Sasuke vs Neji in chunin exam

[KidGamer65]

It was put on par with Gaara's defense, so anything it blocked Neji;s rotation can as well.



So what's stopping Neji form immediately expelling more Chakra to replace the pierced parts?



Agree, but if the spinning is strong enough, that metal can be broken. Neji's rotation has the possibility of being able to damage Sasuke's arm if he attempts to attack Rotation head on with it and even if you believe Sasuke could pierce through Rotation, that isn't a possibility you can deny.

Yes, and Sasuke's Chidori is not one of those things.

Nothing, but that doesn't help like I just explained. That chakra does nothing if it's not spinning. If Neji has been hit w/ Chidori he won't be spinning.

Yeah, "if" the spinning is strong enough. But if it was strong enough then Chidori wouldn't rip through Rotation, it would be repelled. Just how the metal pole wouldn't stop the wheel if the spinning were strong enough. However there is more evidence leaning towards Chidori piercing Rotation thus there shouldn't be any discussion on whether or not Sasuke takes damage.

 

[Mellanoma]

How about we cut the BS now buddy? I've stated multiple times why Sasuke can land Chidori on Neji yet all you do is cry about scans without addressing what I stated, even though what I stated is literally what occurred in the Manga.

-Sasuke can maneuver with Chidori. That is the point of having the Sharingan. To be able to maneuver so you can dodge any incoming counter attack while using Chidori. Under normal circumstances I could say this and whoever I'm arguing with would know since the scan has been posted over 3x in this thread but I already know if I don't have a link here you'll come back whining about how I have no scans.

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S/N: Kakashi did not have the Sharingan yet he was still able to change direction and shit while using Chidori. Though normally something like this doesn't require any evidence because Chidori is just chakra in the user's hand. No reason why they wouldn't be able to move as normally. :lol

-You aren't even arguing. You are posting scans and saying that X is true because those scans but you keep failing to explain why. How in the world does Neji being able to counter and clash with Naruto's attacks translate to him being fast enough to dodge Chidori? Oh wait, it doesn't because there is no correlation whatsoever. Naruto is not Sasuke. Sasuke is far faster than Base. Meanwhile over 3x I've explained how Naruto was able to force Neji into an incomplete rotation. Sasuke is faster. Please do the math or don't respond. Not interested in a discussion where you repeat yourself like a broken record while ignoring what everyone is telling you.

Please just stop while you are behind. I already know that you won't agree because you've already made up your mind and will continue to ignore anything and everything that weighs against your favor.

Haha now we are back to hear say scans. Show me feats of sasuke manuevering with chidori not hear say. I showed you Neji feats to dodge you show me feats of sasule using chidori and being able to manuveur with it. Especially since all my hear say scans are irrelevant. Lol

Ill be waiting on those scans especially since i already know sasuke only moves straight with chidori

 

[KidGamer65]

Haha now we are back to hear say scans. Show me feats of sasuke manuevering with chidori not hear say. I showed you Neji feats to dodge you show me feats of sasule using chidori and being able to manuveur with it. Especially since all my hear say scans are irrelevant. Lol

Ill be waiting on those scans especially since i already know sasuke only moves straight with chidori

^^^ This everyone, is a perfect example of someone who resorts to troll like behavior after having his argument crushed. :lol Learn how to read and then come post in this thread again.

 

[Mellanoma]

^^^ This everyone, is a perfect example of someone who resorts to troll like behavior after having his argument crushed. :lol Learn how to read and then come post in this thread again.

Deflected again. The argument started with feats no hear say I show feats now its back to hear say. As i said show me feats of Sasuke using chidori while manuvering. If you cant then based on manga feats chuunin neji can dodge chuunin sasukes chidori.

 

[KidGamer65]

Deflected again. The argument started with feats no hear say I show feats now its back to hear say. As i said show me feats of Sasuke using chidori while manuvering. If you cant then based on manga feats chuunin neji can dodge chuunin sasukes chidori.

If only I cared. :lol I've addressed all your arguments. The end.

 

[UnknownJin]

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Sasuke was the most wanked character ever during the Chuunin exams and Neji has what? 30 panels the entire manga. One can only base theory and feats off of what was compared to said characters. Im not even a Neji fan but anyways ill continue.

Here is what I have regarding Neji during Chunnin Exams

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Say what you like but this proves just how fast Neji Gentle fist strikes are.


Lee admitting he needs lotus to take down Neji.

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Why? Because since Lee lacks the ability to see counters he will be beaten by Neji's gentle fist SO to compensate for that he needs EXTREMELY high speeds IE 5G Lotos

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Sasuke is still slower than Base Lee

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Sasuke uses a huge amount of stamina to maintain that speed

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Now with all this presented I ask you two questions

1) Do you believe Neji can dodge Chidori?

2) Can Sasuke win without Chidori?

stfu...

 

[Mellanoma]

If only I cared. :lol I've addressed all your arguments. The end.

Lol is chidori not the determing factor to this fight? We both agreed on that

I showed you how and why neji avoids it and even explained it using manga scans since whats said in the manga is irrelevant based on your own words. Then you come back woth hear say and no feats.

Based on sasuke feats he cant manuvuer well with chidori. Neji is quick enough to avoid it. Show me agility feats of sasuke then i will agree. If not two dodged chidoris and gg sasuke

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol is chidori not the determing factor to this fight? We both agreed on that

I showed you how and why neji avoids it and even explained it using manga scans since whats said in the manga is irrelevant based on your own words. Then you come back woth hear say and no feats.

Based on sasuke feats he cant manuvuer well with chidori. Neji is quick enough to avoid it. Show me agility feats of sasuke then i will agree. If not two dodged chidoris and gg sasuke

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[TheTailedSage]

Yes, and Sasuke's Chidori is not one of those things.

Nothing, but that doesn't help like I just explained. That chakra does nothing if it's not spinning. If Neji has been hit w/ Chidori he won't be spinning.

Yeah, "if" the spinning is strong enough. But if it was strong enough then Chidori wouldn't rip through Rotation, it would be repelled. Just how the metal pole wouldn't stop the wheel if the spinning were strong enough. However there is more evidence leaning towards Chidori piercing Rotation thus there shouldn't be any discussion on whether or not Sasuke takes damage.

All these years and were still talking about this fight, eh KidGamer? To be fair, Chidori wouldnt pierce through something that rebounds chakra and objects. Just remember the only instance we've seen Rotation bested is when the jubi bullets went through Nejis's but that was only because of him not being fast enough. I honestly think Sasukes hand would be repelled in the direction of whatever way Neji is spinning. That's why its an absolute defense, because it gaurds by repelling. All things hitting it get overwhelmed by the rotation, Sasukes hand is no different, regardless of Chidori.

 

[KidGamer65]

All these years and were still talking about this fight, eh KidGamer? To be fair, Chidori wouldnt pierce through something that rebounds chakra and objects. Just remember the only instance we've seen Rotation bested is when the jubi bullets went through Nejis's but that was only because of him not being fast enough. I honestly think Sasukes hand would be repelled in the direction of whatever way Neji is spinning. That's why its an absolute defense, because it gaurds by repelling. All things hitting it get overwhelmed by the rotation, Sasukes hand is no different, regardless of Chidori.

Lmao long time no see. But nah, like I've told the 3-4 other people who said this same thing, it rebounds and repels objects if it is strong enough to do so, and it is not in this case thus Chidori pierces it. What you are saying makes no sense because I can use the same logic and say that no attack gets through rotation because rotation guards by repelling.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Lmao long time no see. But nah, like I've told the 3-4 other people who said this same thing, it rebounds and repels objects if it is strong enough to do so, and it is not in this case thus Chidori pierces it. What you are saying makes no sense because I can use the same logic and say that no attack gets through rotation because rotation guards by repelling.

I hear what your saying but for starters, Sasuke hasn't even got the momentum fast enough to assist the power of Chidori, that in itself will doom him from the start. Plus, your forgetting that the size of the dome can be extended so lets say he did somehow pierce through it, he wouldn't hit Neji. I think Timing it when Sasuke is close enough will best utilize its purpose, because not only will it repel you in a direction, but you get blown away from the expansion too, like Naruto did.

I think you seriously underestimate the defenses of Rotation. If something like chidori could break through i doubt it would be called an absolute defense. In order to get that title, the Hyuga would of had to do infield testing.

Also, you couldn't use that logic because we've seen the weakness of rotation and its got nothing to do with durability. More the mechanics.

 

[KidGamer65]

I hear what your saying but for starters, Sasuke hasn't even got the momentum fast enough to assist the power of Chidori, that in itself will doom him from the start. Plus, your forgetting that the size of the dome can be extended so lets say he did somehow pierce through it, he wouldn't hit Neji. I think Timing it when Sasuke is close enough will best utilize its purpose, because not only will it repel you in a direction, but you get blown away from the expansion too, like Naruto did.

I think you seriously underestimate the defenses of Rotation. If something like chidori could break through i doubt it would be called an absolute defense. In order to get that title, the Hyuga would of had to do infield testing.

The bold is something you can't support. The power outputted by his Chidori was enough to rip through the most respected defense at that time in the Manga. Neji's is no different nor are there any feats that put Neji's Rotation far beyond that of Gaara's Sand. None whatsoever. The dome being expanded doesn't matter if the dome can't stop Sasuke's advance, which it can't do. Not to mention the largest it has ever gotten was shown during Naruto vs. Neji and that's obviously not large enough to keep Sasuke away. Naruto got blown away because his technique wasn't strong enough to completely break through. A point you seem to be missing.

And no, Neji timing his Rotation doesn't do anything but hurt him. The longer he waits the closer Sasuke gets thus the less time he has to reach full speed before Sasuke hits him. Naruto only did the damage he did because Neji couldn't complete his rotation.

And lmao come on man. Gaara's defense is the first thing in this Manga that was called the Ultimate Defense yet Chidori ripped right through it. Titles don't mean a thing here.

 

[TheTailedSage]

The bold is something you can't support. The power outputted by his Chidori was enough to rip through the most respected defense at that time in the Manga. Neji's is no different nor are there any feats that put Neji's Rotation far beyond that of Gaara's Sand. None whatsoever. The dome being expanded doesn't matter if the dome can't stop Sasuke's advance, which it can't do. Not to mention the largest it has ever gotten was shown during Naruto vs. Neji and that's obviously not large enough to keep Sasuke away. Naruto got blown away because his technique wasn't strong enough to completely break through. A point you seem to be missing.

And no, Neji timing his Rotation doesn't do anything but hurt him. The longer he waits the closer Sasuke gets thus the less time he has to reach full speed before Sasuke hits him. Naruto only did the damage he did because Neji couldn't complete his rotation.

And lmao come on man. Gaara's defense is the first thing in this Manga that was called the Ultimate Defense yet Chidori ripped right through it. Titles don't mean a thing here.

I knew you'd debunk the bold which is fair i suppose but you seem to be forgetting something very basic in all of this. Gaaras sand by nature is earth Lightning>Earth. The possibility of that happens was almost inevitable. Especially from the hype before hand too which is the only thing it had backing it up to that point. Other than that, Chidori hasn't pierce anything with a defense feat like that, as far as i'm aware. So in essence, your point about chidori besting a defense that has proven to be weak against lightning is kind of weak here. Madaras Susano blade i don't even think was able to cut through it, correct me if i'm wrong.

You don't get it, the trajectory of it get repelled because of how fast the rotation is. That's basic physics. I understand chidori has power but if were going there, the only thing Chidori has ripped through are things that naturally are weak against lightning. Plus its always hit things that boils down to durability. Your saying it would rip through the chakra which makes sense, up until the point where it doesnt have the speed necessary to get past it. If it some how managed to do that, the speed of the rotation will eventally overwhealm him and blow him away, ESPECIALLY because he hasn't got the speed. Its a fact that Chidori slows you down, hence why Sasuke had to literally get some distance before using it.

 

[Mellanoma]

I knew you'd debunk the bold which is fair i suppose but you seem to be forgetting something very basic in all of this. Gaaras sand by nature is earth Lightning>Earth. The possibility of that happens was almost inevitable. Especially from the hype before hand too which is the only thing it had backing it up to that point. Other than that, Chidori hasn't pierce anything with a defense feat like that, as far as i'm aware. So in essence, your point about chidori besting a defense that has proven to be weak against lightning is kind of weak here. Madaras Susano blade i don't even think was able to cut through it, correct me if i'm wrong.

You don't get it, the trajectory of it get repelled because of how fast the rotation is. That's basic physics. I understand chidori has power but if were going there, the only thing Chidori has ripped through are things that naturally are weak against lightning. Plus its always hit things that boils down to durability. Your saying it would rip through the chakra which makes sense, up until the point where it doesnt have the speed necessary to get past it. If it some how managed to do that, the speed of the rotation will eventally overwhealm him and blow him away, ESPECIALLY because he hasn't got the speed. Its a fact that Chidori slows you down, hence why Sasuke had to literally get some distance before using it.

Good stuff

Neji wouldn't even need Rotation he can simply avoid it based on feats

 

[KidGamer65]

I knew you'd debunk the bold which is fair i suppose but you seem to be forgetting something very basic in all of this. Gaaras sand by nature is earth Lightning>Earth. The possibility of that happens was almost inevitable. Especially from the hype before hand too which is the only thing it had backing it up to that point. Other than that, Chidori hasn't pierce anything with a defense feat like that, as far as i'm aware. So in essence, your point about chidori besting a defense that has proven to be weak against lightning is kind of weak here. Madaras Susano blade i don't even think was able to cut through it, correct me if i'm wrong.

You don't get it, the trajectory of it get repelled because of how fast the rotation is. That's basic physics. I understand chidori has power but if were going there, the only thing Chidori has ripped through are things that naturally are weak against lightning. Plus its always hit things that boils down to durability. Your saying it would rip through the chakra which makes sense, up until the point where it doesnt have the speed necessary to get past it. If it some how managed to do that, the speed of the rotation will eventally overwhealm him and blow him away, ESPECIALLY because he hasn't got the speed. Its a fact that Chidori slows you down, hence why Sasuke had to literally get some distance before using it.

Gaara's Sand is not Doton. Where are you guys getting this from? Cause it's definitely not the Manga. It's sand controlled by either Magnet Release or something else. It took 5 Susanoo clones to bust through Gaara's Sand, but Part 2 Gaara is obviously far beyond that of his child self so there's no point mentioning that. Chidori not piercing anything else is irrelevant because it piercing Gaara's defense is good enough. Which has greater hype and feats in the same realm as Rotation.

No, it's you that doesn't get it. You guys really need to stop making these ridiculous excuses. If the force behind the technique is too great then there is literally no reason why it's trajectory would be shifted. The reason it's trajectory gets shifted is because of the force Rotation puts on the tech that hits it. If the force is greater then the tech is deflected. (see Naruto) Quit saying "that's how the jutsu works so it will do this to every technique 100% of the time". It's pure nonsense. If we were discussing PS vs. Rotation I already know no one would be in this thread saying that since Rotation spins the trajectory of the jutsu is changed or it's repelled or whatever nonsense, and that's because PS is too powerful. Chidori is too powerful for Rotation as well as feats have shown.


-No, it's not a fact that Chidori slows you down. There you go making things up. It was stated that Chidori is dangerous specifically because the user is moving too fast to see and counter any retaliation from the target, but the Sharingan erases that demerit.

-No, the speed of Rotation can't blow Chidori away because Chidori is strong enough to pierce through. Once Neji is pierced he will stop Rotating obviously. Like I said, if you stick a metal pole in some gears or some shit like that will it continue to spin? Uhh obviously not. So you all need to stop bringing this point up if you can't support Rotation being strong enough to repel Chidori with trying to cheapen the feat by making stuff up, such as Sand being Doton.

If you are going to argue why are you saying the same exact things that people have already said a page ago?

 

[TheTailedSage]

Gaara's Sand is not Doton. Where are you guys getting this from? Cause it's definitely not the Manga. It's sand controlled by either Magnet Release or something else. It took 5 Susanoo clones to bust through Gaara's Sand, but Part 2 Gaara is obviously far beyond that of his child self so there's no point mentioning that. Chidori not piercing anything else is irrelevant because it piercing Gaara's defense is good enough. Which has greater hype and feats in the same realm as Rotation.

No, it's you that doesn't get it. You guys really need to stop making these ridiculous excuses. If the force behind the technique is too great then there is literally no reason why it's trajectory would be shifted. The reason it's trajectory gets shifted is because of the force Rotation puts on the tech that hits it. If the force is greater then the tech is deflected. (see Naruto) Quit saying "that's how the jutsu works so it will do this to every technique 100% of the time". It's pure nonsense. If we were discussing PS vs. Rotation I already know no one would be in this thread saying that since Rotation spins the trajectory of the jutsu is changed or it's repelled or whatever nonsense, and that's because PS is too powerful. Chidori is too powerful for Rotation as well as feats have shown.


-No, it's not a fact that Chidori slows you down. There you go making things up. It was stated that Chidori is dangerous specifically because the user is moving too fast to see and counter any retaliation from the target, but the Sharingan erases that demerit.

-No, the speed of Rotation can't blow Chidori away because Chidori is strong enough to pierce through. Once Neji is pierced he will stop Rotating obviously. Like I said, if you stick a metal pole in some gears or some shit like that will it continue to spin? Uhh obviously not. So you all need to stop bringing this point up if you can't support Rotation being strong enough to repel Chidori with trying to cheapen the feat by making stuff up, such as Sand being Doton.

If you are going to argue why are you saying the same exact things that people have already said a page ago?

Dude, Sand is made up of minerals in the ground. One of his attacks literally softens the ground beneath you (Sand Funeral). The basis of sand is Earth, it doesn't matter how he controls it because the foundation is a weakness to lightning. Your going off of guesses on how he controls it, I'm going off of what material he uses and manga facts to back that point up. It's the same logic as a fire dragon being controlled by whatever force and someone comes and uses a water jutsu to extinguish it, rendering it useless. It's natural weaknesses.

Mate, the whole reason Sasuke went up the wall in the first place was to gain speed. I'll put my hands up and say I got the whole speed explaination fogged but if you can tell me why Sasuke did all of that set up, I'll let it go. The momentum argument is still solid, your Cog example is flawed. A playground round about is more accurate because even if you were to cut through one of the Pole, the length of that blade only Pericles so far, and without the speed, it will only cut so much and will get dragged along or disarmed by the rotating. If we were talking about someone with speed feats fast enough and the cutting edge like Ay, then I'll admit defeat. Also the chicory is the width of his hand, his arm is left bare. Your saying he'd hit Neji because it would slip through like butter. Before his hand reaches Neji, assuming it rips through, it gets parried. The fact rotation expands is proof within itself that rotation can become bigger. The circle left after he does it is a clear indication of how wide it was.

Look up at what sand is made out of. The act he makes it from minerals from the earth is self explainatory, any release he uses to control it is irrelevant.

To be honest, I didn't read last page. My bad.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude, Sand is made up of minerals in the ground. One of his attacks literally softens the ground beneath you (Sand Funeral). The basis of sand is Earth, it doesn't matter how he controls it because the foundation is a weakness to lightning. Your going off of guesses on how he controls it, I'm going off of what material he uses and manga facts to back that point up. It's the same logic as a fire dragon being controlled by whatever force and someone comes and uses a water jutsu to extinguish it, rendering it useless. It's natural weaknesses.

Mate, the whole reason Sasuke went up the wall in the first place was to gain speed. I'll put my hands up and say I got the whole speed explaination fogged but if you can tell me why Sasuke did all of that set up, I'll let it go. The momentum argument is still solid, your Cog example is flawed. A playground round about is more accurate because even if you were to cut through one of the Pole, the length of that blade only Pericles so far, and without the speed, it will only cut so much and will get dragged along or disarmed by the rotating. If we were talking about someone with speed feats fast enough and the cutting edge like Ay, then I'll admit defeat. Also the chicory is the width of his hand, his arm is left bare. Your saying he'd hit Neji because it would slip through like butter. Before his hand reaches Neji, assuming it rips through, it gets parried. The fact rotation expands is proof within itself that rotation can become bigger. The circle left after he does it is a clear indication of how wide it was.

Look up at what sand is made out of. The act he makes it from minerals from the earth is self explainatory, any release he uses to control it is irrelevant.

To be honest, I didn't read last page. My bad.

No, I don't care how he controls it nor is that why you are wrong and why you are right. There is nothing showing that Sand is Doton and that it shares the same weaknesses as Doton. The basis of Sand is Earth or rather the stuff in the ground is part of what makes up sand but does that make Sand the same as Earth? Yes or No? The answer is no. Then we have the fact that if this were true it would've been pointed out by one of the characters just like when Deidara's clay bombs were pointed out by Sasuke to be Doton. So yeah, no. Gaara's Sand is not weak to lightning. Never has been never will be.


Yes, he went up the wall to get speed. That literally has nothing to do with what you were saying before. Anyway no, your momentum argument is not even close to being solid.

Your example is wrong, or rather it doesn't apply. Why are you talking about cutting through the poles of the roundabout? A carousel isn't a uniform sphere nor does it rely on a center piece to rotate. If Neji isn't spinning then obviously Rotation fails. If Neji gets pierced w/ Sasuke's Chidori then obviously he won't be spinning. He'll be dying. :lol Cutting through a pole on a carousel doesn't stop the carousel from spinning because the poles on said carousel aren't what causes it to spin. The force applied initially is what causes it to spin. Neji has to spin on his own thus if he's stopped his tech fails. So no, Chidori never gets repelled. Rotation is chakra. It is solid enough to interact with physical objects. If Chidori pierces through it then it won't continue to spin irregardless of the force that's been put on it.

And please don't talk about speed. Naruto forced Neji into an incomplete Rotation. Sasuke has enough speed and enough power to plow through. Lmao @ the notion or even the implication that speed anywhere close to Ay's is needed to break through Rotation. Smh.

You keep on talking about how wide it is but again we have seen how wide it is.

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-Neji's silhouette is visible. Obviously it's not that large.

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Neji's arm is almost the length of it's radius. That's not large. That's just as large as literally every other time it's been used so I also don't know where you got Rotation being able to be expanded from but that's false as well. So yes, Sasuke can reach Neji. No, Neji won't repel Chidori. No, Rotation won't repel Chidori once it's already pierced through. The best you or anyone else arguing for Neji can hope for is that instead of running through his chest Sasuke gets his arm, but then Sasuke would just finish him off after that making it moot in the end.

 

[BLAZE]

Sand is in no way doton.

when naruto used it via shukaku it was stated to be magnet style [

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it was said sandaime kazekage adapted his magnet style from shukaku's host [

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gaara's father can use magnet style [

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also Rasa has the fuuton, doton and suiton [

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we know fuuton+suiton is ice and suton+doton is mokuton and whats left is fuuton+doton for magnet style both of which gaara has

also mizukage watergun completely pierced gaara's sand transformed into ohnoki [

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[Icelerate]

You keep on talking about how wide it is but again we have seen how wide it is.

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-Neji's silhouette is visible. Obviously it's not that large.

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Neji's arm is almost the length of it's radius. That's not large. That's just as large as literally every other time it's been used so I also don't know where you got Rotation being able to be expanded from but that's false as well. So yes, Sasuke can reach Neji. No, Neji won't repel Chidori. No, Rotation won't repel Chidori once it's already pierced through. The best you or anyone else arguing for Neji can hope for is that instead of running through his chest Sasuke gets his arm, but then Sasuke would just finish him off after that making it moot in the end.

I remembered rotation being a lot larger. Guess I was wrong.

 

[KidGamer65]

I remembered rotation being a lot larger. Guess I was wrong.

Maybe you were thinking of Pt. 2 Neji.