nope. nothing wrong with my point. if the force was coming from the front then you can make a proper stance and use the friction of the ground to brace yourself well. but if the force was directed upward in the air. then your situation would be similar to someone who is in mid air and you would be sent flying if you lack the physical strength to block.
if he can strike fast then that means he can move his hands fast. End of Story
well you have this point. if Neji managed to meet Lee's foot with the gentle fist then it is over.
you can see here that SRA Naruto was also covered by Chakra in his rage triggered transformation
Irrelevant unless if you have an evidence that what Kurama did to Vote Naruto was similar to what he did here
CE kn0 Naruto was so fast to the point that Neji could not evade, so he was obviously >>> Neji in terms of speed
I knew that this was a faulty argument. the reason I edited my post
Lmao I am no psychic. I was just viewing some old threads and you were always arguing for Sasuke. but in this thread you first said that CE Sasuke is inferior. so did your mind changed from it is own? or did someone changed it? because if it was the latter, that means you actually conceded. but you changed your mind later, do you consider yourself biased? nope. but because I changed my mind about something (and I gave a reason why I changed it). so that makes me a biased fanboy? smh
the only thing different from that form and from the one that is used by Neji is that that form is triggered through rage the reason he gets the red eyes, fangs, whiskers . but it is still the same Chakra and the version that fought Neji was powerful to the point that it caused cracks on the ground by just running
because Naruto didn't rush with his top speed. but when Naruto rushed with his top speed he forced Neji to use rotation otherwise he would be ran over
and how does the Kyuubi chakra that CE Naruto used being stable translate to it being inferior?
Neji was not impressed at all at Lee's speed meanwhile he acknowledged Naruto's speed and everyone was surprised that Naruto unblocked his Chakra points and all of them were surprised from the Chakra that was covering him
Friction isn't how one braces themselves. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. When you brace yourself you are directing force, or rather putting your weight, towards the opposite direction the force that is about to hit you is coming from. So if Lee is coming from above Neji directs his body weight towards the ground while blocking, thus Lee can't make him stagger long enough to land any combo hits.
Read. Above. Bold is literally based on nothing but him knocking Gaara a few feet into the air after landing a direct hit.
This isn't evidence of your claim that he's fast enough to counter Chidori so it's just as good as a concession.
Neji being able to strike fast isn't evidence of your claim. Provide evidence or I'll just take it as a concession. Him being able to use 64 palms has jack to do with countering. Changing up your wording to incorrect words doesn't change how inaccurate your argument sounds.
These have nothing to do with each other. Precision and accuracy is why he can hit the tenketsu in battle. Not to mention hitting Lee's leg has nothing to do with hitting Sasuke's arm unless you are arguing he grabs Lee's upper leg.
Wrong image. Not like it matters. The presence of a cloak does not indicate more chakra. The presence of a cloak means that the chakra he took from Kurama is wrapping around him in the form of a cloak. Against Kimimaro he started off with the chakra aura around him but later on it vanished. Are you going to argue that Naruto got weaker as the fight progressed? :lol I hope not.
This doesn't even make sense as a response. Kurama gave him chakra in all 3 instances. Only in the CE did he get a cloak. Are you arguing that Kurama gave him more chakra during the CE than he did against Madara? Yes or no? Simple question so please just answer it. :lol
No, it simply means that he was fast enough to prevent evasion. Not that there is a large gap nor does there need to be a large gap between them. You only need equal speed at the minimum but Neji obviously isn't equal with Naruto so don't try to say that I'm arguing such.
No, it's because he was fast enough to react. Not because he was much more skilled.
Lmao I would love to see a recent thread where I argued CE Sasuke beating CE Neji. You changed your mind with no explanation and with no counter argument for why you changed your mind until I called you out. That makes you biased. If you weren't just trying to exploit things here you would've gone back and addressed all the points you didn't address when we were talking about CE Naruto's speed.
Lmao. Sure. I believe you. :lol
Doesn't matter because you can't prove that Neji is fast enough to do that. All you have said so far is that he's fast. You keep saying "64 palms this 64 palms that", but 64 palms only proves that he can strike fast. It doesn't prove that he can move his hands FAST ENOUGH to do what you claim nor does it prove he has the reaction speed necessary to do what you claim.
Then don't talk about how I was moaning all through the thread about how VoTE Sasuke>Neji when I only mentioned VoTE Sasuke in my general comparison of Neji's forms and Naruto's forms, something I also did w/ Lee and Naruto.
Lmao and you are STILL using arguments that I've addressed without addressing my rebuttals. Didn't I already tell you that the reason the ground was breaking is because the chakra was expanding around him and NOT because he was running? Yes I did. Didn't I already tell you that Neji only said "his speed increased". He never said "he's fast". So stop using that horrible logic to compare Naruto to Lee. It does not work. Not now, not ever.
no hiruzen clearly states chakra in ce state was in stable form while the one thats responsible for kyuubi features alarmed even kakashi
no it was not becoz of speed or strength but becoz of nine tails chakra emitting from him.The same thing that clashed with rotation
an incomplete rotation meaning he was too fast for him.same naruto whose speed didn't surprise anyone out there except neji
and that means he can't tangle with someone with enough strength to stop a giant snake or who can break haku's ice mirrors but he actually did clash with naruto who had chakra cloak
Says the king of trash logic
it means he used a fixed amount of chakra he can control unlike against sasuke or haku where he was overflowing with it thus more of kyuubi features
Nope the one who can't comprehend.
and either translates being surprised at naruto's speed.how did you reach that conclusion :lol
damn that dude clearly has zero comprehension skills if he is using that argument repeteadly after being told what happend :lol
Yes, I get the point. That's why I clearly stated that the one who lacks the physical strength would not be able to block. but my main point was that blocking a strike from beneath is a little bit similar to blocking a strike in mid air.
but after he landed that direct hit Gaara did try to block. yet with each kick, he was elevated a distance in mid air. and like said, Lee is going to try and kick Neji's chin, meaning Neji's only manner of a guard would be crossing his hands downwards similar to what Gaara did in that upper left panel. and that type of a block would not prevent him from being elevated or at least staggered.
Neji being able to strike fast is the evidence. as he would need to strike Sasuke's arm fast before Chidori makes contact.
Yes exactly what I am arguing, the feat of blocking Chakra points in the heat of the battle is a feat that proves reflex and good timing, as your opponent's limbs would be moving continously while you are fighting him and you would need to strike a needle tip sized spots on his body in a heat of a fight. in example if you dodged a linear punch then you would need to strike the arm in the right spot and in the right time to successfully block a chakra point. That's why it is an impressive feat that impressed the likes Kakashi and Hiruzen. a feat that proves precision and reaction and good timing.
Yes, but when he gave him the chakra in his fight against Madara, a lot of shit had happened and Naruto gained the control over the seal before that. nothing suggest that it is the same case as CE or Vote
Agreed but skills was also a factor
I said you were always usually arguing for him so I thought you were one of his fan boys who'd argue for him in this thread. Apparently I was wrong there. so.. sorry for that
I don't give a ****
and why you think that he can not move his hands fast enough ?
okay, my bad. I mistook you with one of his fanboys
It's not similar at all for the reasons I just explained.
Lmao go read what I posted again because you have failed to address anything. You acknowledged it but you are still repeating the same thing you've been repeating since the beginning of this argument. Neji doesn't need to have more physical strength than Lee to block his kick because Neji isn't using his muscle power to block it so saying "Lee>>Neji" in physical power doesn't help you here.
That was ONLY to show that one doesn't need to be anywhere near the level of strength of another to block their hits and to show that Lee can't smash Neji's bones like you claimed he could.
That's not evidence for the reasons I've already explained. Is the fact that Usain Bolt can fast evidence that he can run fast enough to run 1000m in 5 seconds? No. So stop making this point.
That's the exact definition of precision and accuracy. The best kind of feats that prove reaction times are feats where you actually react to something. Not this nonsense grasping at straws you are doing. What's funny about all this is that Kakashi doesn't mention a damn thing about reflexes. Your example also makes no sense. Dodging the punch is what displays your reflexes. Landing a hit on the point demonstrates accuracy. That's it.
No, CE Naruto doesn't have more. He simply made what he had into a cloak so he could fight against Rotation. That being evidence he's faster than Lee doesn't make sense because there is no comparison.
No, he obviously didn't. He gained control of a portion of Kurama's chakra. Kurama gave Naruto chakra here and it's the same as he's always done. The only difference is that Kurama didn't try to take his body. The seal and KCM are irrelevant.
Nope. Reacting to things is reaction speed. Stop trying to throw skill into discussions where it has no place. :lol
Lmao so basically you assumed and jumped to conclusions? :lol Smh.
Because you've failed to support it with substatinal evidence.
Lmao. How does that even matter? Neji being able to counter faster than he can emit chakra doesn't mean he can do it fast enough to counter someone of Sasuke's speed.
Based on nothing.
Does not prove your point.
Your examples don't matter unless you can show that Neji is fast enough to do this, but you can't and I know you can't because there is nothing in this Manga that puts him at that level of speed. Nothing at all.
I was just arguing if Neji would be able to block or not. but you are right. regardless that is irrelevant since Neji can just meet his attack with the gentle fist so he doesn't need to dodge and there is no proof that he would be able to dodge so you have that point. but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be able to counter
you didn't address my point and that is striking speed is not irrelevant as you thought. because Neji would need to strike Sasuke's arm before Chidori makes contact, and Neji can strike 64 times in a matter of seconds. would he have a problem with Sasuke's speed? a speed that he didn't acknowledge as something worthy of a challenge? No. he can react well to a higher tier of speed so he would have no problem reacting to an inferior speed well enough to counter. and he has the feat of striking chakra points so he would have no problem striking Sasuke's arm in the right time before Chidori makes contact
this feat mainly proves good timing. as Kakashi noted that it is only impressive when done in the heat of the battle where your opponent would be moving his limbs continuously and fighting with you.
I'll concede, it seems that the purpose of the cloak is to increase power
Naruto was so fast to the point that could not evade and was forced to emit Chakra if Lee was far faster than that then he wouldn't needed Ura renge, he wouldn't even needed the 1st Gate to win against Neji.
Neji can strike 64 times in a matter of seconds so he can obviously strike someone with a speed that he didn't even acknowledge it as anything noteworthy of a challenge
No, I did and it gets the same response as your other arguments. You have yet to prove Neji is fast enough to maneuver past Chidori and hit Sasuke's arm before Sasuke can hit him. Being able to react to a higher level of speed isn't evidence he can counter a lower level of speed.
Good timing is not speed. Nothing more to be said on this point.
Irrelevant because Neji has ways to defeat Lee that he can't pull off against Naruto due to the power behind his chakra enhanced strike.
Irrelevant. Being able to react to one person isn't proof you can react and counter to someone slower.
Lmao. Let's use this poor logic for a moment.
This is just your opinion. And no, I don't need to give you feats of anything. Has Neji shown a speed so far above Sasuke's that he can counter Chidori by blocking all the necessary points in his arm before Sasuke can hit him? No, he hasn't. If he had you would've shown me it a long time ago.
"64 times in a matter of seconds" isn't a comparative measure so I have no clue why you keep mentioning it here. "Bobby X can run 500m in several seconds". Is that evidence he can run 5000m in less than 10 seconds? No. Stop acting like you are answering the question at hand. You try to downplay your need to provide evidence by saying "It's not that big a deal". Not how it works.
When you can explain how the first part of this sentence right here proves that the second part is true then we can talk.
Neji doesn't need to dodge. He does not need to maneuver. He does not even need to move his body. all he needs to do is to move his hands fast and strike Sasuke's arm before Chidori can make contact with his body
Nope. Use your brain. If Neji strikes straight ahead like he normally does he'll hit Chidori. The fact he can't strike straight ahead means he has to put more effort in. That's a maneuver. :lol That is something you can't prove that he's fast enough to do. Changing up the wording from "grabbing" to "striking" doesn't help your case. In fact it makes your argument even more shitty than before because he needs more than one jab to disable Chidori.
I was not saying that Neji is going strike straight :lol. Sasuke is one who is going to strike straight here. and right before his attack lands, Neji can just strike Sasuke's arm with a palm thrust and redirect his attack. something similar to this
The bold is what you've been arguing for the past 15 pages, and you've yet to provide the feats that give Neji the speed to accomplish something like this. Posting scans of him striking Naruto is irrelevant unless you can explain how these feats prove your point, but you can't and that's why you are repeating yourself like a desperate broken record. This is fanboy behavior at it's purest.
the 64 palms scan that I keep posting proves one thing and that is the ****ing striking speed. and a palm thrust doesn't differ from a jab as both of them relate to the striking speed. if you can Jab fast you can strike with a palm thrust as fast. that is a fact. and read my edited post. striking in other directions take only slightly more effort than striking straight. but it is still striking where the user uses his own striking speed. and what that guy did in the spoiler in my last post was that he redirected the punch. Neji can do the same thing with a palm thrust where he uses his own striking speed. so the 64 palms and the striking speed are not irrelevant as you thought.
When you can prove Neji is fast enough to do what you claim he can do then you'll have a point. All I'm reading here is "Neji can strike fast w/ 64 palms so he can strike fast and him being able to strike fast means that he counters Chidori super duper neg diff". Sure, good job on proving that Neji is fast. Now try to apply a little bit more brain power and tell the class why he is fast ENOUGH.
You can't, you've already admitted you have no proof or good evidence. Just opinions backed by nothing but your love for a fictional character. Neji loses. Give it up. It's over.
