Not as relevant as you are trying to make it seem. Not even close, especially since we are talking about blocking. Not weight.
Can you stop ignoring the panel? Gaara tried to block and FAILED, leaving him open to successive strikes.
Based on nothing.
-True.
-Bold is based on nothing.
-Based on nothing. Lee being stronger than Neji doesn't translate to Neji being able to block a hit. Lmao it breaking Neji's bones is also horseshit that you made up.
"he has it" isn't an argument. End of story. You keep saying he has this, and he has this yet you can't prove any of it. :lol Not interested in your opinions. Only interested in arguments, and you don't have any.
Let someone who isn't a biased fanboy look into the details. Nothing in this Manga supports the claim that if Lee kicks Neji and Neji blocks he will be left with broken bones. Nothing at all. Thus you do not have a point.
-The first gate releases 80% of the brain's power. That doesn't mean that this same multiplier translates to physical strength.
-Lee's strength feats w/ the first gate consist of landing a direct kick right to Gaara's chin and not doing any noticeable damage with the first strike.
Where are these feats that give Neji broken bones if he blocks Lee's kick? Oh wait, they don't exist. You are desperately trying to make it seem like Lee would break his bones with a direct hit because you've run out of petty excuses to make. Knocking someone heavier than Neji into the air doesn't support the point that Neji can't block or match Lee's attacks while in the first gate without getting broken bones. Lmao.
So we went from CE Naruto being much faster than Rock Lee, to Rock Lee's physical hits being enough to break Neji's guard despite him literally NEVER EVER IN THIS MANGA showing strength feats on that level.
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Lmao. If VoTE Sasuke can use a one armed guard against KN0 Naruto's full power strike and not have a broken arm afterwards then there's no way that Rock ****ing Lee in the 1st Gate is going to break Neji's guard with his kick. Or are you going to claim that 1st Gate Lee is far superior to KN0 in physical strength next? Smh.
his base uses only 20% of his muscle power while when using the 1st gate he uses 100% meaning that his attacks with 1st gate are 5x more powerful than base
and it were powerful to the point it sent someone as heavy as Gaara flying in mid air so it should do the same to Neji since he lacks the physical strength to block it and focus on the last panel.
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you can see clearly that Gaara was using his arms to shield himself. meaning he was blocking. yet with each kick, he was sent a distance upward in mid air
and I admit, Lee breaking Neji's bones was just exaggerate but his attacks are powerful enough to send him flying if he tried a direct block.
Neji is the one who has not shown any noteworthy strength feats that suggest that he can block it so the the logical reason for Neji's supperiorty is that he managed to dodge it
and yeah Neji has everything that suggests that he can do just as or something near what Kakashi did. what Kakashi did was that he countered Sasuke's attack by grabbing his hand fast and thrown him.
and that feat required three things:
-reaction
-hand movements speed
-skills
and Neji has it:
reaction: he can react to a faster opponent (Lee w/ 1st Gate)
hand movements speed: he can strike 64 times in 64 different spots precisely in a matter of seconds so he should be able to move his hands fast, in general, to grab fast
his base uses only 20% of his muscle power while when using the 1st gate he uses 100% meaning that his attacks with 1st gate are 5x more powerful than base
and it were powerful to the point it sent someone as heavy as Gaara flying in mid air so it should do the same to Neji since he lacks the physical strength to block it and focus on the last panel.
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you can see clearly that Gaara was using his arms to shield himself. meaning he was blocking. yet with each kick, he was sent a distance upward in mid air
Lmao. Don't lie. After multiple strikes Lee was able to tear Gaara's Sand armor. With a single strike he cannot do that level of damage. He hit Gaara directly and failed to do any serious damage with that single kick. Quit with these shitty ass excuses.
and I admit, Lee breaking Neji's bones was just exaggerate but his attacks are powerful enough to send him flying if he tried a direct block.
Who cares? Sending him flying doesn't open up his guard. Not to mention you've yet to show that Lee's kick will send Neji flying back so far or so hard that he won't react to the follow up attack. Thus you do not have a point.
Neji is the one who has not shown any noteworthy strength feats that suggest that he can block it so the the logical reason for Neji's supperiorty is that he managed to dodge it
Stop wanking. If Sasuke can use a one handed guard to block someone far stronger than Lee in the first gate then Lee isn't going to do shit to break through his guard and leave him open. Period.
and yeah Neji has everything that suggests that he can do just as or something near what Kakashi did. what Kakashi did was that he countered Sasuke's attack by grabbing his hand fast and thrown him.
and that feat required three things:
-reaction
-hand movements speed
-skills
and Neji has it:
reaction: he can react to a faster opponent (Lee w/ 1st Gate)
hand movements speed: he can strike 64 times in 64 different spots precisely in a matter of seconds so he should be able to move his hands fast, in general, to grab fast
All this is irrelevant. It's you saying he has it but not showing me how he has it. :lol
-Reacting to Lee doesn't give him the speed to counter Sasuke's Chidori.
-Striking fast doesn't mean his general movement speed is anywhere near that level. Not sure how many times I'll have to say this before you get this through your dumbass head. Jesus Christ it's amazing how desperate you are getting. Fact of the matter is Neji is far below Kakashi thus he does not get his feats. That simple. End of story. You have no argument and that's why you've posted the same BS over 5x now. Just give it a ****ing rest already. :lol
Lmao. Don't lie. After multiple strikes Lee was able to tear Gaara's Sand armor. With a single strike he cannot do that level of damage. He hit Gaara directly and failed to do any serious damage with that single kick. Quit with these shitty ass excuses.
actually, there were no multiple strikes. the only thing that Lee did was this
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and it didn't do any noteworthy damage. the only thing that it did was that it scratched him.
then after that, he directly punched him and broke his sand armor with one punch
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I am not sure why didn't the initial kick damaged him but that's irrelevant. because his kick would not break Neji's bones but it is still powerful enough to knock him since his enhanced w/ 1st Gate attacks are 5x more powerful and it sent a heavier opponent flying
Who cares? Sending him flying doesn't open up his guard. Not to mention you've yet to show that Lee's kick will send Neji flying back so far or so hard that he won't react to the follow up attack. Thus you do not have a point.
if Neji blocks the initial strike from 1st Gate Lee, then blocking would leave him open for the rest of Lee's combo since the 1st Gate specifically allows the user to pull off a series of physical attacks at insane speeds obviously far beyond his normal speed hence the risk.
Neji has no way to catch Lee's limbs or reduce the impact of the attack meaning a hasty Block would stagger him, unlike Kimimaro which means that he'd need to Block and counter attack faster than a 1st Gate enhanced Lee can attack and follow with another attack straight after Neji guard his initial attack.
Stop wanking. If Sasuke can use a one handed guard to block someone far stronger than Lee in the first gate then Lee isn't going to do shit to break through his guard and leave him open. Period.
telling me not to give Neji feats from superior Shinobis(which BTW I did not) and here you go giving him a feat from someone who is superior to him in terms of strength.
can u post the scan, please
All this is irrelevant. It's you saying he has it but not showing me how he has it. :lol
-Reacting to Lee doesn't give him the speed to counter Sasuke's Chidori.
-Striking fast doesn't mean his general movement speed is anywhere near that level. Not sure how many times I'll have to say this before you get this through your dumbass head. Jesus Christ it's amazing how desperate you are getting. Fact of the matter is Neji is far below Kakashi thus he does not get his feats. That simple. End of story. You have no argument and that's why you've posted the same BS over 5x now. Just give it a ****ing rest already. :lol
-Neji's reaction to Lee's top speed attacks must be a dodge or a counter so you don't have a point
-if you can't move your hands fast then how would you strike fast genius? let me get this clear. if you can strike fast then that means you can move your hands fast in general. not as fast when striking obviously but your hand movements speed would still be fast because you need to be able to move your ****ing hands fast to strike fast in the first place.
and for the 100th times, I am not giving Neji Kakashi's damn feat. I just used as an example of what Neji can do. and where the **** was it stated in this Manga that you need to be on Kakashi's level to do it ?! yes it wasn't. what Kakashi did was that he simply just moved his hands fast to grab Sasuke's arm and throw him. and he had the reaction and speed and skills to do it. and Neji does not lack any of those so why the **** he wouldn't be able to do it?
actually, there were no multiple strikes. the only thing that Lee did was this
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and it didn't do any noteworthy damage. the only thing that it did was that it scratched him.
then after that, he directly punched him and broke his sand armor with one punch
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I am not sure why didn't the initial kick damaged him but that's irrelevant. because his kick would not break Neji's bones but it is still powerful enough to knock him since his enhanced w/ 1st Gate attacks are 5x more powerful and it sent a heavier opponent flying
When you can sure that it will break his guard and leave him unable to stop any successive attacks we can talk about this. "Lee is 5x more powerful" is irrelevant. "It sent heavier opponent flying" is irrelevant when that heavier opponent DID NOT GUARD. I already told you that you get sent flying back farther if you do NOT brace yourself properly for an impact. :lol
if Neji blocks the initial strike from 1st Gate Lee, then blocking would leave him open for the rest of Lee's combo since the 1st Gate specifically allows the user to pull off a series of physical attacks at insane speeds obviously far beyond his normal speed hence the risk.
Lmao it's painful how stupid you sound here. The 1st Gate allows you to move faster and attack faster than normal, but how in the hell does that mean Neji or anyone will automatically be left open for the rest of the combo when he has successfully reacted to and blocked the second attack? Oh wait, it doesn't. The increased speed is so that he can have a chance to get past the person's guard. All you have to support that he'll be left open is Gaara taking a direct hit. :lol A direct hit is not a guard.
Oh yes, and if you actually READ that scan for once then you'll see that Gaara only got sent flying as high into the air as he did because Lee kept BARRAGING HIM WITH DIRECT HITS. How is he going to do this against someone who can block his initial strike? Smh. :lol You can cut the BS now.
Neji has no way to catch Lee's limbs or reduce the impact of the attack meaning a hasty Block would stagger him, unlike Kimimaro which means that he'd need to Block and counter attack faster than a 1st Gate enhanced Lee can attack and follow with another attack straight after Neji guard his initial attack.
Hasty block? Please stop. Neji can react to Lee. There is no hasty block. The rest is just your opinion backed with literally no facts.
telling me not to give Neji feats from superior Shinobis(which BTW I did not) and here you go giving him a feat from someone who is superior to him in terms of strength.
:lol Is Sasuke so much stronger than Neji that he can make a one handed guard against someone far above Lee in physical power while Neji can't make a full guard against Lee? No.
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One handed guard. Sasuke avoided all damage and still reacted to the follow up attack. Lee is not as strong as Naruto, nowhere near as strong. Please don't try and argue that Naruto being able to knock Sasuke to the ground equals the same occurring for Neji and Lee.
-Neji's reaction to Lee's top speed attacks must be a dodge or a counter so you don't have a point
-if you can't move your hands fast then how would you strike fast genius? let me get this clear. if you can strike fast then that means you can move your hands fast in general. not as fast when striking obviously but your hand movements speed would still be fast because you need to be able to move your ****ing hands fast to strike fast in the first place.
I don't care if it's just "fast". We are arguing if it's fast enough yet you keep on saying "it's fast". Lmao you clearly have nothing to provide when it comes to substance so just drop this point. You sound dumb.
and for the 100th times, I am not giving Neji Kakashi's damn feat. I just used as an example of what Neji can do. and where the **** was it stated in this Manga that you need to be on Kakashi's level to do it ?! yes it wasn't. what Kakashi did was that he simply just moved his hands fast to grab Sasuke's arm and throw him. and he had the reaction and speed and skills to do it. and Neji does not lack any of those so why the **** he wouldn't be able to do it?
What is the bold based on? Oh wait, nothing. This is just you being a desperate fanboy and it looks pathetic. You keep saying the same thing over and over again as if it's going to change how dumb your argument sounds. Don't ever mention Kakashi or his feat in this argument again until you start giving actual evidence for why Neji is fast enough to accomplish what he did. These are the facts:
-You say Neji is fast enough to do what Kakashi did yet you have zero evidence for this claim.
-You say Neji can't meet Lee's attacks w/ Gentle Fist even though you can't prove this either. Lee is kicking Neji. Neji can safely touch Lee's foot/ankle area unlike Sasuke's hand as Lee's foot is not covered by Raiton chakra.
-You say that Neji blocking Lee's first attack, which is what sets up the entire combo in the first place, doesn't matter and that he is still left wide open for another attack even the point of a block is to prevent that. You can't prove this either.
-Neji in CANON COULD NOT EVADE KN0 NARUTO's ATTACK YET YOU ARE STILL ARGUING THAT HE DODGES SOMEONE FASTER.
Can you stop now? The world isn't gonna end if you admit that Neji isn't as strong as you once thought.
When you can sure that it will break his guard and leave him unable to stop any successive attacks we can talk about this. "Lee is 5x more powerful" is irrelevant. "It sent heavier opponent flying" is irrelevant when that heavier opponent DID NOT GUARD. I already told you that you get sent flying back farther if you do NOT brace yourself properly for an impact. :lol
what happens if you blocked a powerful attack without enough strength?
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yes you get yourself flying in the air
and base Lee was able to do this to Gaara's sand with his palms
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and we have also enhanced Lee with the 1st whose attacks are 5x more powerful than base
Lmao it's painful how stupid you sound here. The 1st Gate allows you to move faster and attack faster than normal, but how in the hell does that mean Neji or anyone will automatically be left open for the rest of the combo when he has successfully reacted to and blocked the second attack? Oh wait, it doesn't. The increased speed is so that he can have a chance to get past the person's guard. All you have to support that he'll be left open is Gaara taking a direct hit. :lol A direct hit is not a guard.
Oh yes, and if you actually READ that scan for once then you'll see that Gaara only got sent flying as high into the air as he did because Lee kept BARRAGING HIM WITH DIRECT HITS. How is he going to do this against someone who can block his initial strike? Smh. :lol You can cut the BS now.
focus on the top left panel and the last panel and you can see that Gaara used his arm to shield himself, meaning he was BLOCKING Lee's barrage. yet with each kick, he was sent a distance upward in mid-air. and that's from someone who wears an armor and who is much heavier.
Lee's Gated attacks will follow each other continuously within a consecutive series after he Guards. Not to mention Neji's only logical manner of Guard would be similar to what Gaara does here on the upper left panel. This is due to the fact that Lee would try to strike Neji from below w/a Lotus kick. Meaning Neji would surely be elevated upwards with both arms held cross, meanwhile, Lee , still enhanced by the 1st Gate can do wat its intended to do, which is to pull off super fast consecutive strikes/moves
Hasty block? Please stop. Neji can react to Lee. There is no hasty block. The rest is just your opinion backed with literally no facts.
well if he can react very well to a faster opponent, why can't he react well enough to an inferior opponent in terms of speed to counter or dodge?
:lol Is Sasuke so much stronger than Neji that he can make a one handed guard against someone far above Lee in physical power while Neji can't make a full guard against Lee? No.
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One handed guard. Sasuke avoided all damage and still reacted to the follow up attack. Lee is not as strong as Naruto, nowhere near as strong. Please don't try and argue that Naruto being able to knock Sasuke to the ground equals the same occurring for Neji and Lee.
was that strike a top speed one? NO. so it is irrelevant
and please don't tell me you think that base Sasuke can block a top speed attack from Kn0 Naruto.
can Neji block the initial kick? yes. would he be standing on his feets after that? NO.
I don't care if it's just "fast". We are arguing if it's fast enough yet you keep on saying "it's fast". Lmao you clearly have nothing to provide when it comes to substance so just drop this point. You sound dumb.
like I said you need to be able to move your hands very fast in general to strike insanely fast in the first place. so if he can strike very fast than that means he can also grab fast. why? because he can move his ****ing hand fast and I know that striking and grabbing are different kinds of movements but both of them require speed and skills and Neji does not lack any of those
What is the bold based on? Oh wait, nothing. This is just you being a desperate fanboy and it looks pathetic. You keep saying the same thing over and over again as if it's going to change how dumb your argument sounds. Don't ever mention Kakashi or his feat in this argument again until you start giving actual evidence for why Neji is fast enough to accomplish what he did. These are the facts:
-You say Neji is fast enough to do what Kakashi did yet you have zero evidence for this claim.
-You say Neji can't meet Lee's attacks w/ Gentle Fist even though you can't prove this either. Lee is kicking Neji. Neji can safely touch Lee's foot/ankle area unlike Sasuke's hand as Lee's foot is not covered by Raiton chakra.
-You say that Neji blocking Lee's first attack, which is what sets up the entire combo in the first place, doesn't matter and that he is still left wide open for another attack even the point of a block is to prevent that. You can't prove this either.
-Neji in CANON COULD NOT EVADE KN0 NARUTO's ATTACK YET YOU ARE STILL ARGUING THAT HE DODGES SOMEONE FASTER.
Can you stop now? The world isn't gonna end if you admit that Neji isn't as strong as you once thought.
-Neji can not prevent Lee's combo with a direct block because once Lee's attack make contact it would send him flying and he would be left open for the combo
-irrelevant, because you have no proof that Lee is faster than CE Kn0 Naruto. and the version that fought Sasuke had only red eyes
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while the version that fought Neji had so much Kurama's Chakra covering his body.
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so logically it could be faster than the version that fought Sasuke or the same speed at least slightly inferrior because more Kyubi Chakra = more speed.
that's being said the version that fought Sasuke >= the version that fought Neji >>>> Lee/Sasuke's speed. so stop using this argument
and Lmao, just SHUT. THE . **** . UP. I had enough of this shit. many Sasuke fans were wanking the shit out of him yet I didn't see you lecture them. so let me get this clear just because I think that a certain character would beat another in a fictional fight and just because my opinion had disagreed with yours then that means that I am biased ?! pft to hell with your logic.
even when Mellomana who wasn't even a Neji fan stated his opinion you just kept insulting and calling him a biased fanboy. and the dude was not even a Neji fan.
is it really hard for you to write a proper response to an argument without being an ass?
Lmao I knew you were going to post Ay vs. Naruto, and it's a stupid example because Naruto was already in the air. Neji won't be. Thus he can brace himself. Try again.
focus on the top left panel and the last panel and you can see that Gaara used his arm to shield himself, meaning he was BLOCKING Lee's barrage. yet with each kick, he was sent a distance upward in mid-air. and that's from someone who wears an armor and who is much heavier.
Lmao you have got to be kidding me with this BS. DID GAARA BLOCK THE INITIAL HIT THAT OPENED HIM UP FOR THOSE COMBOS IN THE FIRST PLACE. YES OR NO. NO. So your point is trash and does NOT apply to a situation where Neji can block. No shit he was sent up into the air with every consecutive kick because he was already in the air from the kick he could not block.
Then we have the fact that his arms being held out in a blocking motion doesn't mean that he was successfully blocking all of Lee's hits. That's more terrible logic.
Lee's Gated attacks will follow each other continuously within a consecutive series after he Guards. Not to mention Neji's only logical manner of Guard would be similar to what Gaara does here on the upper left panel. This is due to the fact that Lee would try to strike Neji from below w/a Lotus kick. Meaning Neji would surely be elevated upwards with both arms held cross, meanwhile, Lee , still enhanced by the 1st Gate can do wat its intended to do, which is to pull off super fast consecutive strikes/moves
Irrelevant. Unless Lee can smash his guard and prevent him from reacting to any successive attacks you do not have a point.
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Tsunade and Ay punched Mu and Madara. They were both sent flying through the air. (And they were already IN the air unlike Neji here) Madara blocked and was able to land on his feet. Mu did NOT block and was sent crashing to the ground. Now stop using this stupid ass logic of "Neji gets hit thus he gets hit by the rest of the attacks". Not how it works. Neji gets hit, blocks, and then lands on his feet.
What's worse is that you can't even show that Lee would knock Neji off his feet in the first place. All you can show me are scans of Gaara being hit directly. :lol Stop being an idiot.
Hell, it is fast enough.
like I said you need to be able to move your hands very fast in general to strike insanely fast in the first place. so if he can strike very fast than that means he can also grab fast. why? because he can move his ****ing hand fast and I know that striking and grabbing are different kinds of movements but both of them require speed and skills and Neji does not lack any of those
Can you shut up already? This is not evidence. This is your opinion. "he can move his hands very fast thus he can grab Sasuke" is not evidence you imbecile. If you claimed you could run 1000m in 10 seconds and someone told you to provide proof, and you said "I am very fast thus I can do it" do you think that'd prove your point?
We had a multi page discussion about this very same topic where I addressed all of this BS. Repeating the same nonsense gives you no points. Don't ever talk about logic again in your life.
so I agreed that Lee's speed = Naruto's so Neji would not be able to dodge here but that doesn't mean that he would not be able to counter since neither Lee or Sasuke's top speed attacks are near the power of Naruto's strike
Oh wait, then we have the fact that you ALREADY CONCEDED to the argument of Lee being = or superior to CE Naruto in speed so why are you backtracking and saying "CE Naruto>VoTE Naruto>>>>Lee/Sasuke's speed" now? Oh wait, I know. It's because you are a biased, dishonest, delusional fanboy who will argue for his favorite character even if the creator of the Manga came on to this site and argued against him.
Lmao I knew you were going to post Ay vs. Naruto, and it's a stupid example because Naruto was already in the air. Neji won't be. Thus he can brace himself. Try again.
Lmao you have got to be kidding me with this BS. DID GAARA BLOCK THE INITIAL HIT THAT OPENED HIM UP FOR THOSE COMBOS IN THE FIRST PLACE. YES OR NO. NO. So your point is trash and does NOT apply to a situation where Neji can block. No shit he was sent up into the air with every consecutive kick because he was already in the air from the kick he could not block.
Then we have the fact that his arms being held out in a blocking motion doesn't mean that he was successfully blocking all of Lee's hits. That's more terrible logic.
nope, nothing wrong with the Raikage vs Naruto example.
Lee is going to try and kick Neji upward in the air meaning that the friction won't help Neji to stand on his feet after the attack and Gated Lee would try to kick Neji in the chin w/Lotus kick meaning the only manner of Guard available for Neji would be similar to What Gaara does in the upper left panel here with his both arms crossed
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This type of Block would still allow Lee enhanced by 1st Gate to elevate him
Uh, no.
-Lee attacks.
-Neji either meets his attack with Gentle Fist.
Or
-Lee attacks.
-Neji blocks.
-If Lee tries to attack again then the above happens.
and then Naruto wiped the floor with him after that
like I said, would Neji be able to block? yes. would he stand on his feet after that ? NO
Irrelevant. Unless Lee can smash his guard and prevent him from reacting to any successive attacks you do not have a point.
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Tsunade and Ay punched Mu and Madara. They were both sent flying through the air. (And they were already IN the air unlike Neji here) Madara blocked and was able to land on his feet. Mu did NOT block and was sent crashing to the ground. Now stop using this stupid ass logic of "Neji gets hit thus he gets hit by the rest of the attacks". Not how it works. Neji gets hit, blocks, and then lands on his feet.
What's worse is that you can't even show that Lee would knock Neji off his feet in the first place. All you can show me are scans of Gaara being hit directly. :lol Stop being an idiot.
Can you shut up already? This is not evidence. This is your opinion. "he can move his hands very fast thus he can grab Sasuke" is not evidence you imbecile. If you claimed you could run 1000m in 10 seconds and someone told you to provide proof, and you said "I am very fast thus I can do it" do you think that'd prove your point?
nope, but if I said and proved that I am so fast that I could 500m in 5 seconds(which is ridiculous ) then anyone with common sense would know that I can do it.
I already said that Neji can move his hands fast to the point that he can strike 64 times in 64 different spots precisely in a matter of seconds so he should be able to react fast and move his hands to grab Sasuke's arm. simple
You didn't support a damn thing. You also ignored everything about Neji touching Lee's foot area when he's about to strike him.
I already said that once Lee's attack make contact it would send him flying
We had a multi page discussion about this very same topic where I addressed all of this BS. Repeating the same nonsense gives you no points. Don't ever talk about logic again in your life.
okay, Vote Naruto is faster than CE Naruto and has better feats but CE Kn0 Naruto had more Kyuubi Chakra. and more Kyubi Chakra = more speed. so he should be at least slightly inferior than Vote Kn0 and much superior than Lee/Sasuke's speed
so Vote Kn0 Naruto > CE kn0 Naruto >>> Sasuke/Lee in terms of speed
Oh wait, then we have the fact that you ALREADY CONCEDED to the argument of Lee being = or superior to CE Naruto in speed so why are you backtracking and saying "CE Naruto>VoTE Naruto>>>>Lee/Sasuke's speed" now? Oh wait, I know. It's because you are a biased, dishonest, delusional fanboy who will argue for his favorite character even if the creator of the Manga came on to this site and argued against him.
yeah just like the fact when you conceded that CE Neji > CE Sasuke but changed your mind later. sadly the same shit logic doesn't apply on you huh?
and you kept saying how MS Sasuke would neg Neji in a thread that has nothing both of them. and you kept moaning how Vote Sasuke is far superior when the main subject was about CE Neji vs CE Sasuke.
nope, nothing wrong with the Raikage vs Naruto example.
Lee is going to try and kick Neji upward in the air meaning that the friction won't help Neji to stand on his feet after the attack and Gated Lee would try to kick Neji in the chin w/Lotus kick meaning the only manner of Guard available for Neji would be similar to What Gaara does in the upper left panel here with his both arms crossed
Lmao, no. Friction isn't what you are supposed to be arguing against. Have you ever heard of anyone bracing themselves? :lol If you take a hit directly you will move farther than you would had you not taken that hit directly.
No, not irrelevant. Lee can only land that fast combo by putting his opponent into a position where he can't recover. He cannot do that thus his combo is interrupted and he is swiftly defeated. Period.
nope, but if I said and proved that I am so fast that I could 500m in 5 seconds then anyone with common sense would know that I can do it.
Lmao don't change the analogy. Did you provide any kind of specific examples or reasonings why your argument of Neji being fast enough to do what Kakashi did is true? No. So there is nothing to discuss here.
I already said that Neji can move his hands fast to the point that he can strike 64 times in 64 differint spot pecisely in a matter of sceonds so he should be able to react fast and move his hands to grab Sasuke's arm. simple
We are not talking about striking. Thus your specific example goes out of the window leaving you with the vague "he's fast so he can do it" bullshit response.
I already said that once Lee's attack make contact it would send him flying
Are you stupid? If Gentle Fist hits Lee's foot area he'll take the damage and wont' be able to continue his combo regardless of Neji being sent flying. :lol
okay Vote Naruto is faster than CE Naruto and has a better feats but CE Kn0 Naruto had more Kyubi Chakra. and more Kyubi Chakra = more speed. so he should be at least slightly inferrior than Vote Kn0 and much supperior than Lee/Sasuke's speed
so Vote Kn0 Naruto > CE kn0 Naruto >>> Sasuke/Lee in terms of speed
Nope. What is blatantly shown is that VoTE Naruto has superior feats (repeatedly blitzing someone faster than CE Neji), thus he is superior. Not interested in your make believe horseshit like "CE Naruto had more chakra thus he is faster". CE Neji can keep up w/ CE Naruto's speed. VoTE 2-T Sasuke was getting blitzed by VoTE KN0. 2-T Sasuke and Neji are on the same speed tier. So how are KN0 from CE and VoTE on the same level? :lol "should be slightly inferior" shut your ass up and start arguing with something that isn't your biased opinion. What is also shown is that Lee and Sasuke have superior feats to CE Naruto.
Go address everything you ignored when you conceded this point or I'll just assume that you can't, thus you still concede this point.
yeah just like the fact when you conceded that CE Neji > CE Sasuke but changed your mind later. sadly the same shit logic doesn't apply on you huh?
and you kept mentiong how MS Sasuke would neg Neji in a thread that have nothing both of them. and you kept moaning how Vote Sasuke is far supperior when the main subject was about CE Neji vs CE Sasuke.
Someone actually provided evidence for the contrary being true. What's even funnier is I didn't concede anything about CE Neji being superior to CE Sasuke. I initially stated that CE Sasuke was inferior and someone showed me that I was wrong. Learn what the word "concede" means before you use it you joke of a poster. You were proved wrong when it came to the Naruto>>Lee in speed. But once that became your only way to prove your argument you decided to switch up in the middle of our argument without addressing what came before. Lmao what a disgusting fanboy. Don't deflect from your blatant dishonesty.
I stated once that VoTE Sasuke was superior in my initial post. You, being the fanboy that you are, replied to that and created an entire argument out of it only to abandon the argument and start arguing CE Sasuke once you realized that VoTE Sasuke would whoop Neji's ass. :lol lmao FOH. You've already proven that you can't be taken seriously. You'll switch up your stance mid argument when you are getting cornered. All because you don't want to admit that your fav gets washed.
Fanboys in a nutshell. Get proved wrong in one argument, go back and change your mind on another one without addressing what proved them wrong in the first place.
Lmao, no. Friction isn't what you are supposed to be arguing against. Have you ever heard of anyone bracing themselves? :lol If you take a hit directly you will move farther than you would had you not taken that hit directly.
You missed the point. Lee is going to kick him upward in the air. So Neji's situation would be no different from Naruto in his fight with the Raikage when he tried to brace himself in mid air, because the force would be directed upward in the air so Neji would not be able to make proper stance to brace himself.
You also ignored the fact that Lee would try to kick Neji's chin with a upper-cut kick meaning Neji would need to guard like Gaara tries to in the upper left panel here with arms crossed downward..
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He would still get staggered and elevated by Lees kick and be left open for Lee's combos.
No, not irrelevant. Lee can only land that fast combo by putting his opponent into a position where he can't recover. He cannot do that thus his combo is interrupted and he is swiftly defeated. Period.
His opponent would be staggered and elevated and damaged with each kick so yeah, he would be in a position where he can't recover
We are not talking about striking. Thus your specific example goes out of the window leaving you with the vague "he's fast so he can do it" bullshit response.
We are talking about hand movements speed. If he was able to strike insanely fast, then he should be able to move his hands fast, in General, to grab fast.
All he needs to do is to move his hands fast and touch Sasuke's arm before Chidori makes contact. Not really a big deal like you make it sounds like. Sasuke's speed is not on level that Neji would not be able to react well enough to counter when Neji can casually react to a much faster opponent
Are you stupid? If Gentle Fist hits Lee's foot area he'll take the damage and wont' be able to continue his combo regardless of Neji being sent flying. :lol
Neji would need to channel chakra to cause a major damage, a slight touch without channelling enough Chakra into the network is not going to cause any noteworthy damage. The reason that Hinata's slight touch didn't cause any damage to Neji
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Neji can't channel Chakra through his leg because once Lee's attack make contact it would send him flying
Nope. What is blatantly shown is that VoTE Naruto has superior feats (repeatedly blitzing someone faster than CE Neji), thus he is superior. Not interested in your make believe horseshit like "CE Naruto had more chakra thus he is faster". CE Neji can keep up w/ CE Naruto's speed. VoTE 2-T Sasuke was getting blitzed by VoTE KN0. 2-T Sasuke and Neji are on the same speed tier. So how are KN0 from CE and VoTE on the same level? :lol "should be slightly inferior" shut your ass up and start arguing with something that isn't your biased opinion. What is also shown is that Lee and Sasuke have superior feats to CE Naruto.
Go address everything you ignored when you conceded this point or I'll just assume that you can't, thus you still concede this point.
More Kyuubi Chakra = more speed, that is a fact
The version that fought Sasuke had less Chakra than the version that fought Neji otherwise there would be a Chakra cloak covering him. And it is obvious that the version that fought Neji had more power than the version that fought Sasuke ( causing cracks on the ground by just running and managed to break through an incomplete rotation). The reason that Vote kn0 Naruto was faster is because that base Vote Naruto was faster than CE Naruto. But CE kn0 should be slightly slower than Vote Naruto since it has more Chakra.
And the reason that Neji was not blitzed like Sasuke is because Neji was much more skilled and has a better reflex and reaction, it wasn't until Sasuke enhanced his reaction speed till he managed to solo that version of Naruto with ease
And Before you mention reacting to Gaara's sand. Neji can react to Lee with 1st Gate. Lee w/ 1st >> Gaara's sand in terms of speed
and Neji was walking casually through dozens of clones and Naruto clearly stated that he wasn't able to catch him at all
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Someone actually provided evidence for the contrary being true. What's even funnier is I didn't concede anything about CE Neji being superior to CE Sasuke. I initially stated that CE Sasuke was inferior and someone showed me that I was wrong. Learn what the word "concede" means before you use it you joke of a poster. You were proved wrong when it came to the Naruto>>Lee in speed. But once that became your only way to prove your argument you decided to switch up in the middle of our argument without addressing what came before. Lmao what a disgusting fanboy. Don't deflect from your blatant dishonesty.
I stated once that VoTE Sasuke was superior in my initial post. You, being the fanboy that you are, replied to that and created an entire argument out of it only to abandon the argument and start arguing CE Sasuke once you realized that VoTE Sasuke would whoop Neji's ass. :lol lmao FOH. You've already proven that you can't be taken seriously. You'll switch up your stance mid argument when you are getting cornered. All because you don't want to admit that your fav gets washed.
Lmao , please. You were obviously going to argue for Sasuke as usual until you saw neosmith post. Then you, the insecure fanboy you are, kept moaning how Vote Sasuke is superior when the main subject was about CE Neji vs CE Sasuke. Just because you felt a little salty than no one was wanking him. When someone wank Sasuke, it is okay. But when someone States something about Neji, you keep insulting and accuse others, who aren't themselves Neji fans, for being biased fanboys. Really? Just who the **** you think you are ? gtfo
And I agreed that Vote Naruto is much faster than CE because I missed the part that CE Naruto had more Kyuubi Chakra
And the reason that I abandoned that argument was because I wanted to discuss the main subject of the thread after you changed your mind. SRA Neji would wipe the floor with Vote Sasuke w/o the Cursemark, and CE Neji negs CE Sasuke any time a day. Keep that in mind
You missed the point. Lee is going to kick him upward in the air. So Neji's situation would be no
And I agreed that Vote Naruto is much faster than CE because I missed the part that CE Naruto had more Kyuubi Chakra
And the reason that I abandoned that argument was because I wanted to discuss the main subject of the thread after you changed your mind. SRA Neji would wipe the floor with Vote Sasuke w/o the Cursemark, and CE Neji negs CE Sasuke any time a day. Keep that in mind
I admit. Neji negging Sasuke was just exaggerating. but he would still win, because Sasuke's speed is not on level to blitz Neji who didn't acknowledge Lee's speed w/o the weights as anything worthy of a challenge, and Lee clearly stated that he needed extreme lotus to win against Neji meaning any lower level of Taijutsu won't work on him, and that includes the initial lotus where the user is using the 1st Gate. long story short Neji can react to Lee w/ 1st Gate speed. Lee W/ 1st gate speed >> base Lee's , so he can easily handle Sasuke's speed which is just a copy paste of base Lee's speed.
that's being said I think Neji would win. but you are right. it definitely won't be a stomp though. probably high dif
I admit. Neji negging Sasuke was just exaggerating. but he would still win, because Sasuke's speed is not on level to blitz Neji who didn't acknowledge Lee's speed w/o the weights as anything worthy of a challenge, and Lee clearly stated that he needed extreme lotus to win against Neji meaning any lower level of Taijutsu won't work on him, and that includes the initial lotus where the user is using the 1st Gate. long story short Neji can react to Lee w/ 1st Gate speed. Lee W/ 1st gate speed >> base Lee's , so he can easily handle Sasuke's speed which is just a copy paste of base Lee's speed.
that's being said I think Neji would win. but you are right. it definitely won't be a stomp though. probably high dif
You missed the point. Lee is going to kick him upward in the air. So Neji's situation would be no different from Naruto in his fight with the Raikage when he tried to brace himself in mid air, because the force would be directed upward in the air so Neji would not be able to make proper stance to brace himself.
You also ignored the fact that Lee would try to kick Neji's chin with a upper-cut kick meaning Neji would need to guard like Gaara tries to in the upper left panel here with arms crossed downward..
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He would still get staggered and elevated by Lees kick and be left open for Lee's combos.
No, I didn't miss the point. You just make zero sense. Naruto started in the air. Neji started where? Oh yes. ON. THE. GROUND. The way someone braces themselves for impact has jack shit to do with where the force is coming from. I also didn't ignore anything. Where Lee is going to kick is irrelevant as he won't break Neji's guard, thus none of the above ever happens.
Until you provide reasoning that makes sense or until you show me Lee or anyone kicking their target and landing combos like that after their first hit has been blocked and fended off there is nothing more for you to add to this point. Repeating your opinion over and over and over again isn't going to get you anywhere.
oh and btw your Ay example is even shitter because Ay is a physical monster. Lee is not. :lol
His opponent would be staggered and elevated and damaged with each kick so yeah, he would be in a position where he can't recover
We are talking about hand movements speed. If he was able to strike insanely fast, then he should be able to move his hands fast, in General, to grab fast.
"In general" isn't specific evidence. It's just that, a generalization. Try again.
All he needs to do is to move his hands fast and touch Sasuke's arm before Chidori makes contact. Not really a big deal like you make it sounds like. Sasuke's speed is not on level that Neji would not be able to react well enough to counter when Neji can casually react to a much faster opponent
I'll wait for you to prove this cause I'm sick and tired of your opinions.
Neji would need to channel chakra to cause a major damage, a slight touch without channelling enough Chakra into the network is not going to cause any noteworthy damage. The reason that Hinata's slight touch didn't cause any damage to Neji
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Neji can't channel Chakra through his leg because once Lee's attack make contact it would send him flying
:lol Now you are even downplaying the capabilities of the same jutsu were just wanking for over 5 pages straight because it's convenient for you. Did Neji take damage? Yes. Did he recoil? Yes. That's all that is needed for Lee's combo to end. What's worse is that this is a shitty comparison. Neji partially dodged her hit and only touched her slightly. Neji will be making direct contact with Lee's foot. The fact he gets sent flying is irrelevant as that doesn't change the fact that he made contact, and him having to channel chakra throughout the entire leg to do significant enough damage to make Lee recoil is an assumption based on nothing.
This guy has been wanking the hell out of Neji talking about how he disables Chidori cause of his god speed but when I basically take that argument and use it for him damaging Lee's foot/ankle area "oh no no no no you are soooo wrong". My God is it really this hard for you to make an argument and stick with it until someone has convinced you otherwise?
More Kyuubi Chakra = more speed, that is a fact
The version that fought Sasuke had less Chakra than the version that fought Neji otherwise there would be a Chakra cloak covering him. And it is obvious that the version that fought Neji had more power than the version that fought Sasuke ( causing cracks on the ground by just running and managed to break through an incomplete rotation). The reason that Vote kn0 Naruto was faster is because that base Vote Naruto was faster than CE Naruto. But CE kn0 should be slightly slower than Vote Naruto since it has more Chakra.
Sorry buddy. That's an assertion you can't prove. Not interested in your garbage comparisons. Just actual evidence. Naruto making a cloak of the chakra he took doesn't indicate that he possessed more chakra, it indicates that he released the chakra he obtained into a makeshift cloak unlike what he did every other time he used KN0. Naruto's features are what determine how close to the Kyuubi he is and when in an actual KN0 mode Naruto has slits in his eyes, he has claws and his whiskers are more defined. These are the facts.
"VoTE Base Naruto>CE Naruto"
"VoTE KN0 can blitz someone on Neji's speed tier"
"CE KN0 could not blitz Neji"
Nothing more needs to be said here. "More Kyuubi chakra" is just another pathetic excuse you came up with at the very last minute. Just stop. There are plenty of times in this Manga where Kurama has given Naruto chakra and a cloak didn't form.
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What's next? Are you going to claim that Naruto got more chakra against Neji than he did against Madara? Just because one had a cloak? Despite the fact that he went from almost 0 chakra to being capable of using over a 100 clones that all possessed their own Chou Oodama Rasengan? :lol Can't wait to here more idiotic excuses. Vote Naruto and CE Naruto are far apart in terms of speed.
And the reason that Neji was not blitzed like Sasuke is because Neji was much more skilled and has a better reflex and reaction, it wasn't until Sasuke enhanced his reaction speed till he managed to solo that version of Naruto with ease
Based on literally nothing. Not only was Neji reacting to him, but in terms of foot speed he obviously wasn't very far behind Naruto based on them being able to clash as they did. :lol So many excuses.
"Neji has so much better reflex cuz he reacted to a Naruto who isn't even on par w/ the Naruto who could overwhelm Sasuke"
Man you fanboys kill me.
And Before you mention reacting to Gaara's sand. Neji can react to Lee with 1st Gate. Lee w/ 1st >> Gaara's sand in terms of speed
Neji was walking casually through dozens of clones and Naruto clearly stated that he wasn't able to catch him at all
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meanwhile Sasuke w/ 2T and Lee's speed was struggling against them a little bit
More trash logic. Neji knew where the original is thus he avoided the clones and went straight for him. Sasuke didn't know where the original was thus he tried to fight off every clone on his own. :lol Then we have the fact that Post CE, Post Sannin Battle Naruto>CE Naruto. Try. Again. Neji does not have any reaction feats that put him on any different tier than the likes of Rock Lee and CE Sasuke.
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We've already seen Neji's reaction when he gets attacked from multiple sides like Sasuke was and he didn't evade or counter shit. He needed to use Rotation, a technique that Sasuke does not have. So stop making this comparison.
Lmao , please. You were obviously going to argue for Sasuke as usual until you saw neosmith post. Then you, the insecure fanboy you are, kept moaning how Vote Sasuke is superior when the main subject was about CE Neji vs CE Sasuke. Just because you felt a little salty than no one was wanking him. When someone wank Sasuke, it is okay. But when someone States something about Neji, you keep insulting and accuse others, who aren't themselves Neji fans, for being biased fanboys. Really? Just who the **** you think you are ? gtfo
Lmaooo stop being a crybaby bitch please. I mentioned VoTE Sasuke once in my first post. I agreed that CE Sasuke would lose before I even posted. "you were obviously going to..." lmao. Shut your dumbass up kiddo. What are you now? A psychic? Don't make up stories on top of making up nonsense arguments. You being the insecure disgusting little fanboy you are, decided to reply to the part of my post that wasn't CE Sasuke vs. CE Neji because you were probably crying inside that I didn't wank your lord as much as you did.
And I agreed that Vote Naruto is much faster than CE because I missed the part that CE Naruto had more Kyuubi Chakra
No, you agreed because you were proven wrong. Simple as that. But now that you need this point to continue arguing you backtracked. Just admit it. :lol
And the reason that I abandoned that argument was because I wanted to discuss the main subject of the thread after you changed your mind. SRA Neji would wipe the floor with Vote Sasuke w/o the Cursemark, and CE Neji negs CE Sasuke any time a day. Keep that in mind
The arguments provided have proven both those wrong. All you can do is make garbage excuses because you are disgusting little fanboy who can't argue with some sort of integrity. Is it really that hard to form an argument that doesn't sound like you came up with it while your right hand was in your pants? Jesus.
