Sarada Uchiha and Japanaese Culture of Pedophilia

[iNotorious]

lol because murder and sexual objectification are totally on the same level. Sick argument.

B-but they are kids?

 

[To Whatever]

lol because murder and sexual objectification are totally on the same level. Sick argument.

Always found it interesting how defensive anime fans get over their fanservice. *** is everywhere in the media, sure- but clearly nothing conditions it's viewers like anime does. This sh*t isn't normal.

It's not the end of the world but calling out blatant disrespect and possible pedophilic themes doesn't make us the weird ones haha.

you consider Sarada's clothing as fanservice? I mean I don't agree with her clothes but you act like she's giving panty shots.



Come to think of it, you also knew about a porno of Sarada.

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you sound suspect...

 

[Sagebee]

lol because murder and sexual objectification are totally on the same level. Sick argument.

Always found it interesting how defensive anime fans get over their fanservice. *** is everywhere in the media, sure- but clearly nothing conditions it's viewers like anime does. This sh*t isn't normal.

It's not the end of the world but calling out blatant disrespect and possible pedophilic themes doesn't make us the weird ones haha.

So sexual objectification is worse

The issue with what mikas saying is she's pretty much calling Japan and the artist child molesters for it which I find extreme and unfair.

 

[iNotorious]

NDS has reached Tumblr level. Hope reddit or 4chan never change

 

[minamoto]

This is the worst attempt at a diss track i've ever heard.

Being patronising isn't helping anything, people get to discuss what they like. We're on an internet forum about a japanese series, cultural differences might just come up.

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[Made in Heaven]

you consider Sarada's clothing as fanservice? I mean I don't agree with her clothes but you act like she's giving panty shots.



Come to think of it, you also knew about a porno of Sarada.

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you sound suspect...

Are you referring to that NaruSaku porno?

 

[Mikasa Hagaromo]

lol because murder and sexual objectification are totally on the same level. Sick argument.

Always found it interesting how defensive anime fans get over their fanservice. *** is everywhere in the media, sure- but clearly nothing conditions it's viewers like anime does. This sh*t isn't normal.

It's not the end of the world but calling out blatant disrespect and possible pedophilic themes doesn't make us the weird ones haha.

Right? Defending this fckry. They might enjoy it at a certain level.

You're a weirdo who'd sooner make petitions and complain about a dress in a letter to the National Diet than write to your own mayor or governor about issues effecting your own country.

Lol!!!! If you only knew my level of community and political involvement my dear. Carry on.

 

[BlackBison]

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Good read here. I'm sorry, I can't continue to read the Boruto manga so long as they continue to dress her this way. For a grown a$$ man to design a 12 y/o this way and for Kishi and the publisher to allow it. I just can't.

F&ck Ikimoto (or whatever the fck his name is) and f&ck this manga until I see that skirt lengthened and that neckline raised and those awful bandages removed.

And this last chapter was underwhelming asf btw. I waited a month for this sh!t?! I dont think so.

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Japan’s ‘Moe’ obsession: the purest form of love, or creepy fetishization of young girls?
BY TIM HORNYAK
SPECIAL TO THE JAPAN TIMES
JUL 26, 2014 ARTICLE HISTORY PRINT SHARE
Anyone who has visited Tokyo’s Akihabara district in the past decade will have run into countless images of cartoonish girls: in posters, in figurines and in the form of real women dressed up as French maids.

The Moe Manifesto, by Patrick W. Galbraith.
Tuttle Publishing, Nonfiction.
The cute cartoon girls, or bishōjo, are visual hieroglyphics in the language of otaku (obsessive) desire. Their dewy saucer-like Bambi eyes seem to encode an inscrutable message that can be bewildering to the uninitiated. Why the endless repetition of this waif? Is there some pre-“Sailor Moon” archetype they are trying to recapture? What does it all mean?

Otaku scholar Patrick W. Galbraith has tried to decipher the semiotics by focusing on one keyword in the otaku lexicon: moe (for some reason written with a French accent over the “e” in his book, unlike “anime”). It’s from the Japanese verb moeru, meaning either to burst into bud or to burn, depending on the way it’s written. In geek-speak, it signifies the emotional attachment that otaku feel for their favorite characters. Galbraith’s “The Moe Manifesto” is a collection of 19 interviews with manga and anime artists and producers that aims to better understand what motivates otaku.

I confess that although I enjoy quality anime, I’m no fan of moe. To me it is shorthand for moeru gomi (burnable trash). But I read this book in hopes of gaining insight into what would make grown men — and many if not most otaku are such — obsess over cartoon girls. Is it a sexual fetish? A Peter Pan complex? Or some other unfulfilled desire?

Galbraith doesn’t delve far into the psychological motivation behind moe, even in the book’s final interview, with psychiatrist Tamaki Saito.

“Moe is quasi-love for a fictional character,” Saito says, echoing the definitions by other interviewees. “You can desire something in the two-dimensional world that you don’t desire in the three-dimensional world. … There is a truism in otaku culture that those who feel moe for little-sister characters in manga and anime don’t have little sisters. If these men actually had little sisters, then the reality of that would ruin the fantasy.”

Creepy? Perhaps. It may be reassuring to those who feel that moe “love” is simply pedophilia — a word that doesn’t appear once in Galbraith’s book — but it is hard not to feel revulsion over some of the illustrations in the book, particularly those by artist Pop, who depicts a prepubescent cartoon girl, legs splayed out and crotch thrust at the viewer. “I like thighs, and so I draw full-body portraits from a low-angle perspective,” Pop is quoted as saying. (Decades after the rest of the developed world, Japan last month finally outlawed the possession of child pornography, but the ban doesn’t affect anime and manga publishers.)

Galbraith can perhaps be forgiven his many softball questions to his subjects as he is an unabashed otaku himself, known for dressing up as Goku from the popular mange and anime franchise “Dragon Ball.” Indeed, he waxes emotional about his participation in a 2007 march through Akihabara calling for tolerance of otaku and cosplaying. “What these protesters wanted,” he writes, “was to maintain the space where they could publicly express their love for bishōjo.”

The event inspired the book’s title, although it contains no manifesto per se. What it does offer is some very deep inside baseball on the origins and manifestations of moe. Like-minded fans will appreciate its detailed account of the magazine Manga Burikko, where the word “otaku” surfaced in the early 1980s in a column by Akio Nakamori, as well as the popularization of the word “moe” following the film “Densha Otoko (Train Man).” Readers will also learn about how the producers of the 1982-83 anime “Maho no Princess Minky Momo (Magical Princess Minky Momo),” aimed squarely at girls 3 to 5 years old, were stunned to find it had been appropriated by otaku: Adult male devotees had formed a fan club.

While moe-inducing characters are also produced and appreciated by women, some of whom Galbraith also interviews, the most extreme male enthusiasts espouse a fascinating, if pathetic, philosophy of love. When asked what moe means to him, Jun Maeda, a writer of bishōjo dating simulation video games, is frank: “It’s a reason to live. If it were to be taken away, many people would no longer be able to survive.” To the unattractive, economically downtrodden otaku, ersatz affection from virtual women can be far more preferable than almost certain failure with real ones. Indeed, fans of the hit dating sim “LovePlus,” which has had multiple sequels, can profess “relationships” with imaginary girls even though it’s a complete illusion.

“You can interact with a two-dimensional girl in real time, which is a dream come true for me, because I have no interest in three-dimensional women,” otaku author Toru Honda says of the game. “Years ago I married a character from a bishōjo game. … Her name is Kawana Misaki.”

Like Christian monks bent on salvation, such otaku have to some extent renounced the material world in favor of fantasy. Indeed, the cover of one of Honda’s books portrays the Virgin Mary, begging the question: Is love of fantasy characters any more ridiculous than love of divine ones? If society accepts those who profess a faith, why shouldn’t otaku be left in the peace of eternal childhood?

Galbraith, for his part, exhorts readers to “embrace love rather than condemn it.” While “The Moe Manifesto” could have benefited from a certain distance from its subject and deeper analysis of a provocative cultural phenomenon, it gives fans and academics some fine source material. Lavishly illustrated and with a glossary for neophytes, it’s a welcome addition to any otaku bookshelf — right beside the “Sailor Moon” dolls.

Now I understand Kishi's conservatism by making Naruto and Hinata wait until they were older to even enter a relationship. He's probably conscientious of his nation's pedophilic tendencies and wanted to move against them in a way.

Another article. SMDH. Yep. I'm done. Bye ya'll

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Japan's Shame
By TIM LARIMER Monday, Apr. 19, 1999

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TIM LARIMER TokyoPolice superintendent Keiji Goto logs onto his Toshiba laptop, opens his Netscape Internet browser and moves his mouse to the Yahoo! Japan search engine. He types in adult. Down the screen scrolls a list of site categories, many of them with the telltale suffix jp, denoting that they originate in Japan. He clicks on one that promises images of lolitas. The home page appears with a picture of a pig-tailed Japanese girl in a sailor-style school uniform. He clicks again. On the screen appears another teenager, this one naked. Click. A girl is bound and gagged. Click. Another is being fondled. Child pornography, Goto says, is our national shame. It's also the latest export market to be dominated by Japan. The country lags far behind the U.S. in the hottest industry of the 1990s, electronic commerce. Japan has just two of the world's top 100 information-technology companies, according to a Business Week survey, compared with 57 from the U.S. In one area of dubious distinction, however, jp.com competes with the best: child pornography. According to estimates from Interpol, as much as 80% of the child porn available on commercial sites worldwide originates in Japan. A police study found more than 3,000 Websites based in Japan distributing pornography, 40% of them featuring children. Policing porn on the Internet is difficult anywhere, says Ralf Mutschke, assistant director of Interpol's criminal division. But most of the world at least has laws that prohibit child pornography. Japan doesn't.

This lack of legislation frustrates global attempts to crack down. We're asked by international police to help arrest child pornographers, but there's nothing we can do, says Goto, deputy director of the National Police Agency's community safety bureau. Japan's criminal law prohibits *** with minors, but a minor is defined as someone age 12 or younger, and the only act specifically outlawed is sexual intercourse. Taking lewd pictures of children is permissible. Some pornography--both with adults and children--is banned under an obscenity code, but only if it explicitly shows genitalia.

To show how difficult it is to prosecute, Goto zooms in on an onscreen photo of a naked girl. Bright pink Japanese characters spelling secret cover the girl's crotch. Employing special software that can be downloaded for free from other websites, Goto electronically removes the computer-generated fig leaf. Yet even this full frontal nudity can't be legally called obscene. The photo is a little fuzzy there, Goto points out. It's not really clear enough. Some especially sensational cases have been prosecuted. In March, a real-estate company owner was arrested for selling CD-ROMs containing hundreds of child porn videos apiece, all downloaded from the Internet. In January, a schoolteacher was accused of dressing up in wig and skirt to take videos of women bathing at a hot spring resort in Fukui. In March, a mother was arrested for letting men have *** with her 15-year-old daughter for $85 a session. Another mother was sentenced to four years probation in December for taking $850 from an Osaka hospital employee to photograph her 10-year-old daughter in the nude. Last year, a 35-year-old high school teacher in Gifu was accused of taking videos underneath girls' skirts by standing under a staircase.

It's an embarrassment, says Mayumi Moriyama, a member of the lower house of parliament and a former education minister. Anyone who wants to buy, sell or produce child pornography comes to Japan. We make it easy for them. Moriyama, a member of the dominant Liberal Democratic Party, joined several opposition lawmakers last week in introducing legislation to crack down on the scourge. A watered-down version of a bill that failed to pass last year, the law is far from perfect. It wouldn't make possession of child porn illegal. And the definition of what kind of pornography is punishable, while broader than the current obscenity code, would remain vague, making prosecution difficult. But the law would impose prison terms of up to three years for people who distribute, sell or display child pornography.

New regulations crafted to control child porn on the Net went into effect last week, but these are weakly worded as well. It requires distributors to register with the police (but threatens no penalties if they do not) and asks Internet service providers to remove objectionable material voluntarily. The ojii-san (old men) don't understand cyberspace, so they don't understand how easy it is for pornographic photos of Japanese children to get sent all over the world, says Yutaka Iimori, a coordinator with the CyberAngels, a group whose 33 volunteers scan the Internet on their home computers and collect pornographic addresses, which are then turned over to the police.
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The standard opposition to any attempt at curbing porn is that it infringes upon free speech, a concept handed to Japan by the U.S. after World War II and, as in America, defended fiercely by activists. I quite agree that we have to fight against the sexual abuse of children, says parliament member Yukio Edano. But we have to weigh that against protecting the rights to free speech.

Preventing people from getting their hands on pornography doesn't seem to be much of a threat right now. The country is awash in child porn, and there's little attempt at hiding it. Subway riders peruse pornographic comics that are explicit, graphic and sometimes violent in their depiction of young girls. Porn outlets dot the landscape of Japanese cities, and even mainstream book shops, newsstands and convenience stores sell explicit material. General interest magazines and newspapers also feature erotic photography, as well as advertisements for *** shops and escorts.

Countless magazines and videos offer images of girls dressed in school uniforms, a favorite fantasy. Girls in physical education classes and at swimming pools sometimes become unknowing subjects of clandestine photographers. Their handiwork ends up filling pages of specialized magazines that show girls in shorts or underwear or undressing in public changing rooms. Much of it ends up on the Internet, as well. We get asked all the time by men to go with them to hotels to take naked pictures, says a 14-year-old girl loitering outside a bar in one of Tokyo's neon-lit entertainment meccas, Ikebukuro. On a rainy Saturday night, the streets are jammed with young girls and male recruiters, called scouts, who try to coax the girls into clubs that feature advertising placards depicting cartoon schoolgirls and come-ons like Let's enjoy play with sexy girls. Usually I say no, she insists. But if they give me 80,000 yen [$675], I'll do it.

Japan has a polite term for the teen-*** peddlers: enjo kosai, which translates as supportive relationship. According to Junko Miyamoto, coordinator of a private group campaigning to stop sexual exploitation of children, the term was invented to make prostitution sound O.K. Of the dozens of girls Time recently interviewed, each said she had been offered money to have *** or be photographed nude. There are myriad ways for male customers to hook up with enjo kosai: karaoke lounges, love hotels, strip clubs, magazine ads and telephone clubs where men sit in a booth and take calls from girls dialing in on their cell phones. The problem is people don't regard this as sexual exploitation, says Miyamoto. They regard it as misbehaving kids.

The common explanation for Japan's tolerance of child porn is that the country is run by a clique of old men with little sensitivity toward women and children. But it's not just old men who are involved. Most of our customers are in their 30s, says Seiji Wasaki, 27, a clerk in a porn shop in Tokyo's Shinjuku entertainment district. Parliament member Edano, at 34 one of Japan's youngest politicians, views it as a matter of choice. You can't neglect the fact that some high school girls quite willingly do this, he says. If the girl and the man agree to exchange money for ***, and if it's really her will, then it is completely the act of individuals and shouldn't be regulated. The problem, Edano says, is that the girls haven't been properly educated to make an informed decision. A man who frequents teen prostitutes (and who prefers not to be identified) claims that two years ago, the going rate for *** with a 16-year-old girl was $250. Today, men want younger partners. A tryst with a 12-year-old costs more than $400.

There's another theory for the obsession with pedophilia: that Japanese men feel threatened by adult women. Many men are incapable of relating to adult women on an equal stance, says Yukihiro Murase, a professor of human sexuality at Tokyo's Hitotsubashi University. Whatever the explanation, it won't be easy getting a tough law against child porn through the male-dominated parliament. In fact, a similar effort failed last year. But the exposure of Japan's child porn on the Internet may serve a useful purpose for cracking down on this shameful trade, for it has brought the smut out of the insular world of Japan for all the world to see. We feel embarrassed, says parliament member Moriyama. So now we want to hurry up and do something.

With reporting by Mari Calder, Sachiko Sakamaki, Hiroko Tashiro and Anne Usher/Tokyo

A problem is that people are taking this way out there like sarada is the first character to be shown to act/dress older than she is. Hell the main problem doesn't even seem to be the skirt (because she is not the only new gen wearing a short skirt) but the heels which puts a heavy emphasis on her legs. Also people had a problem with yodo, with her shirt showing cleavage and her being 12-13. This seems to be a Japanese thing. Naruto characters aren't even the worse of this fact. Anyone who has read/watch dragonball knows kid chi chi walked around in a two piece bikini and she was 10-12.

Also people seem to take what *********** version of sarada's line out of context (doesn't quite matter if the translation was right or wrong). She was trying to get under the dude's skin, kinda like being the female version of sasuke. Basically, her line was saying that you aren't worth my time so send out your boss. A child is telling a grown man your worthless is what the line was saying. From the next panel you can see this by how he reacted.

So to clarify the above, this seems to be a Japanese culture thing that doesn't mean all Japanese men are pedophiles. If you read/watch enough anime/manga you will see this more times than naught. So on that note if you see this in whatever you are reading/watching you can try to accept that fact that this is in their culture and try to enjoy the rest of the content. If you can't move on to something else. Unless you put money into whatever you are reading/watching then it shouldn't be that hard to move on to something else.

 

[lndra]

I don't get how people know about next generation hentai. What ya'll doing in incognito?

 

[To Whatever]

I don't get how people know about next generation hentai. What ya'll doing in incognito?

that's what im sayin.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I don't get how people know about next generation hentai. What ya'll doing in incognito?

That NS comic became infamous after the series ended tho :lol It was made by a bunch of NS fans upset at the ending and supposedly vented by making a very disturbing NarutoXSakuraXSalad comic. Very pathetic tbh.

 

[lndra]

That NS comic became infamous after the series ended tho :lol It was made by a bunch of NS fans upset at the ending and supposedly vented by making a very disturbing NarutoXSakuraXSalad comic. Very pathetic tbh.

Not surprised that a NS fan made it. I try to stray away from that hentai shit, too distracting. Like there's place where they actually sell naruto 'images' online, if you catch my drift.

that's what im sayin.

People look key pedoing out here XD

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

So sexual objectification is worse

Nope. The point is that sexual objectification is far less severe than murder and thus a lot more common and easy to normalise.

Come to think of it, you also knew about a porno of Sarada.

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you sound suspect...

If you weren't so busy trying to sound condescending and important than engage with one of the more interesting threads we have on this site these days then you'd know i'm against it.

Weird subversion though...do you win all your debates by labelling people as pedophiles? I've been on the internet before and run a Naruto series that finds some weird fan-sh*t, no need to be a dick about it. xox

NDS has reached Tumblr level. Hope reddit or 4chan never change

edgemaster alert

Reddit say the same thing about Sarada's redesign. Even Youtube does. Youtube.

 

[To Whatever]

Nope. The point is that sexual objectification is far less severe than murder and thus a lot more common and easy to normalise.



If you weren't so busy trying to sound condescending and important than engage with one of the more interesting threads we have on this site these days then you'd know i'm against it.

Weird subversion though...do you win all your debates by labelling people as pedophiles? I've been on the internet before and run a Naruto series that finds some weird fan-sh*t, no need to be a dick about it. xox



edgemaster alert

Reddit say the same thing about Sarada's redesign. Even Youtube does. Youtube.

-I didn't label you as a pedo.
-This discussion isn't interesting.
-I was just wondering how you knew about a hentai porno of a child is all. You don't just stumble across that type of shit. It is suspect.
-you and the OP circle jerking over a dress doesn't change anything.

 

[King Of Pop]

OMG, are you really comparing this:

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to this?!

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Ma *****h! Nah! The Asians love their short skirts. I lived in korea for a few years and visited China and Japan multiple times. they rock their short skirts and heels 24/7 and not even the snow and ice stops them.....the grown a$$ women that is.....but Sarada with the higher heel than 50 y/o Tsunade is over the top.....this mangaka clearly went out of his way to turn a 12 y/o into a *** symbol...wtf?!.....and the line about whether the dude whose ass she beats is her type....wtf ma *****h?!...nah!




I'll sh!t on other countries when the occasion requires. Right now we're talking about Japanese culture based on what I'm seeing in a Japanese product. You're one of those "all lives matter" n!ggahs aren't you? Like, my *****h. We're talking about black lives right now due to the current context. SMDH.



You speak logically here. I won't argue with you, but I will say they're not traditional ninjas. they fight for good vs for whoever's paying the highest price. That should be an issue though, right along with her thotish attire.

Lmao calm the hell down. sure her outfit is inappropriate and irked me too but no need to take things over the top. at the end of the day, its a simple drawing. That translation is faulty, she did not say "my type", a thread has been made on the correct translation, go and read it.

 

[To Whatever]

Lmao calm the hell down. sure her outfit is inappropriate and irked me too but no need to take things over the top. at the end of the day, its a simple drawing. That translation is faulty, she did not say "my type", a thread has been made on the correct translation, go and read it.

Nah, this is a serious topic. We cant have child soldiers dressing like that.

#Notmyshinobi
#DressGate
#Sarada

 

[lndra]

Lmao calm the hell down. sure her outfit is inappropriate and irked me too but no need to take things over the top. at the end of the day, its a simple drawing. That translation is faulty, she did not say "my type", a thread has been made on the correct translation, go and read it.

I low key feel like people would be okay with Sarada being a shit character if she had her old design. I feel like based on the overall complaints, that most people are sidetracking the fact that the author did an okay job. Only caring about what she is wearing :lol

 

[Ansatsuken]

Mikasa Hagoromo and Anime/manga Forum member culture of combining different characters name to make a username

 

[Ansatsuken]

Jeez.... you crashed my damn IPad, I had to go to my iPhone to read this sh!t.

Iphone more powerful than Ipad?

 

[~Ethereal~]

Let's be thankful she is not nude.