The Uchiha Clan’s God-given, clairvoyant doujutsu, transmitted by blood!! Seeing through something and duplicating its principles for oneself.
The Kekkei Genkai withheld in the blood of Konoha’s finest lineage, the Uchiha Clan. This unique ability, manifested only in a mere fraction [of people] even within the clan, is characterized by comma-shaped markings in one’s pupils. On top of an all-encompassing insight and powerful hypnosis, these eyes are hosts to a jutsu-copying ability that memorizes the techniques their gaze falls upon in an instant, and replicates them. Just like Kakashi who, in his fight against Zabuza, used it in such a way as to look like he could predict the future; according to their methods of use, the field of variations the caster can apply to their offense and defense expands indefinitely!!
The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent’s movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one’s combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven would be an appropriate name indeed!!
The Sharingan’s true power, in addition to the threat posed by its insight… is its copying ability, that of making one’s own any technique one sets eyes upon. Chakra, hand-seals… all the principles bringing the jutsu into existence will be recorded into the caster’s memory in the blink of an eye, making its utilization possible. Of course, the necessary volume of chakra and physical ability requirements must be met, but should one find themselves in some kind of dire situation, the Uchiha blood will demonstrate its accumulated experience, and never will those who have inherited it know any limits!!
The Sharingan in Kakashi’s left eye. With that power, he’s copied over one thousand techniques.
Sasuke’s Sharingan slightly differs from Kakashi’s. Is it because it’s not complete yet, or is there something else?
Reading through countless illusions in an instant. The jutsu’s fundamentals, chakra amount and the like: those eyes will reflect matters in their entirety!!
Receiving a taijutsu blow only once, [Sasuke] makes it his own move!!
sasuke copied lee's taijutsu move despite being completely and utterly outmached by him
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"Glimpse of a second" There you Neji fans go again, pulling measurements from a source material that isn't animated out of your ass. :lol Don't make these dumb claims if you aren't going to support them. 64 palms being fast doesn't equate to Neji landing them on Sasuke.
Lee stated that if your body can't keep up you can't react. That's a fact that is true all across the board not just for this situation. What you've failed to prove is that Neji can approach, engage and land 64 palms on Sasuke without him doing anything. You sit here and wank his striking speed yet you ignore the fact that he has to actually close whatever distance that is between them first.
yes it is, he maybe is the same tier as Lee and Neji in speed, but just because he copied Lee's movements doesn't put him on the same tier as CE Neji or CE Lee in Taijutsu. unless you have a manga scan that suggest otherwise.
No, not really, because this isn't Lee vs. Neji, this is Sasuke vs. Neji and Sasuke w/ 3-Tomoe>>>>Chunnin Exam Base Lee based on his performance against Naruto, where he whooped his ass with zero difficulty. For reference this version of Naruto moves far faster than any version of Neji in Part 1 and any version of Lee outside of the Gates in Part 1. Dodging Neji is not an issue. The only hard part of the fight is landing Chidori. You seem to believe that Neji will run at Sasuke, Sasuke will do nothing and then die but that's the train of thought a biased fan argues with.
it is a feat in speed and reflex, his enemy was falling from the tree and he managed to run 50m and strike something that is the size of tip of a needle precisely in mid air before his enemy managed to hit the ground, all that while being fatally injured, and being pierced with two holes in his body, meaning he managed to accomplish that while enduring such a pain
It's a SPEED feat. Not a reaction feat. Reaction feats are reactions to incoming stimuli. Neji didn't react to anything here. He attacked Kidomaru. His only speed feat here is managing to reach Kidomaru and hit him in a matter of seconds. Crossing 50m in a few seconds is not anywhere close to being an upper echelon feat for shinobi of even Neji's speed stat so bringing it up here is pointless. KN0 already has speed feats far better than this, such as blitzing a Sasuke who could already move as fast as Lee. Neji himself can't move that much faster than Lee yet Naruto blitzed a Sasuke who could at least move as fast as Lee, meaning KN0 is far faster than Lee who is on Neji's level in speed.
Good feat? Yes. Feat that proves superiority here? No. So you can stop it now.
and you forgot that Neji have also reacted to Kn0 Naruto's speed
No, he reacted to a Naruto using Kurama's chakra. KN0 is a form Naruto takes. Naruto simply borrowed chakra from Kurama back then. Two different things and it's obvious that KN0 SRA Naruto>>His Chuunin Exam self. But I never stated that Neji couldn't react so I have no idea why you even brought this up. The significance of Sasuke doing what he did to Naruto is to prove that in terms of reaction speed Sasuke's feats are far better than Neji's as Sasuke has canonically beat the hell out of an opponent, with zero difficulty no less, far faster than Neji. Am I saying he'll beat Neji the same way? No, because unlike Naruto Neji is actually skilled. Does that mean Sasuke loses? No. Period.
then you know very well that Sasuke speed is nothing to SRA Neji :lol, and you know well that Sasuke Taijutsu is shit compared to a high tier Taijutsu like SRA Neji's :lol, and you know well that Neji uses Jyuken which can cause a fatal damage through the slightest touch :lol
yet you still think that base part 1 Sasuke with 3T stands a chance against SRA Neji :lol
but then again you are the same clown who think that Sakura with her shit skills and her shit fighting style can beat Neji in CQC
The only difference is I've explained what Sakura can do in CQC to make up for her lack of finesse but instead of addressing it you cry about it. :lol If you could formulate an intelligent response you wouldn't be bitching, you'd be refuting.
Sasuke is not fast enough to keep up with Neji's hand speed. and even if he can, Sasuke's speed is nothing that SRA Neji can't handle, and his Taijutsu is a shit tier compared to Neji. and in worst scenarios Neji can just block his punch by emitting chakra and spin to blast him. but I doubt that Rotation is even needed here, since I doubt a scenario like that would happen with a shitty Taijutsu skills
What is the bold based on? Sasuke can react to Naruto. Naruto is far faster than Neji. How is Neji going to dash at Sasuke and hit him with 64 palms? Oh wait, he won't. You're wanking as usual. To land 64 palms first you have to dash at the opponent and get in range to strike them with your fingers. Neji's hand speed is very fast but his running speed is far below what Sasuke has already made child's play of.
-Neji dashes and tries to land 64 palms.
-Sasuke dodges the dash.
-Thus Neji is not in range to use 64 palms.
Lmao I love how this guy has over simplified this battle to elevate his favorite. Since when was a ninja battle with no restrictions just a Taijutsu battle? Sasuke? Fighting Neji in Taijutsu? :lol Stop it son. Stop it now.
But I already expect you to make up some nonsense because that is what people of your nature do.
I didn't say that you clown :lol, I said that it is a FORCEFUL STRIKE, and it being able to blow the Juubi's Hand prove that it has a tremendous force, can a forceful strike destroy ? well... if it was fired on something that isn't durable enough to tank it, then HELL YEAH, it can destroy it
Can you stop lying? The entire essence and backbone of the V3 Susanoo thread you made was that since Juubi's Hand>>Susanoo in durability, Air Palm wrecks Susanoo because it pushed the Juubi's hand. That is flawed logic. Don't say you didn't say this or imply this or argue this cause then you'd be lying just like you are doing all over this post.
but your shit logic says "it can't damage or destroy anything just because it didn't damage the Juubi hand"
and let's just forget the fact that the Juubi hand have tanked all this with zero damage
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so just because none of these attacks have damaged a durable hand, then that means that all those attacks would not be able to destroy anything ? just push ?
Such as this. Where did I ever state that Air Palm can't damage or destroy anything? Never. I've never stated that. That's you twisting my words to deflect away from your insanely foolish argument. Number #1 go-to strategy of fanboys when people don't wank their fav or their fav's attacks. They accuse them of underrating. :lol Come on now.
Lmao my point was as clear as day, and that is according to DB Neji is faster and a hundred times more skilled in Taijutsu. and you @ me with CE Sasuke's feats, Lmao.. well.. hello ! SRA Neji stomps CE Sasuke and base CE Lee. and even 3T would not help him against Neji's hand speed.
:lol Nothing in this paragraph has been substantiated with any references to what actually occurred in the Manga. I want you to respond to the following and the above with a coherent response so that you can't make anymore pathetic and idiotic excuses when I refute your points.
-In terms of movement speed Neji and Sasuke are on the same general level, but movement speed is hardly important here as no one can blitz the other.
-In terms of reaction speed Sasuke's feats blow Neji's out of the water as Sasuke has reacted to and destroyed KN0 who is far faster than Lee or anyone in his speed bracket, and that includes Neji.
Those two facts put together means we can forget about any stupid ass argumentation or scenario that includes Neji running at Sasuke and one shotting him with 64 Palms.
-In terms of Taijutsu skill Neji blows Sasuke out of the water, but Taijutsu stats don't determine the winner of a fight because close combat isn't just Taijutsu and even if it is (which it is NOT in this case) enhancements to physical abilities increase one's effectiveness in close combat/Taijutsu. Sasuke's reaction speed w/ 3-Tomoe blows Neji's out of the water by feats. Sasuke has copied the moves of someone like Lee, and Lee's score in Taijutsu is .5 away from Neji's. Though clashing with Neji is deadly due to Gentle Fist, but again, Sasuke has consistently dodged and landed hits on someone far faster than him and he has Chidori so Sasuke being unable to clash fists with him does not matter.
Naruto w/ Kurama's power broke through a half way done rotation. Chidori ripped through Gaara's Sand Dome (his strongest defense at the time) and it tore off his arm in his partial transformation. If Chidori makes contact Neji dies. If Neji tries to engage Sasuke w/ Chidori without using Rotation he dies extremely low difficulty. I already know you or some other fanboy will try to say "b-b-b-but he's so much better at the taijutusus so he'll dodge Chidori and hit Sasuke's arm", so I'll just say right now that no, that nonsense is not happening.
-No feats that let Neji outmaneuver someone of Sasuke's speed like that.
-Sasuke has already reacted to someone far above his speed level so how will Neji be fast enough to outmaneuver Sasuke in this manner? I'll wait.
Any version of 3-Tomoe Sasuke>Your favorite. Curse Mark Level 1 and especially 2 are overkill and not needed. :lol
its funny in one thread this guy takes databook for face value to prove neji's superiority over sasuke while on another thread completely ignores same databook to wank how hinata beats sakura :lol
its funny in one thread this guy takes databook for face value to prove neji's superiority over sasuke while on another thread completely ignores same databook to wank how hinata beats sakura :lol
Byakugan isn't increasing anything except reaction[which is useless when she is outclassed in speed and has zero solid reaction feat all over the manga even with byakugan] and help her in taijutsu[which again in her case is tied to byakugan and totally useless without it]
Byakugan isn't increasing anything except reaction[which is useless when she is outclassed in speed and has zero solid reaction feat all over the manga even with byakugan] and help her in taijutsu[which again in her case is tied to byakugan and totally useless without it]
"Glimpse of a second" There you Neji fans go again, pulling measurements from a source material that isn't animated out of your ass. :lol Don't make these dumb claims if you aren't going to support them. 64 palms being fast doesn't equate to Neji landing them on Sasuke.
Lee stated that if your body can't keep up you can't react. That's a fact that is true all across the board not just for this situation. What you've failed to prove is that Neji can approach, engage and land 64 palms on Sasuke without him doing anything. You sit here and wank his striking speed yet you ignore the fact that he has to actually close whatever distance that is between them first.
What is the bold based on? Sasuke can react to Naruto. Naruto is far faster than Neji. How is Neji going to dash at Sasuke and hit him with 64 palms? Oh wait, he won't. You're wanking as usual. To land 64 palms first you have to dash at the opponent and get in range to strike them with your fingers. Neji's hand speed is very fast but his running speed is far below what Sasuke has already made child's play of.
-Neji dashes and tries to land 64 palms.
-Sasuke dodges the dash.
-Thus Neji is not in range to use 64 palms.
Lmao I love how this guy has over simplified this battle to elevate his favorite. Since when was a ninja battle with no restrictions just a Taijutsu battle? Sasuke? Fighting Neji in Taijutsu? :lol Stop it son. Stop it now.
But I already expect you to make up some nonsense because that is what people of your nature do.
you can see here that every set of the strikes is done in one panel [
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my point was that Neji has a very high hand speed. so once he strikes from a melee range then it is over. but like you said Neji need first to approach Sasuke then land the 64 palms. and Sasuke can just dodge the dash so you have a point there
No, not really, because this isn't Lee vs. Neji, this is Sasuke vs. Neji and Sasuke w/ 3-Tomoe>>>>Chunnin Exam Base Lee based on his performance against Naruto, where he whooped his ass with zero difficulty. For reference this version of Naruto moves far faster than any version of Neji in Part 1 and any version of Lee outside of the Gates in Part 1. Dodging Neji is not an issue. The only hard part of the fight is landing Chidori. You seem to believe that Neji will run at Sasuke, Sasuke will do nothing and then die but that's the train of thought a biased fan argues with.
Sasuke has the reaction and no one denied that. my point was about Taijutsu. Sasuke copied base CE Lee's movements, and just because he copied his movements does not put him on the same tier in Taijutsu skills. and even if he was in the same teir, that changes nothing. since CE Lee's Taijutsu was 3.5. and that is still inferrior to SRA Neji's
and nope. Bold was not my point
It's a SPEED feat. Not a reaction feat. Reaction feats are reactions to incoming stimuli. Neji didn't react to anything here. He attacked Kidomaru. His only speed feat here is managing to reach Kidomaru and hit him in a matter of seconds. Crossing 50m in a few seconds is not anywhere close to being an upper echelon feat for shinobi of even Neji's speed stat so bringing it up here is pointless. KN0 already has speed feats far better than this, such as blitzing a Sasuke who could already move as fast as Lee. Neji himself can't move that much faster than Lee yet Naruto blitzed a Sasuke who could at least move as fast as Lee, meaning KN0 is far faster than Lee who is on Neji's level in speed.
Good feat? Yes. Feat that proves superiority here? No. So you can stop it now.
the feat here that I wanted to point out was Neji being able to block Kidomaru's Chakra points in mid air, since that feat proves the striking speed, skills, and precision, and a good timing. he managed to strike a point with the size of tip of a needle precisely in mid air before giving his enemy a chance to hit the ground. and all that while enduring such a pain
No, he reacted to a Naruto using Kurama's chakra. KN0 is a form Naruto takes. Naruto simply borrowed chakra from Kurama back then. Two different things and it's obvious that KN0 SRA Naruto>>His Chuunin Exam self. But I never stated that Neji couldn't react so I have no idea why you even brought this up. The significance of Sasuke doing what he did to Naruto is to prove that in terms of reaction speed Sasuke's feats are far better than Neji's as Sasuke has canonically beat the hell out of an opponent, with zero difficulty no less, far faster than Neji. Am I saying he'll beat Neji the same way? No, because unlike Naruto Neji is actually skilled. Does that mean Sasuke loses? No. Period.
eh.. I agree. but I can't see Sasuke winning here since as you said Neji can also react. plus, superior Taijutsu, Hand speed and the gentle fist.
-In terms of movement speed Neji and Sasuke are on the same general level, but movement speed is hardly important here as no one can blitz the other.
-In terms of reaction speed Sasuke's feats blow Neji's out of the water as Sasuke has reacted to and destroyed KN0 who is far faster than Lee or anyone in his speed bracket, and that includes Neji.
Those two facts put together means we can forget about any stupid ass argumentation or scenario that includes Neji running at Sasuke and one shotting him with 64 Palms.
I agree a scenario like that would not likely happen
-In terms of Taijutsu skill Neji blows Sasuke out of the water, but Taijutsu stats don't determine the winner of a fight because close combat isn't just Taijutsu and even if it is (which it is NOT in this case) enhancements to physical abilities increase one's effectiveness in close combat/Taijutsu. Sasuke's reaction speed w/ 3-Tomoe blows Neji's out of the water by feats. Sasuke has copied the moves of someone like Lee, and Lee's score in Taijutsu is .5 away from Neji's. Though clashing with Neji is deadly due to Gentle Fist, but again, Sasuke has consistently dodged and landed hits on someone far faster than him and he has Chidori so Sasuke being unable to clash fists with him does not matter.
Naruto w/ Kurama's power broke through a half way done rotation. Chidori ripped through Gaara's Sand Dome (his strongest defense at the time) and it tore off his arm in his partial transformation. If Chidori makes contact Neji dies. If Neji tries to engage Sasuke w/ Chidori without using Rotation he dies extremely low difficulty. I already know you or some other fanboy will try to say "b-b-b-but he's so much better at the taijutusus so he'll dodge Chidori and hit Sasuke's arm", so I'll just say right now that no, that nonsense is not happening.
don't forget that Neji can also react since Sasuke is not fast or skilled enough to outmaneuver him. and as you said before, just because he managed to land some hits on Kn0 Naruto that doesn't mean that he would be able to do the same to Neji. since unlike Neji, Naruto's Taijutsu is garbage. I agree that the Taijutsu alone don't determine the victory, but lets not forget that it is a big factor here. since the more skilled you are, the easier it is to dodge and to parry and to land blows on an opponent. but then again Sasuke has the reaction speed which would make up for his inferiority in Taijutsu. so basically, can Sasuke react to Neji ? yes. can Neji react to Sasuke ? yes.
then who the **** going to win this ?
well.. in CQC it is obviously Neji, since all Neji needs is a mere taps. and he has a superior hand speed, superior Taijutsu, he just has the upper hand here. so Sasuke would be taken down eventually.
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I mean.. superior Taijutsu, the same tier on speed, superior hand speed, you didn't give anything to support the Bold
-No feats that let Neji outmaneuver someone of Sasuke's speed like that.
-Sasuke has already reacted to someone far above his speed level so how will Neji be fast enough to outmaneuver Sasuke in this manner? I'll wait.
its funny in one thread this guy takes databook for face value to prove neji's superiority over sasuke while on another thread completely ignores same databook to wank how hinata beats sakura :lol
its funny in one thread this guy takes databook for face value to prove neji's superiority over sasuke while on another thread completely ignores same databook to wank how hinata beats sakura :lol
you can see here that every set of the strikes is done in one panel [
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How does "done in one panel" equate to a second? How does that equate to Sasuke being unable to dodge? Regardless this doesn't matter because we've already agreed that Sasuke doesn't need to be able to react to each and every strike to evade the jutsu.
Sasuke has the reaction and no one denied that. my point was about Taijutsu. Sasuke copied base CE Lee's movements, and just because he copied his movements does not put him on the same tier in Taijutsu skills. and even if he was in the same teir, that changes nothing. since CE Lee's Taijutsu was 3.5. and that is still inferrior to SRA Neji's
Then stop making this point, cause I've agreed already that Neji rapes him in TAIJUTSU, but this is not Taijutsu only.
the feat here that I wanted to point out was Neji being able to block Kidomaru's Chakra points in mid air, since that feat proves the striking speed, skills, and precision, and a good timing. he managed to strike a point with the size of tip of a needle precisely in mid air before giving his enemy a chance to hit the ground. and all that while enduring such a pain
Precision, timing and striking speed are things highlighted in that feat yes, but how does any of that equate to Sasuke dying against Neji here? It doesn't. I get your point but stop pushing it if it's not going to help you in the long run.
eh.. I agree. but I can't see Sasuke winning here since as you said Neji can also react. plus, superior Taijutsu, Hand speed and the gentle fist.
But Sasuke doesn't need to blitz Neji to win, he only needs to land Chidori, and that's not hard considering if it's ever used in close quarters Neji's only answer is to rotate to block it. Gentle Fist shuts down all hand to hand combat, but Sasuke doesn't need that to win. Superior Taijutsu falls into that same category.
don't forget that Neji can also react since Sasuke is not fast or skilled enough to outmaneuver him. and as you said before, just because he managed to land some hits on Kn0 Naruto that doesn't mean that he would be able to do the same to Neji. since unlike Neji, Naruto's Taijutsu is garbage. I agree that the Taijutsu alone don't determine the victory, but lets not forget that it is a big factor here. since the more skilled you are, the easier it is to dodge and to parry and to land blows on an opponent. but then again Sasuke has the reaction speed which would make up for his inferiority in Taijutsu. so basically, can Sasuke react to Neji ? yes. can Neji react to Sasuke ? yes.
Yes, Neji can react, but like I said above that doesn't mean Sasuke won't win nor did I say that he does Neji the same way he did Naruto. In fact I explicitly stated that Neji won't get fodderized like that because of superior Taijutsu skill and gentle fist. That's just a feat that shows someone far faster than Neji being hit, thus Neji doesn't have the capability to weave Sasuke's each and every attack consistently.
Yes, the more skilled you are the easier it'll be to dodge and parry, but in terms of dodging (this especially) and blocking/counter attacks speed is more important than skill.
You're under the impression that since Neji and Sasuke can both react to other that neither will land any hits even though that ignores the Ninjutsu aspect of this fight. If Sasuke uses Chidori Neji has to defend or evade, and if he's in close quarters he won't be evading. He'll be forced to defend, and that's how he loses.
well.. in CQC it is obviously Neji, since all Neji needs is a mere taps. and he has a superior hand speed, superior Taijutsu, he just has the upper hand here. so Sasuke would be taken down eventually.
Nope. Addressed above and will be addressed below. This isn't hand to hand so this reasoning is incomplete.
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Show me that Neji has the level of speed Itachi has to outmaneuver, grab and disable the points in Sasuke's arm and then you'll have a point. Neji isn't faster than Sasuke. Not sure why you keep stating this. Look at the DB scores. Sasuke has a 3.5 in speed, Neji has a 4. However Sasuke copied Lee's speed and Lee is a 4. Thus they are on the same level. Sasuke's reaction speed>>Neji's by feats as shown by him reacting to Naruto how he did. Itachi had far superior skills and far superior movement and reaction speed. Neji is only more skilled in TAIJUTSU, (Taijutsu doesn't encompass every reflexive body movement nor does one having a higher skill than another automatically mean that every move someone with a lower score makes can be replicated by one with a higher score, Taijutsu stat=How good you are in hand to hand, nothing more nothing less) he's not faster let alone far faster so he'd never ever be able to do something like this.
So Neji isn't faster than Sasuke in any measure. Being more skilled in Taijutsu doesn't mean that you'll be able to do that to an opponent who moves as fast as you and reacts faster than you. Itachi only did that because he's far faster than Sasuke.
I mean.. superior Taijutsu, the same tier on speed, superior hand speed, you didn't give anything to support the Bold
2. I don't need to regardless because it's a claim you made. You are claiming that Neji can dodge Chidori and disable the chakra points in Sasuke's arm using Itachi's feat as a reference ignoring the fact that Itachi and Neji are not the same person and also ignoring the fact that you need to SUPPORT Neji being able to do this with actual feats and not your opinion.
okay.. even if Neji can't outmaneuver Sasuke. can Sasuke outmaneuver Neji ?
How does "done in one panel" equate to a second? How does that equate to Sasuke being unable to dodge? Regardless this doesn't matter because we've already agreed that Sasuke doesn't need to be able to react to each and every strike to evade the jutsu.
well.. it doesn't, but judging from the Manga scans, the Jutsu is obviously done in a matter of seconds, however I agree. there is no point in arguing that since we've already agreed that Sasuke can easily evade the Jutsu. the main point is that Neji has a superior hand speed which would help him here
Then stop making this point, cause I've agreed already that Neji rapes him in TAIJUTSU, but this is not Taijutsu only.
Precision, timing and striking speed are things highlighted in that feat yes, but how does any of that equate to Sasuke dying against Neji here? It doesn't. I get your point but stop pushing it if it's not going to help you in the long run.
Yes, Neji can react, but like I said above that doesn't mean Sasuke won't win nor did I say that he does Neji the same way he did Naruto. In fact I explicitly stated that Neji won't get fodderized like that because of superior Taijutsu skill and gentle fist. That's just a feat that shows someone far faster than Neji being hit, thus Neji doesn't have the capability to weave Sasuke's each and every attack consistently.
Yes, the more skilled you are the easier it'll be to dodge and parry, but in terms of dodging (this especially) and blocking/counter attacks speed is more important than skill.
I agree that in terms of dodging speed is more essential. but in terms of blocking/counter attack, what do you think is more essential. foot speed or hand speed ?
also when you are more skilled in Taijutsu, that basically saying that you are more expertise in the use of body movements against an opponent, that's why it is more important in terms of blocking/counter attacks than speed
Show me that Neji has the level of speed Itachi has to outmaneuver, grab and disable the points in Sasuke's arm and then you'll have a point. Neji isn't faster than Sasuke. Not sure why you keep stating this. Look at the DB scores. Sasuke has a 3.5 in speed, Neji has a 4. However Sasuke copied Lee's speed and Lee is a 4. Thus they are on the same level. Sasuke's reaction speed>>Neji's by feats as shown by him reacting to Naruto how he did. Itachi had far superior skills and far superior movement and reaction speed. Neji is only more skilled in TAIJUTSU, (Taijutsu doesn't encompass every reflexive body movement nor does one having a higher skill than another automatically mean that every move someone with a lower score makes can be replicated by one with a higher score, Taijutsu stat=How good you are in hand to hand, nothing more nothing less) he's not faster let alone far faster so he'd never ever be able to do something like this.
So Neji isn't faster than Sasuke in any measure. Being more skilled in Taijutsu doesn't mean that you'll be able to do that to an opponent who moves as fast as you and reacts faster than you. Itachi only did that because he's far faster than Sasuke.
just what is so special about Chidori that Neji would not be able to dodge it ? and I've already agreed that Sasuke speed = Neji's, but just because that they are the same tier in speed does that mean that they won't be able to dodge each others attacks, does that mean that Neji would not be able to dodge a punch from Sasuke i.e ?
and I know that a normal punch =/= Chidori, but my point is that what is so special about Chidori ? does it enhances the user speed when performed ? also wouldn't it decrease Sasuke's reaction speed when using it ?
and one aspect that you forgot and that is the hand speed. Neji is far superior than Sasuke when it comes to hand speed. so all Neji needs to do is to dodge the strike, then hit Sasuke's hand.
can Neji strike Sasuke's hand ? well he has striking speed, precision, and good timing. but the real question is, can he dodge the Chidori in the first place to be able to strike Sasuke's hand ? well you have yet to tell me why Neji wouldn't be able to dodge it.
also he can counter it since he is more skilled in Taijutsu, and Taijutsu skills is more important when it comes to countering attacks as explained above
But Sasuke doesn't need to blitz Neji to win, he only needs to land Chidori, and that's not hard considering if it's ever used in close quarters Neji's only answer is to rotate to block it. Gentle Fist shuts down all hand to hand combat, but Sasuke doesn't need that to win. Superior Taijutsu falls into that same category.
You're under the impression that since Neji and Sasuke can both react to other that neither will land any hits even though that ignores the Ninjutsu aspect of this fight. If Sasuke uses Chidori Neji has to defend or evade, and if he's in close quarters he won't be evading. He'll be forced to defend, and that's how he loses.
Nope. Addressed above and will be addressed below. This isn't hand to hand so this reasoning is incomplete.
okay.. lets say that Neji would not be able to dodge or evade a Chidori. he can still use Kaiten, and even if Chidori can breach Kaiten then Sasuke would still get most of the damage from the explosion especially his arm. and Chidori require a huge amount of Chakra, and Sasuke can only use it twice a day. I will repeat myself again, just how can Sasuke win this ?
No. 3-Tomoe decisively wins and Curse Mark level 1 and beyond is where Neji gets destroyed. Your own subpar argumentation shows this.
I agree that in terms of dodging speed is more essential. but in terms of blocking/counter attack, what do you think is more essential. foot speed or hand speed ?
Neither. Hand speed usually refers to striking speed and that's where Neji excels. Being able to strike fast doesn't mean you can block just as fast. The correlation is almost zero. Reaction speed is what is more important than both of them.
also when you are more skilled in Taijutsu, that basically saying that you are more expertise in the use of body movements against an opponent, that's why it is more important in terms of blocking/counter attacks than speed
No, it means that you are better in hand to hand, not overall movement of the body. Itachi and Sasuke's reflexive movements and speed surpass Tsunade's yet Tsunade has a higher Taijutsu stat than both of them. She has a 5. Sasuke has a 3.5 and Itachi has a 4.5. Speed is what is important here, and that correlates to this example because Itachi>Hebi Sasuke>>Tsunade in all forms of speed.
just what is so special about Chidori that Neji would not be able to dodge it ? and I've already agreed that Sasuke speed = Neji's, but just because that they are the same tier in speed does that mean that they won't be able to dodge each others attacks, does that mean that Neji would not be able to dodge a punch from Sasuke i.e ?
If Sasuke and Neji are in close combat there is no distance between them. Chidori can be used as a melee type attack or it can be used traditionally where he runs and pierces the foe. If he's in Neji's face and he uses Chidori then Neji most likely won't dodge in time, especially since his answer to Naruto's strike from close range was Rotation instead of a simple dodge.
-Neji and Sasuke engage in close combat.
-Sasuke uses Chidori.
-If Neji tries to evade Sasuke tracks his movements (like he did to the far faster opponent) and then nails him.
-If Neji uses tries to use any kind of Gentle Fist Sasuke rips right through him since none of his offensive attacks can block Chidori.
-If he uses Rotation Chidori pierces through it.
If Sasuke wants to set up Chidori like he did against Naruto, he can use wires and/or Katon to force Neji to either dodge or use Rotation and then when Neji has left himself open Sasuke attacks with Chidori.
and I know that a normal punch =/= Chidori, but my point is that what is so special about Chidori ? does it enhances the user speed when performed ? also wouldn't it decrease Sasuke's reaction speed when using it ?
Sharingan prevents the bold, and no, it doesn't enhance speed. What's special about it is that Neji either has to dodge or block which puts him on the defensive.
and one aspect that you forgot and that is the hand speed. Neji is far superior than Sasuke when it comes to hand speed. so all Neji needs to do is to dodge the strike, then hit Sasuke's hand.
can Neji strike Sasuke's hand ? well he has striking speed, precision, and good timing. but the real question is, can he dodge the Chidori in the first place to be able to strike Sasuke's hand ? well you have yet to tell me why Neji wouldn't be able to dodge it.
also he can counter it since he is more skilled in Taijutsu, and Taijutsu skills is more important when it comes to countering attacks as explained above
No, no and no. I addressed this entire line of thinking in my last post. Neji being more skilled doesn't equate to him dodging all of Sasuke's attacks and doing what Itachi did. He is not Itachi. :lol Itachi is tiers above Neji. Your argument is "Neji has a higher Taijutsu score so he parries Chidori" when that isn't evidence. There's literally no correlation between his Taijutsu score and what Itachi did to Sasuke. None whatsoever.
okay.. lets say that Neji would not be able to dodge or evade a Chidori. he can still use Kaiten, and even if Chidori can breach Kaiten then Sasuke would still get most of the damage from the explosion especially his arm. and Chidori require a huge amount of Chakra, and Sasuke can only use it twice a day. I will repeat myself again, just how can Sasuke win this ?
If Chidori overpowers Kaiten obviously Sasuke isn't going to take the damage. Naruto crashed into an incomplete Kaiten and took the damage because his tech wasn't strong enough to break all the way through. If Chidori hits Kaiten it pierces through and Neji dies. 2 chances at using the jutsu is not an issue here as he only needs 2 chances at most to land it.
nah.. I think that Neji would beat 3T Sasuke, but it is not a stomp though. IDK about CM lvl1, but CM lvl 2 would definitely stomp
When u started spewing hinata will destroy sakura in cqc becoz she has .5 advantage in DB completely ignoring she is behind base sakura in
every other forte including speed and reflex let alone Byakugou enhanced.Taijutsu isn't the sole factor in cqc
Sakura has also shown ability to use poison; sleep bombs and paper bombs either of which hinata hasn't shown anything to defend against.
Your whole point in every thread revolves around since a char has good taijutsu and reflex he will win in cqc completely ignoring the other might have better speed or reflex or is proficient in cqc such as kenjutsu or much larger firepower to decimate its opponent
Neither. Hand speed usually refers to striking speed and that's where Neji excels. Being able to strike fast doesn't mean you can block just as fast. The correlation is almost zero. Reaction speed is what is more important than both of them.
No, it means that you are better in hand to hand, not overall movement of the body. Itachi and Sasuke's reflexive movements and speed surpass Tsunade's yet Tsunade has a higher Taijutsu stat than both of them. She has a 5. Sasuke has a 3.5 and Itachi has a 4.5. Speed is what is important here, and that correlates to this example because Itachi>Hebi Sasuke>>Tsunade in all forms of speed.
If Sasuke and Neji are in close combat there is no distance between them. Chidori can be used as a melee type attack or it can be used traditionally where he runs and pierces the foe. If he's in Neji's face and he uses Chidori then Neji most likely won't dodge in time, especially since his answer to Naruto's strike from close range was Rotation instead of a simple dodge.
-Neji and Sasuke engage in close combat.
-Sasuke uses Chidori.
-If Neji tries to evade Sasuke tracks his movements (like he did to the far faster opponent) and then nails him.
-If Neji uses tries to use any kind of Gentle Fist Sasuke rips right through him since none of his offensive attacks can block Chidori.
-If he uses Rotation Chidori pierces through it.
If Sasuke wants to set up Chidori like he did against Naruto, he can use wires and/or Katon to force Neji to either dodge or use Rotation and then when Neji has left himself open Sasuke attacks with Chidori.
Sharingan prevents the bold, and no, it doesn't enhance speed. What's special about it is that Neji either has to dodge or block which puts him on the defensive.
Addressed above.
No, no and no. I addressed this entire line of thinking in my last post. Neji being more skilled doesn't equate to him dodging all of Sasuke's attacks and doing what Itachi did. He is not Itachi. :lol Itachi is tiers above Neji. Your argument is "Neji has a higher Taijutsu score so he parries Chidori" when that isn't evidence. There's literally no correlation between his Taijutsu score and what Itachi did to Sasuke. None whatsoever.
If Chidori overpowers Kaiten obviously Sasuke isn't going to take the damage. Naruto crashed into an incomplete Kaiten and took the damage because his tech wasn't strong enough to break all the way through. If Chidori hits Kaiten it pierces through and Neji dies. 2 chances at using the jutsu is not an issue here as he only needs 2 chances at most to land it.
Kid Gamer if that is the case then wouldnt CE Sasuke take down CE Neji ? Sasuke has the same speed as lee but he also has the sharingan. Lee specifically stated that "you can anticipate my moves all you want but what good is that going to do for if you are too slow".CE Sasuke and Neji has the same speed , heck even pre-chunnin exams Sasuke was keeping up w the speed of Lord Orochimaru who by far shown better speed feats than Neji at that point in time. Neji is going to have a hard time because even w the 2 tomoe sharingan, Sasuke was more than capable enough to copy his opponents movements and predicting their next step at ease. Now lets talk about Sasuke's chidori. it is going to pierce through any defense that neji has. It has been started multiple times that chidori can pierce through virtually anything.
