an all out war like you want one person statistically is eventually going to either be filled with enough sorrow, rage, vengefulness, stress, desire to be unite with a loved one, desire to protect loved one, or all of the above to activate MS...

Face it logically this is not a one-sided war on either side :/

I would have to disagree 3T has precog, thermal vision, and gen techs if I'm not mistaken which wouldn't give them much of an advantage against the byakugan unless the individual ninja they fought was just way slower and couldn't look into his own chakra network. Also, wasn't the sharingan even in the warring states era rare amongst the Uchiha? Where as the all full blooded Hyuga are born with it?

Actually Yea they can the strategy is the Hallmark of any battle
What battle can a army win if the enemy knows ALL YOUR PLAN .

2.summon are a bad example if you to use in this fight because what summon do the uchiha have access to that no one else does . Summon have no loyalty. And can have a contract with anyone


3. That a unrealistic example to use because you need 4people to with cursed mark which can be found at one place by one person oro. And Kidōmaru know noning about byakugan despite the fame and knew nothing about how it works just like other Villages know about it but don't know how it works.just because someone specializes in one thing means they suck everywhere else all that means is this is one Element you don't want to try them in .

4.the hyuga have the highest lvl cc plus the ability to extend techniques Hinata did it with ino and Kaguya did the exact same thing with her genjutsu.

5. but I still doesn't negate the fact that they can.

6. I would like for you to prove that with some kind of backing from every example in the series that's not so. And please name me some of these that can stop a full shin shun blitz . And if I close Ranger because that's their specialty

7.plus and how many did it take for him to put her down when he wanted to put her down only one straight to the chest it hit her heart she coughed up blood and fell down if they want to put you down they can put you down

8. And as I say that's still a reach in the entire history you've only had five people unlock it there history and these people have been alive for centuries

 

[unknownvillain1254]

That was only during hashiramas era that the tide changed. they have been fighting long before then and they were on par.

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and how is the senjus might relevant to hyuuga???

Nowhere near the truth but keep on with it

 

[unknownvillain1254]

not with the ABC shit logic again. first, if Neji had activated his Byakugan he would've anticipated Naruto's strike from under the ground and counter it. second, just because Sasuke soloed that version of Naruto that does not mean that he could do the same to Neji. because unlike Naruto, Neji is actually skilled in close combat. and the only thing that 3T added to Sasuke is that it increased his reaction speed which can be a big advantage in a battle but it can be useless if you are the one who would be striking because your opponent would be the one reacting

besides the Naruto that fought Neji had a cloak of Kyuubi Chakra that increased the power of his strikes. while the version that fought Sasuke didn't have a cloak of Chakra and didn't show any power feats like the version that fought Neji has shown

also, that isn't an evidence that the 3T is superior. it depends on the users of the Doujutsus themselves. part 1 Hinata had a Byakugan but she was useless and give part 1 Sakura a 3T and she would still be useless. and another example is Nagato with a Rinnegan and Madara with an EMS. guess who is supperior?

I see this man understands

 

[unknownvillain1254]

That's where my logic comes from. If the Uchiha were able to defeat the Hyuga, when most didn't even have the Sharingan, then, at best, the best Hyuga would only be able to contend with a 3t Sharing an user.

Well, that's a brief explanation.

Lol by your logic Valley1 sasuke beat hiashi

 

[Pyro NB]

Actually Yea they can the strategy is the Hallmark of any battle
What battle can an army win if the enemy knows ALL YOUR PLAN?

2.summon are a bad example if you to use in this fight because what summon do the Uchiha have access to that no one else does. Summon have no loyalty, and can have a contract with anyone


3. That an unrealistic example to use because you need 4 people to with cursed mark which can be found at one place by one person Oro, and Kidōmaru knew nothing about byakugan despite the fame and knew nothing about how it works just like other Villages know about it but don't know how it works. Just because someone specializes in one thing means they suck everywhere else all that means is this is one Element you don't want to try them in.

4. The hyuga have the highest lvl cc plus the ability to extend techniques Hinata did it with ino and Kaguya did the exact same thing with her genjutsu.

5. but I still don't negate the fact that they can.

6. I would like for you to prove that with some kind of backing from every example in the series that's not so. And please name me some of these that can stop a full shin shun blitz. And if I close Ranger because that's their specialty

7. Plus and how many did it take for him to put her down when he wanted to put her down only one straight to the chest it hit her heart she coughed up blood and fell down if they want to put you down they can put you down

8. And as I say that's still a reach in the entire history you've only had five people unlock it there history and these people have been alive for centuries

1) In modern day we go into missions with tons of info from drones, satellites, thermal imagining, etc. etc. but doesn't mean we can win every battle especially if the enemy has a more diverse arsenal.

2) Hyuga has seals to attempt to keep their own clan members from betraying the main family...

3) You said to give you an example and I did... also, how is it bad if those four could do such a feat I'm sure the Uchiha could as well and as far as them specializing in tai it means nothing if they can't hit their opponents :/

4) You just completely ignored my statement...

5) Never said they couldn't....

6) Rasengan vs Rasenshuriken = Original tech vs Original tech + Wind nature = Pure chakra vs Elemental chakra

7) Like you said how many hits before she was defeated? Definitely not one and like I said if you can get that hit in great but odds are no one is getting one shotted. Also, a kunai to the heart is just as effective :/

8) Same amount of odds of Hyuga using gen, elements, and completely nerfing one of the strongest clans in the naruto verse.

That's where my logic comes from. If the Uchiha were able to defeat the Hyuga, when most didn't even have the Sharingan, then, at best, the best Hyuga would only be able to contend with a 3t Sharingan user.

Well, that's a brief explanation.

The question I would pose to this would be when have we ever seen the Hyuga or any of the other clans besides Senju and Uchiha fight it out? If I remember correctly the Hyuga are highly diplomatic which would mean they probably only fought when it came to defending themselves, allies, or territory. Definitely not saying the Senju and Uchiha aren't the strongest clans out there at that time but even the strongest can lose to an underdog if carefully planned. A real world example of this would be the USA during the Vietnam War but again my opinion and playing devil's advocate.

Its actually quite one-sided if you know how to properly interpret the manga in which the Uchiha is put in the same league as the Senju, not any other clan. Those two only being mentioned as the strongest means they are several tiers above others that includes the Hyuuga. and that was when no MS user was around up until Madara and Izuna, so not sure why MS is being mentioned as the Uchiha only way of winning here. they absolutely do not need it.

Like I said with LeSauce just because you are one of the two top clans doesn't mean you are undefeatable and you can probably find thousands of real world examples that can back up this claim. Also, never said that MS was the only way the Uchiha would win I just said that for the most part, it would depend on each person's individual skill versus their opponents unless an MS user emerged making this a complete uphill battle for the Hyuga unless they pulled a miracle out of their a$$'s.

3T Sasuke was destroying kyuubi Naruto who defeated Neji. 3T>Byakugan

That sharingan were rare is debunked later as Obito had a room fool of Sharingan in his lab

Yea Naruto Kurama chakra v Neji, Sasuke v Naruto Kurama chakra, eyes, whiskers, and nails(not sure about nails). Neji deactivates byakugan due to arrogance and gets knocked out by a chakra less Naruto who dug a hole with his bare hands... Even still that's like saying, EMS Madara, would lose to Pain because of Rinnegan being greater than EMS. It's all about the individual's skill, tactics, and planning.

A room full of sharingan from a modernized Uchiha clan that wasn't constantly warring, losing members, and that lived in a village designed to protect and nurture their youth to their fullest potential.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Sorry but Obito solo's the entire Hyuga clan

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Byakugan insight > Sharingan genjutsu


Juken > MS jutsu


Only advantage Uchiha have is Susanoo, but then again only one in every 1000 Uchiha will unlock it. OP's thread is backed up by facts

So you're trying to tell me that the Jyuuken could handle Obito's kamui?

 

[Pyro NB]

Sorry but Obito solo's the entire Hyuga clan

Obito would solo just about anyone xD

 

[patrickscott]

***** please MS Shisui finishes their reason to live.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

1) In modern day we go into missions with tons of info from drones, satellites, thermal imagining, etc. etc. but doesn't mean we can win every battle especially if the enemy has a more diverse arsenal.

2) Hyuga has seals to attempt to keep their own clan members from betraying the main family...

3) You said to give you an example and I did... also, how is it bad if those four could do such a feat I'm sure the Uchiha could as well and as far as them specializing in tai it means nothing if they can't hit their opponents :/

4) You just completely ignored my statement...

5) Never said they couldn't....

6) Rasengan vs Rasenshuriken = Original tech vs Original tech + Wind nature = Pure chakra vs Elemental chakra

7) Like you said how many hits before she was defeated? Definitely not one and like I said if you can get that hit in great but odds are no one is getting one shotted. Also, a kunai to the heart is just as effective :/

8) Same amount of odds of Hyuga using gen, elements, and completely nerfing one of the strongest clans in the naruto verse.


The question I would pose to this would be when have we ever seen the Hyuga or any of the other clans besides Senju and Uchiha fight it out? If I remember correctly the Hyuga are highly diplomatic which would mean they probably only fought when it came to defending themselves, allies, or territory. Definitely not saying the Senju and Uchiha aren't the strongest clans out there at that time but even the strongest can lose to an underdog if carefully planned. A real world example of this would be the USA during the Vietnam War but again my opinion and playing devil's advocate.


Like I said with LeSauce just because you are one of the two top clans doesn't mean you are undefeatable and you can probably find thousands of real world examples that can back up this claim. Also, never said that MS was the only way the Uchiha would win I just said that for the most part, it would depend on each person's individual skill versus their opponents unless an MS user emerged making this a complete uphill battle for the Hyuga unless they pulled a miracle out of their a$$'s.

Yea Naruto Kurama chakra v Neji, Sasuke v Naruto Kurama chakra, eyes, whiskers, and nails(not sure about nails). Neji deactivates byakugan due to arrogance and gets knocked out by a chakra less Naruto who dug a hole with his bare hands... Even still that's like saying, EMS Madara, would lose to Pain because of Rinnegan being greater than EMS. It's all about the individual's skill, tactics, and planning.

A room full of sharingan from a modernized Uchiha clan that wasn't constantly warring, losing members, and that lived in a village designed to protect and nurture their youth to their fullest potential.

1I never said that since you have satellites and whatever did you automatically win the war but you damn sure do have the advantage which is what I said. Basically nonnegotiable facts

2. Okay you doing it again stay on subject how does bringing in a summoning help when they have no loyalty to know specific group of people. Non-negotiable fact

3. Well you tell me one clan that has a specialty and that they completely suck at it and show me in detail how the uchiha I would save themselves from being attacked because they cannot touch the hyuga but the hyuga can't touch them.

4quote my you

just because we are told they could use it doesn't mean they will

5. That is a bad example and you also know it you put A rank ability versus a S rank ability Rasengan versus chodir is a better example both are of the same rank.

7. And no it was only one hit to put her down I can bring you the scans prove it the other hit was to disable her gf

 

[LeSauce]

Lol by your logic Valley1 sasuke beat hiashi

In what way? Explain it to me.

 

[LeSauce]

1) In modern day we go into missions with tons of info from drones, satellites, thermal imagining, etc. etc. but doesn't mean we can win every battle especially if the enemy has a more diverse arsenal.

2) Hyuga has seals to attempt to keep their own clan members from betraying the main family...

3) You said to give you an example and I did... also, how is it bad if those four could do such a feat I'm sure the Uchiha could as well and as far as them specializing in tai it means nothing if they can't hit their opponents :/

4) You just completely ignored my statement...

5) Never said they couldn't....

6) Rasengan vs Rasenshuriken = Original tech vs Original tech + Wind nature = Pure chakra vs Elemental chakra

7) Like you said how many hits before she was defeated? Definitely not one and like I said if you can get that hit in great but odds are no one is getting one shotted. Also, a kunai to the heart is just as effective :/

8) Same amount of odds of Hyuga using gen, elements, and completely nerfing one of the strongest clans in the naruto verse.


The question I would pose to this would be when have we ever seen the Hyuga or any of the other clans besides Senju and Uchiha fight it out? If I remember correctly the Hyuga are highly diplomatic which would mean they probably only fought when it came to defending themselves, allies, or territory. Definitely not saying the Senju and Uchiha aren't the strongest clans out there at that time but even the strongest can lose to an underdog if carefully planned. A real world example of this would be the USA during the Vietnam War but again my opinion and playing devil's advocate.


Like I said with LeSauce just because you are one of the two top clans doesn't mean you are undefeatable and you can probably find thousands of real world examples that can back up this claim. Also, never said that MS was the only way the Uchiha would win I just said that for the most part, it would depend on each person's individual skill versus their opponents unless an MS user emerged making this a complete uphill battle for the Hyuga unless they pulled a miracle out of their a$$'s.

Yea Naruto Kurama chakra v Neji, Sasuke v Naruto Kurama chakra, eyes, whiskers, and nails(not sure about nails). Neji deactivates byakugan due to arrogance and gets knocked out by a chakra less Naruto who dug a hole with his bare hands... Even still that's like saying, EMS Madara, would lose to Pain because of Rinnegan being greater than EMS. It's all about the individual's skill, tactics, and planning.

A room full of sharingan from a modernized Uchiha clan that wasn't constantly warring, losing members, and that lived in a village designed to protect and nurture their youth to their fullest potential.

This excuse keeps coming up over and over again. Tell me, where in the manga does it say that the Hyuga were somehow exempt from the warring periods? Or that they weren't out there fighting like all of the other clans. Why in the world would the Hyuga be the only clan that would be different?

We never saw any of the other clans fight either. Does that mean the any one of them could challenge the Uchiha or Senju?

Except that it was explicitly stated that after thousands of years the Uchiha and Senju were literally so ahead of any other clan that only they could even challenge each other.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Sorry but Obito solo's the entire Hyuga clan

please explain the logic in this because he can't even touch these people without losing his Sharingan

 

[unknownvillain1254]

This excuse keeps coming up over and over again. Tell me, where in the manga does it say that the Hyuga were somehow exempt from the warring periods? Or that they weren't out there fighting like all of the other clans. Why in the world would the Hyuga be the only clan that would be different?

We never saw any of the other clans fight either. Does that mean the any one of them could challenge the Uchiha or Senju?

Except that it was explicitly stated that after thousands of years the Uchiha and Senju were literally so ahead of any other clan that only they could even challenge each other.

well this is my counter argument that's going to throw a whole Monkey Wrench in your plans can you tell me when the hyuga came down from the Moon because we know the other brother went to the moon to guard his mother when did they come down because they had to eventually


and can you please tell me where it said they had fought for thousands of years during the warring period because no one knows how long that was

 

[unknownvillain1254]

In what way? Explain it to me.

You said a uchiha with 3t = the BEST byakugan user
So Valley 1 sasuke beat hiashi

 

[LeSauce]

You said a uchiha with 3t = the BEST byakugan user
So Valley 1 sasuke beat hiashi

Well, you got me there.

I should have said that at best, the best Hyuga user would only be able to compete with a capable 3t user.

So, the best Uchiha would be > than the best Hyuga. Does that make sense?

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

please explain the logic in this because he can't even touch these people without losing his Sharingan

He used Izanagi one time and it was a perfectly reasonable scenario in which to do so.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

He used Izanagi one time and it was a perfectly reasonable scenario in which to do so.

Okay so he's now down 1 eyez and can not still physically touch them congrats

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Well, you got me there.

I should have said that at best, the best Hyuga user would only be able to compete with a capable 3t user.

So, the best Uchiha would be > than the best Hyuga. Does that make sense?

I know you're biased and imma show you how crazy your bias is because there is no skill requirement to unlock 3t because you can dropping ice cream and if you really love that ice cream get 3t . It all comes down to skill

If a hyuga knows all of his family techniques I'm telling you you're in for a fight to the death because not only does he have a one hit KO he can take away your chakra also absorb it .kill you with air Palm from long distance has his own chakra Shield. And his own version of precognition with in 50 meter