Sasuke vs Neji in chunin exam
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You guys constantly going back and forth about Rotation and Chidori clashing. Even if Chidori can pierce Rotation (Sadly physics don't apply in Naruto) why wouldn't Neji be able to avoid chidori all together?
Chuunin Sasuke's Chidori limited his mobility and agility based on what the manga has illustrated. Its not like he can be as agile as he was during base Lee's taijutsu. If this was the case then yes I would say Sasuke would have no issue landing Chidori. However, this is not the case
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Chidori is not a wide area attack its a focused attacked based on hand placement. If neji was to move sideways are you really going to sit here and say "Chuunin exam" sasuke can move and keep track of him? If so show me the feats because based on the manga he can't
I thought it was strictly chuunin exam and sooner.
Chuunin Sasuke's Chidori limited his mobility and agility based on what the manga has illustrated. Its not like he can be as agile as he was during base Lee's taijutsu. If this was the case then yes I would say Sasuke would have no issue landing Chidori. However, this is not the case
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Chidori is not a wide area attack its a focused attacked based on hand placement. If neji was to move sideways are you really going to sit here and say "Chuunin exam" sasuke can move and keep track of him? If so show me the feats because based on the manga he can't
I thought it was strictly chuunin exam and sooner.
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I always thought Neji would get the upper hand, unless Sasuke waits till he stops rotating. He hasn't learned genjutsu yet.
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No difference. His Rotation only gets larger once Part 2 hits.
regardless if Chidori can break through Kaiten or not, Neji can just dodge the damn thing.
Chidori take a shit load of time to prepare, and the user just concentrate the lighting Chakra in his arm and run towards his enemy from a distance to thrust it into them. if we are talking about CE Sasuke then he can only use it with a thrust. not as a melee like vote Sasuke
Neji can simply react to it since Sasuke's speed is not on the level to blitz Neji, who didn't acknowledge Lee's speed w/o weights as anything noteworthy of a challenge, adding the fact that Lee needed Gates to defeat him. so Sasuke's striking speed which is just a copy-paste of base Lee's speed is not a factor here, since Neji can easily handle it. heck even base Naruto could [
and the 2T Sharingan can be countered with the Byakugan which is able to follow up with high speed movements the reason why Neji activated his Byakugan to follow up with 5th gated Lee's high speed [
also the movements of Sasuke w/ Chidori on his hand would not be as reflexive as his movements w/ empty-hands. since he needs to concentrate on a massive amount of lighting Chakra in his hand. and The lightning chakra has been shown on occasions to damage the user's hand, peeling the skin and causing it to smolder slightly [
>Sasuke attempts Chidori
>Neji would simply react to it
>press a chakra point to disable it
>GG
Chidori take a shit load of time to prepare, and the user just concentrate the lighting Chakra in his arm and run towards his enemy from a distance to thrust it into them. if we are talking about CE Sasuke then he can only use it with a thrust. not as a melee like vote Sasuke
Neji can simply react to it since Sasuke's speed is not on the level to blitz Neji, who didn't acknowledge Lee's speed w/o weights as anything noteworthy of a challenge, adding the fact that Lee needed Gates to defeat him. so Sasuke's striking speed which is just a copy-paste of base Lee's speed is not a factor here, since Neji can easily handle it. heck even base Naruto could [
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]. also Neji obviously has a superior striking speed here and the 2T Sharingan can be countered with the Byakugan which is able to follow up with high speed movements the reason why Neji activated his Byakugan to follow up with 5th gated Lee's high speed [
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], adding the fact that it has a 360 degree of vision so you can forget any scenarios where Sasuke is being able to maneuver Neji. basically both Neji and Sasuke has the reaction speed here.also the movements of Sasuke w/ Chidori on his hand would not be as reflexive as his movements w/ empty-hands. since he needs to concentrate on a massive amount of lighting Chakra in his hand. and The lightning chakra has been shown on occasions to damage the user's hand, peeling the skin and causing it to smolder slightly [
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]. so to put simply, he would not be able to react to Neji's fast striking speed while enduring all that>Sasuke attempts Chidori
>Neji would simply react to it
>press a chakra point to disable it
>GG
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-No, Chidori does not take a long time to prepare.
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Done before transformed Gaara can reach Sasuke. Transformed Gaara is faster than
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Does it even faster the next time.
-You've yet to show that Neji can dodge Chidori unless it's used from far away. Instead of arguing like you have common sense you post scans of Sasuke fighting in Taijutsu. How does Naruto being able to react to Sasuke's punches mean that Neji can dodge Chidori? Chidori is not a punch. Chidori is not hand to hand. Stop making these shitty comparisons. Meanwhile the Sasuke side has consistently shown that Neji could NOT complete a rotation when matched against someone of Naruto's speed, and Naruto at that time is not faster than Weightless Lee. Thus Sasuke puts Neji in the same position and Neji dies. Simple as that. You guys love to whine and moan about 5G Lee even though this is not Lee. Lee needs Ura Renge because if he engages Neji in hand to hand he will die. Sasuke doesn't need that level of speed because Chidori prevents Neji from engaging him in hand to hand. You say "b-b-but he can disable the chakra points" but you've yet to show any level of speed from Neji that lets him accomplish this. All you and Melanoma can provide are scans of Neji fodderizing Hinata and Base Naruto as evidence he does the same to Sasuke while ignoring the obvious difference in power between them. Like, is it really this hard to put your biases aside and argue with honesty? Oh wait, this is Narutobase. Of course it's too hard for you guys. :lol
-You've yet to prove that the Byakugan can predict movements akin to the Sharingan. Byakugan's abilities have been highlighted and the ability to actually read movements is not one of them. Neji being able to react faster with it on isn't proof that he's reading movements. It's proof that it increases his perception and that's exactly what it does, hence the 360 degree vision. By feats VoTE Sasuke's reaction speed shits on Neji's. (Reacting to and consistently weaving KN0) By feats CE Sasuke's speed is overall easily superior to Neji's. (DB stats and is as fast as Lee)
-You've yet to prove that Chidori slows Sasuke down. Irrelevant drivel.
>Sasuke attempts Chidori.
>Neji rotates.
>He gets hit.
>He dies.
Or according to your argument:
>Sasuke attempts Chidori.
>Neji tries to close off his chakra points
>Sasuke rips right through his fingers, arm and chest since Neji doesn't possess the capability to do to Sasuke what Itachi did to Sasuke, which was literally your only tangible piece of evidence. :lol
And I'm going to accept your concession on our little side argument about 3-Tomoe Sasuke vs. SRA Neji since I see no response as this entire post deals with CE Sasuke vs. CE Neji. The only version of Sasuke PTS Neji will ever be able to defeat is Sasuke before he learned Chidori. End of story.
If any more Neji fans want to come help these guys out it'd probably be appreciated since it's very clear that the ones currently posting have no idea what they've been talking about for the past 8 pages. :lol
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1-Gaara waited until after Sasuke finished forming Chidori before he attacked.
2-No proof he did the secound one faster...and Byakugan would see that he was building up Chakra in his arm...Gaara was also waiting on him.
3-A battle in the treetops with the opponent jumping in a straight line towards him = A battle on the flat ground of the Chuunin exams stadium?
4-Neji can attack the part of his arm that isn't covered in lightning Chakra...his fingers don't get ripped off.
5-Databook stats are not for comparison between characters.
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Sasuke hasn't even begun charging his Chidori. Gaara is still talking.
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Sasuke finishes charging his Chidori and Gaara STILL hasn't finished his monologue. So unless you are going to argue that Gaara took a long pause in between his final statement and his previous one you don't have a point. What does Byakugan seeing he's building up chakra have to do with anything here? You don't need a special eye to see the clearly visible lightning chakra being gathered in Sasuke's arm. What does Gaara waiting on him have to do with anything? Nothing, because Gaara's movements aren't how the charge time is determined in this panel.
3. Did I say anything about Gaara or his fight w/ Sasuke in that paragraph? No. I didn't. So i don't know what you think you are responding to.
4. No, that's exactly what you and the rest of the people supporting Neji have yet to prove. That Neji is fast enough to evade and counter Chidori. Not sure why you guys can't understand the fact that you actually need to support this claim with some evidence.
5. Databook stats combined w/ feats are exactly how you compare between characters. That won't stop being true because you say so. I also love how you ignored the fact that feats literally show that Sasuke moves faster than Neji does. :lol
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1&2-The first set of scans failed at proving anything. And the exact time-frame for second set is? Attack when he first starts building it up...before it's visible to normal eyes.
3-"You've yet to show that Neji can dodge Chidori unless it's used from far away."
4-How about you prove that he isn't. Also prove that Chidori will pierce Neji's defense.
5-It's not what i say. It's what the people who translated the stats pointed out when they were first released.
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1. Gaara begins talking and in the middle of his monologue Sasuke begins and finishes charging up Chidori. Like I just said in the post you just responded to. The bold is nonsense that you just made up. There is no "chidori build up before it's visible to normal eyes". :lol Chidori build up is always visible as the entire point of the jutsu is to build lightning chakra into the hand.
2. Where does that mention anything about Gaara? He claimed that Neji would dodge Chidori from close range and I said that he has yet to support that while all the people arguing for Sasuke have supported the opposite. :lol
3. No need for me to prove that he isn't. It's up to the people who made the claim in the first place to show that Neji has the speed feats to support said action. He does not have the speed feats thus you guys do not have an argument. The fact you tried the age old shifting of burden of proof BS tactic shows me that you have no evidence, cause then you would've just posted the evidence. :lol
What's worse is that me and others have already shown Neji's speed in comparison to Sasuke's just to address this stupid point despite burden of proof not being on us so no, there's no chance in hell Neji does what you think he does and if you disagree then refute those points. That simple. Same goes for Chidori piercing Kaiten. All this has been addressed. Don't post if you aren't gonna read what's been being repeated for 5 pages now. :lol
5. Yes, because I'm going to take your word for it. Lmao. Doesn't matter regardless because the Manga has explicitly shown that Lee, and by extension Sasuke, is faster than Neji in terms of movement speed. That is unless a Neji fan would love to post a speed feat from CE Neji that surpasses what Lee/Sasuke did to Gaara's Sand.
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For the 4th time: Here are feats showing Neji capable of avoiding Chidori. You just choose to ignore them.
Secondly, Sasuke's mobility with Chidori based on feats is extremely limited. This is something you have yet to disprove. The argument constantly speaks of rotation and chidori clashing but the reality is Neji can simply evade it based on feats provided.
Yes Sasuke is extremely agile and fast but with chidori he loses his mobility. Disprove this claim because based on feats he is only capable of straight forward direct movement. Not lateral and evasive maneuvers at the speeds indicated when combating gaara's sand
For the 4th time: Here are feats showing Neji capable of avoiding Chidori. You just choose to ignore them.
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Secondly, Sasuke's mobility with Chidori based on feats is extremely limited. This is something you have yet to disprove. The argument constantly speaks of rotation and chidori clashing but the reality is Neji can simply evade it based on feats provided.
Yes Sasuke is extremely agile and fast but with chidori he loses his mobility. Disprove this claim because based on feats he is only capable of straight forward direct movement. Not lateral and evasive maneuvers at the speeds indicated when combating gaara's sand
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How the hell are these feats that show he can avoid Chidori? I've seen like 90 posts with this same scan, when Sasuke was blitzing Gaara and Naruto KN0 and all couldn't do shit to him speed wise.
The difference is Neji is evading all together. Gaara blitzed Sasuke head on chidori vs tailed beast Claw. Straight forward movement vs Straight forward movement. What Im stating is Neji can simply move laterally to avoid him all together due to Sasuke showing NO FEATS or mention of him capable of maneuvering WITH Chidori in hand with the agility he had as base lee. Yes in a straight forward lung Sasuke is extremely fast but his movements are limited based on feats regarding Chidori
The scans I showed clearly show Neji is capable of excellent foot position and agility movements to easily side step an opponent. Not sure why Im explaining this but if you've done martial arts or sports you may understand
Alright you win. I can only go off what Kishimoto produced and neji wasn't exactly part of the wank train
. Reading through a lot of your comments its quite sad to see such disrespect and condescending tone. If you weren't serious id find it funny. Chuunin Sasuke wank was unbelievable so naturally the K11 background characters won't have definitive feats and only have some feats with minimal hype.
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^^^ Those scans you posted are scans of Neji overwhelming Naruto in close combat, and of Neji clashing with an enhanced speed Naruto in close combat. How does that translate to him dodging Chidori? Why is it so hard for you to explain the nonsense you post? :lol This has been asked of you multiple times but you keep ignoring it and crying about how I'm the one ignoring your points. :lol The irony.
-Scans 1 & 2: Neji attacking Naruto and knocking him to the floor before he can react IS NOT EVIDENCE that he can DODGE SASUKE. Two completely different actions. Two completely different people. Naruto is NOT Sasuke. Sasuke is NOT Naruto. How does Neji attacking NARUTO support him being able to dodge SASUKE? Are you even reading the shit you are posting? Or are you just trolling? Lmao.
-Scans 3, 4 & 5: Same thing as the above. Neji ATTACKING does not show he can dodge Chidori. Neji CLASHING with Naruto does NOT show that he can DODGE Chidori. Don't even try to argue that this means Naruto=Neji in speed, because it doesn't. Clashing with someone doesn't indicate equal speed. That's the only reasonable and relevant point you can try to make here.
-Sasuke's mobility with Chidori is irrelevant. What kind of mobility are you even talking about? Being able to run in different directions at top speed? Obviously he can't do that. However no one said he could do that in the first place so I have no idea why you think you have some groundbreaking debate ending point. :lol Sasuke's speed is what is important and it's speed that Neji won't evade from a close distance nor will he evade if Sasuke uses another jutsu to force Neji to act, thus giving him less time to react to the follow up Chidori. Also a point you've consistently ignored.
You keep on going on and on and on about how it "proves Neji's agility" yet you punk out each and every time you are challenged to EXPLAIN how it does. Any idiot can post a scan, say that it proves his point but that means nothing without an explanation
-Scans 1 & 2: Neji attacking Naruto and knocking him to the floor before he can react IS NOT EVIDENCE that he can DODGE SASUKE. Two completely different actions. Two completely different people. Naruto is NOT Sasuke. Sasuke is NOT Naruto. How does Neji attacking NARUTO support him being able to dodge SASUKE? Are you even reading the shit you are posting? Or are you just trolling? Lmao.
-Scans 3, 4 & 5: Same thing as the above. Neji ATTACKING does not show he can dodge Chidori. Neji CLASHING with Naruto does NOT show that he can DODGE Chidori. Don't even try to argue that this means Naruto=Neji in speed, because it doesn't. Clashing with someone doesn't indicate equal speed. That's the only reasonable and relevant point you can try to make here.
-Sasuke's mobility with Chidori is irrelevant. What kind of mobility are you even talking about? Being able to run in different directions at top speed? Obviously he can't do that. However no one said he could do that in the first place so I have no idea why you think you have some groundbreaking debate ending point. :lol Sasuke's speed is what is important and it's speed that Neji won't evade from a close distance nor will he evade if Sasuke uses another jutsu to force Neji to act, thus giving him less time to react to the follow up Chidori. Also a point you've consistently ignored.
You keep on going on and on and on about how it "proves Neji's agility" yet you punk out each and every time you are challenged to EXPLAIN how it does. Any idiot can post a scan, say that it proves his point but that means nothing without an explanation
I'm just going to sum up this entire thing up so you can stop making dumb excuses. Don't even open anything in that spoiler because I already know you most likely won't read it.
-EXPLAIN how those scans give Neji the speed to dodge Chidori in the previously presented scenario or don't post. That's what your entire argument hinges on.
If you want to continue this discussion do us both a favor, cut the bullshit and actually address what is being stated. Start by addressing that statement or don't reply at all.
LMAO BRO THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING THIS GUY FOR THE PAST 4 GODDAMN PAGES MAN. I wish we'd answer our question instead of dancing around it. :lol
No. What you showed is that Neji is capable of side stepping NARUTO as the scan shows. :lol
Your argument: "Neji can dodge Sasuke because Neji can side step opponents and Sasuke moves in a straight line". Let's apply this logic to another case:
"Neji can dodge Ay because Neji can side step opponents with his ever so graceful footwork and Ay moves in a straight line". :lol Please stop.
Lmao shut up and stop making these stupid ass excuses. It's not that Neji doesn't have enough feats. The issue is YOU WON'T EXPLAIN HOW WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED APPLIES. Get that through your thick skull or just stop quoting me. :lol If you don't want to be disrespected then stop acting like a moron, stop ignoring what people are saying and start arguing with honesty instead of this nonsense I'm reading.Alright you win. I can only go off what Kishimoto produced and neji wasn't exactly part of the wank train
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The scans show him capable of sudden quick movements at decent distances.
Based on Chidori feats Neji's footwork and sudden speed burst will allow him the ability to dodge Chidori. Can he counter chidori? definitely not but he can dodge it.
Sasuke can't maneuver at base lee speed while carrying Chidori. Nothing in the manga shows this. The only Chidori feats we have is of him doing direct straight forward attacks with Chidori.
Im not saying Neji is fast enough to dodge AND counter Chidori im saying Neji can dodge it based on the scans I provided.
Can't believe im explaining this but I dont think you've done martial arts or played sports. Nothing personal but its simple.
With neji's footwork displayed and his ability to close short distances he IS capable of dodging a straight forward attack like Chidori.
I ignore your "logic" comments because comparing chuunin Sasuke to Ay speed is just stupid
Show me 1 scan of Sasuke showing the ability to maneuver with Chidori in hand and i will immediately say "SASUKE GG"
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Why does he need feats, Minato and Kakashi both stated if you have a way to keep track of your enemies movements you can react and maneuver yourself properly....Sasuke has the Sharingan.The difference is Neji is evading all together. Gaara blitzed Sasuke head on chidori vs tailed beast Claw. Straight forward movement vs Straight forward movement. What Im stating is Neji can simply move laterally to avoid him all together due to Sasuke showing NO FEATS or mention of him capable of maneuvering WITH Chidori in hand with the agility he had as base lee. Yes in a straight forward lung Sasuke is extremely fast but his movements are limited based on feats regarding Chidori
The scans I showed clearly show Neji is capable of excellent foot position and agility movements to easily side step an opponent. Not sure why Im explaining this but if you've done martial arts or sports you may understand
Alright you win. I can only go off what Kishimoto produced and neji wasn't exactly part of the wank train
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Does that mean he will do the same to Sasuke from close range? No, it doesn't. What is so hard to understand here?
No, because you've yet to show how what he did against a much slower opponent lets him do so against a much faster opponent.
IRRELEVANT. No one is even arguing this.
No one said you were.
Lmao this has nothing to do with whether or not you've played sports. This has to do with using logic and not saying X is true because Y without explaining Y.
^^ This, is not an explanation. Write an argumentative paper and write something like this and you'll fail because you didn't explain your stance. If I can substitute statements like the following into your own argument then you know that your logic is flawed.
"With Neji's footwork displayed and his ability to close short distances he IS capable of dodging a straight forward attack like top speed Ay's lightning straight"
True or False? :lol. If you say true then we can end this argument now. If you say false then you'd have to explain why, and what would you say? Btw don't say that these are two different things, cause they are not. This is the logic that YOU yourself are using. That since Neji has good footwork and is fast he can dodge straight forward attacks.
You'd say that Ay is too fast
So why do you ignore this step altogether when talking about Sasuke? :lol. Multiple posts, multiple points, one that you IGNORED AGAIN for the 5th time show that if Sasuke isn't far away Neji won't dodge Chidori. Quit ignoring this and start addressing it.
And no, you ignore them because you are either too stupid to comprehend a basic analogy, or you comprehended it, realized that you were wrong but are too butthurt to admit that you were wrong. If the garbage in those scans you posted lets Neji dodge Chidori SOLELY because it's a linear attack then by that line of thinking why doesn't he dodge Ay? Lmao. But you won't answer this, cause if you answer it your argument ends right there.
Lmao, I don't need to show you anything, because Sasuke being able to maneuver like normal when running top speed has jack shit to do with whether or not he's fast enough to hit Neji.
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Because feats show sasuke incapable of doing so. Yes Sasuke can counter as his sharingan allows him but in terms of agile mobility based on feats he can't. If we basing this off of hear-say then the argument starts all over again lol
I'll leave ya to KG but I don't recall him showing the inability to do so, he was avoiding Gaara's sand on his own, chidori just allows him to do so even faster.
KN0 Naruto is not blitzing Gaara. He couldn't even fully blitz Neji.