How different would team 7 be if Hinata was team instead of Sakura in part 1?

[Made in Heaven]

this is hinata for crying out loud, someone who is right up there with the worst in terms of irrelevancy.

Being irrelevant and having the potential to be a good character aren't the same thing, fam.

I mean, I don't need to say it, but the Uzumaki and Senju were practically irrelevant as clans outside of shoehorning the Ashura-Indra conflict into Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry, when they had the potential to be more relevant.

Neji was largely irrelevant and got little to no character development outside of his half-hearted death when he too had potential for further character growth, say during the war a Neji VS Edo Hizashi or bringing up the Cloud-Hyuga conflict during the Kage Summit or dealing with Ao stealing the Hyuga's dojutsu.

The Hyuga Clan is irrelevant in part 2 even though they had the potential to be relevant with their connection to the Ootsutsuki family and in turn the Uchiha.

Sakura had potential to be relevant to the whole Slug-Snake-Toad thing if she got a Slug Sage Mode, but she remained irrelevant.

Same thing with Hinata, she IS irrelevant, no one denies this. But she had potential in her initial p1 character in terms of her story, personality, relationships, and abilities for her to have gotten very good development in part 2, just never happened.

 

[LeSauce]

How does Hinata's little panel time and people liking her correlate at all? You're saying people like her so damn much to the point that she's more popular than Sakura because she doesn't show up much? Guess Ayame must be more beloved than either then :lol

You also said she had potential to be a great character. Again, mind telling me how that would work without breaking apart her character and rebuilding it to be something completely different?


Wrong, plenty of people hate Hinata because she lack's any visible character development. Her character was about gaining acknowledgment from her clan, becoming a stronger person and ninja, regaining her place as heiress, growing closer to Naruto, and mending her bonds with her family, potentially leading to the caste system in the Hyuga Clan being done a way with.

Instead, none of this happens, or if it does happen, it's given very little attention on-panel and is mostly dealt with off screen and the readers are just forced to accept it. Like, we're just supposed to believe Hiashi and her have become closer despite him saying he wouldn't care if she died, we're supposed to believe the databooks when they say Hinata has become a stronger ninja despite a lack of legitimate feats. We're supposed to just believe Hinata suddenly loves Naruto when there was no build up to it. These are all things Hinata could have developed in as a character.



Let's assume Kishimoto wrote Sakura and Hinata properly, Hinata would still be the better character since Sakura's character never had any sort of direction to move towards, no ties and similarities to Naruto and Sasuke, no interesting move pool, or even her own story arc.

Geez, your bias knows no bounds. Quit worshipping a ****ing made-up character.

I'm not here to defend Sakura, so I won't make up my own story where she could be better. If you even read carefully you would see that I said any character could be a well-made one regardless of the characteristics. It's all up to the author, and the author is shit at writing female characters in Naruto.

Read my Sheen post in the previous comment.

Lmao, geez I didn't realize that similarities had any effect on what made a character great.

You seriously need to get over this. The character you admire isn't even a half-decent one. Both Hinata and Sakura are complete dog-shit and Hinata replacing Sakura would have zero effect on how well their story went. If anything, their roles would simply be reversed, with Hinata now being the one people hated.

 

[lndra]

Anyway I'm not interested in in arguing long paragraphs.

KOP & LeSauce, I was just stating that people overall enjoyed Part 1 Hinata's character more in comparison to Sakura. I don't see that changing if Hinata was apart of Team Kakashi, and Sakura was introduced along with Ino and the rest during the Chunin Exams. In fact, it's possible Sakura might be liked more because her irrelevancy would mask her faults.

Look at this objectively - Hinata being apart of the Hyuuga Clan, which in Part 1 was extremely relevant, would of been able to shine along with Naruto and Sasuke. Hagoromo - Senju(Uzumaki)/Uchiha & Hamura - Hyuuga Clan.

Instead of the Last, I can definitely see how Hinata would be forced into the main story without it feeling forced in long run becside of her connection to the ending twists.

I mean look at the continuation now. We have the Rinnegan being the main weapon for our antagonists, being weild by Byakugan-aliens.

Even the MC is being shoehorned into the Hyuuga mix. Sakura's entire character feels like it would of been perfect in the background. Though I probably would of kept the Slug connection with Tsunade.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I'm not here to defend Sakura, so I won't make up my own story where she could be better. If you even read carefully you would see that I said any character could be a well-made one regardless of the characteristics. It's all up to the author, and the author is shit at writing female characters in Naruto.

But you said she had potential to be a good character, so you must have SOME idea have what that potential could have been? Unless you're just saying that without any basis.

Lmao, geez I didn't realize that similarities had any effect on what made a character great.

Considering people bond over their similarities, yeah, it would make Hinata better since Sakura has nothing in common with the two team mates she's supposed to understand so well. And it's not necessarily that alone, I pointed out her similarities to argue that her character could have been developed in a similar direction to the likes of Neji, Naruto, Choji, and Lee due to being a similar character to them and having a similar character arc and backstory.

You seriously need to get over this. The character you admire isn't even a half-decent one.

I know, never argued otherwise. I'm arguing about what she could have been if her Part 1 character was carried over to part 2 instead of simply dropping everything about her character outside of admiring Naruto.

Take Hinata and assume Kishimoto writes her competently, she'd still be a better character if we took Sakura and had Kishimoto write her competently. Assuming both still retain their characters and aren't completely rewritten.

Hinata replacing Sakura would have zero effect on how well their story went.

Really? How's that?

If anything, their roles would simply be reversed, with Hinata now being the one people hated.

Why would people hate Hinata? People hated Sakura because she had no place on Team 7, didn't understand Naruto or Sasuke at all, didn't care for training despite being so weak, liked a guy simply for his looks, manipulated people's emotions for her own gain, insulted people, abandoned her friends constantly, and was pretty abusive and shallow.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Lady Byakugan;21275325]Can't give links, just type Kobayashi kishimoto interview, click first link.

And who'd be a better replacement than Hinata?



Of course they were, the whole point of Neji and Hinata's dynamic was that the branch member was superior to the main member.



Why are you acting like power is all there is to a character's development?



That was the point of her character, just like Lee and Naruto, but unlike them, her character went no where beyond Part 1 for reasons you're well aware of. :lol How do you NOT see the hypocrisy in your posts, pal?

In k11? lee or neji perhaps. i don't really know tbh

Lmao because with hinata and neji plot relevancy/development is lacking thus the only thing i can look at is their combat ability and one is far superior to the other. thats why i brought up power.

Bold. and what are those reasons? that she's a female which are badly developed? its still the same author even she was mc hence why i said nothing will change, so basically you are agreeing with me. it's not like he could not have developed sakura better, nothing was stopping him.
lets see

-he established her excellent chakra control early on which could have been further explored in her being able to learn diverse jutsus due to her cc. what we got was a Tsunade clone
-it was stated she could be a Genjutsu type. yet nothing came off from that aspect, if was not even touched on again in the manga until the last were shika stated stated sakura being resistant to genjutsu. but thats a movie he did not write.
-she wanted to be strong so she wont continue to stand behind the other two which was brought up but obviously took a backseat to her wanting to get with sasuke

so you see, hinata is not any special in regards to having potential development points, you can do the same with a lot of characters. so you are not really saying much when you start mentioning all her other characteristics and such

now if the reason is because shes a side character then that does not fly because you yourself admitted those others had development and two out of the 3 examples you mentioned are side characters like hinata. face fact, kishi wont give a fuq with her either way

Not deluding myself, fam, I know all Kishimoto cared for with Hinata was her love with Naruto, think I even recall him saying he likes her chest (wtf). However, let's assume we have a competent author here. All the other facets of her character would have gotten development.

Her desire to becoming stronger, which would mean more fight scenes and feats for her.
Her relationship with Neji, seeing how they would grow close.
Her relationship with Hiashi, considering the guy went from not caring if she dies to .... something.
Her relationship with Hanabi, which is mostly non-existent.
Her role as heiress, which is dropped off the face of the manga.
Her role as leader to get rid of the Caged Bird Seal.

Addressed. at the end of the day, you look at the characters as what they are and hinata is rubbish overall. telling me how she would have this super impact on team 7 is wishful thinking at best.

 

[LeSauce]

Anyway I'm not interested in in arguing long paragraphs.

KOP & LeSauce, I was just stating that people overall enjoyed Part 1 Hinata's character more in comparison to Sakura. I don't see that changing if Hinata was apart of Team Kakashi, and Sakura was introduced along with Ino and the rest during the Chunin Exams. In fact, it's possible Sakura might be liked more because her irrelevancy would mask her faults.

Look at this objectively - Hinata being apart of the Hyuuga Clan, which in Part 1 was extremely relevant, would of been able to shine along with Naruto and Sasuke. Hagoromo - Senju(Uzumaki)/Uchiha & Hamura - Hyuuga Clan.

Instead of the Last, I can definitely see how Hinata would be forced into the main story without it feeling forced in long run becside of her connection to the ending twists.

I mean look at the continuation now. We have the Rinnegan being the main weapon for our antagonists, being weild by Byakugan-aliens.

Even the MC is being shoehorned into the Hyuuga mix. Sakura's entire character feels like it would of been perfect in the background. Though I probably would of kept the Slug connection with Tsunade.

I don't think having her be relevent to the plot would change anything. She's a bad character, and having her be relevant would only make the audience have to endure her more. It would be like making Sakura's clan more relevant now.

But you said she had potential to be a good character, so you must have SOME idea have what that potential could have been? Unless you're just saying that without any basis.



Considering people bond over their similarities, yeah, it would make Hinata better since Sakura has nothing in common with the two team mates she's supposed to understand so well. And it's not necessarily that alone, I pointed out her similarities to argue that her character could have been developed in a similar direction to the likes of Neji, Naruto, Choji, and Lee due to being a similar character to them and having a similar character arc and backstory.



I know, never argued otherwise. I'm arguing about what she could have been if her Part 1 character was carried over to part 2 instead of simply dropping everything about her character outside of admiring Naruto.

Take Hinata and assume Kishimoto writes her competently, she'd still be a better character if we took Sakura and had Kishimoto write her competently. Assuming both still retain their characters and aren't completely rewritten.



Really? How's that?



Why would people hate Hinata? People hated Sakura because she had no place on Team 7, didn't understand Naruto or Sasuke at all, didn't care for training despite being so weak, liked a guy simply for his looks, manipulated people's emotions for her own gain, insulted people, abandoned her friends constantly, and was pretty abusive and shallow.

@ Bold you contradict yourself.
I said any character has the potential to be well written, and that includes Sakura.

Thrid paragraph is what I'm getting at. You assume that Hinata is going to be written the way you picture her to be written, and completely neglect that fact that the way Kishi wrote Sakura is the reason everyone hates her, which is why I said that if Hinata were the Heroine she would simply take the place of Sakura and be the one hated instead. I.e because Kishi can't write a competent female character.

 

[Made in Heaven]

In k11? lee or neji perhaps. i don't really know tbh

Lmao because with hinata and neji plot relevancy/development is lacking thus the only thing i can look at is their combat ability and one is far superior to the other. thats why i brought up power.

Bold. and what are those reasons? that she's a female which are badly developed? its still the same author even she was mc hence why i said nothing will change, so basically you are agreeing with me. it's not like he could not have developed sakura better, nothing was stopping him.
lets see

-he established her excellent chakra control early on which could have been further explored in her being able to learn diverse jutsus due to her cc. what we got was a Tsunade clone
-it was stated she could be a Genjutsu type. yet nothing came off from that aspect, if was not even touched on again in the manga until the last were shika stated stated sakura being resistant to genjutsu. but thats a movie he did not write.
-she wanted to be strong so she wont continue to stand behind the other two which was brought up but obviously took a backseat to her wanting to get with sasuke

so you see, hinata is not any special in regards to having potential development points, you can do the same with a lot of characters. so you are not really saying much when you start mentioning all her other characteristics and such

now if the reason is because shes a side character then that does not fly because you yourself admitted those others had development and two out of the 3 examples you mentioned are side characters like hinata. face fact, kishi wont give a fuq with her either way

Addressed. at the end of the day, you look at the characters as what they are and hinata is rubbish overall. telling me how she would have this super impact on team 7 is wishful thinking at best.

Thrid paragraph is what I'm getting at. You assume that Hinata is going to be written the way you picture her to be written, and completely neglect that fact that the way Kishi wrote Sakura is the reason everyone hates her, which is why I said that if Hinata were the Heroine she would simply take the place of Sakura and be the one hated instead. I.e because Kishi can't write a competent female character.

XD

I know its wishful thinking. I know Kishimoto probably wouldn't have handled Hinata any better, I mean heck, this is the same guy who ended up making the MC's rival more relevant than him! Same guy who contradicted the stories themes over and over again! Same guy who didn't even make Naruto fulfill the prophecy nonsense! Same guy who admitted making things up on the fly! Same guy who "redeemed" the main villain in such a piss-poor way!

I'm not arguing what Kishimoto would have done with her, what I'm arguing is that, assuming the story arcs remained largely the same, the skeleton of her character that was set up in P1 would have made a better heroine than Sakura's character skeleton even if both of them were handled properly.

 

[King Of Pop]

Dude, you realize that Kishimoto stated that himself, right?

It's not even opinions anymore, it's the actual facts.

Tbh i don't really care as sakura is garbage, that we all know. i just dont think hinata is or would be any better but apparently people do so agree to disagree i guess

 

[lndra]

Tbh i don't really care as sakura is garbage, that we all know. i just dont think hinata is or would be any better but apparently people do so agree to disagree i guess

I'll respond to LeSauce since you both said the same thing. I don't think Hinata would of ended up being not shit, I addressed earlier that their initial problems was due to them being pairing characters from the start.

All I said was that she would connect with Naruto and Sasuke more on the Rikudou side, where Sakura is irrelevant.

That's all. Basically she could be BS'd on their level. Incoming Tenseign or whatever in example. Lol

 

[shelke]

I'll respond to LeSauce since you both said the same thing. I don't think Hinata would of ended up being not shit, I addressed earlier that their initial problems was due to them being pairing characters from the start.

All I said was that she would connect with Naruto and Sasuke more on the Rikudou side, where Sakura is irrelevant.

That's all. Basically she could be BS'd on their level. Incoming Tenseign or whatever in example. Lol

That is wishful thinking and you know it. Sakura pinned for Sasuke's ****. That annoyed you? I am sure it did. Replace her with Hinata and you have got a long-winded pining for Naruto's ****. Unless one **** is better than the other **** and one ****-pining is more culturally savvy than the other ****-pining, I don't see any logic in replacing one ****-piner with another ****-piner. And I have written **** so many times now ...

 

[lndra]

That is wishful thinking and you know it. Sakura pinned for Sasuke's ****. That annoyed you? I am sure it did. Replace her with Hinata and you have got a long-winded pining for Naruto's ****. Unless one **** is better than the other **** and one ****-pining is more culturally savvy than the other ****-pining, I don't see any logic in replacing one ****-piner with another ****-piner. And I have written **** so many times now ...

chill in in class. Laughing too hard

Yeah, but we know Kishimoto's writing isn't consistent. She'll be swaying over the D, but I don't think he would skip the opportunity to hand out more power ups. War Arc was full of those ****ers

 

[shelke]

chill in in class. Laughing too hard

Yeah, but we know Kishimoto's writing isn't consistent. She'll be swaying over the D, but I don't think he would skip the opportunity to hand out more power ups. War Arc was full of those ****ers

He handed nothing new to any female. Just sayin.

 

[lndra]

He handed nothing new to any female. Just sayin.

Sakura got the Bakugou with no hint or training panels. Imagine what BS he could do when introducing the alien stink

 

[shelke]

Sakura got the Bakugou with no hint or training panels. Imagine what BS he could do when introducing the alien stink

You never anticipated it? I always knew she would turn into an uninteresting Tsunade clone.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You never anticipated it? I always knew she would turn into an uninteresting Tsunade clone.

It was out of the blue, but I did see it coming, mostly due to Chatte's long-winded theories. Just assumed it would happen after the war as opposed to activating it right after millions of people died.

 

[shelke]

It was out of the blue, but I did see it coming, mostly due to Chatte's long-winded theories. Just assumed it would happen after the war as opposed to activating it right after millions of people died.

I didn't even read her theories and knew. It was too ****ing obvious as she was useless in the war. ****ing useless bar her Zetsu feat.

 

[lndra]

You never anticipated it? I always knew she would turn into an uninteresting Tsunade clone.

I saw it coning, but it would of been appropriate if the author did more to show it coming.

 

[shelke]

I saw it coning, but it would of been appropriate if the author did more to shoe it coming.

It's just controlling a bit of chakra and putting it on the vast plane of her forehead. Nothing special, especially since her tiny reserves allow her good control anyway. Funny thing, I recall many unhinged Sakura wankers on tumblr claiming that her CC is better than Sasuke and it made me laugh hard.

For one, Sasuke's chakra reserves have been very high and very potent from the very start. Maintaining perfect chakra would require a crazy and insane amount of skill. Not only that, despite her tiny reserves, it still took her three ****ing years to gather chakra that should be smaller than Hashirama's reserves. Three years. And it took Sasuke a few seconds to pull, knead, apply advanced shape and elemental recomposition and create a mezo out of his PS on a chakra amount which would be a thousand times more in quantity and potency. Funny as hell. :kd:

Anyway, I digress, my point was that that was the only thing she could have learnt anyway. Frankly, she is talented and intelligent, but her talent is vastly exaggerated especially due to the argument I presented above and that she invented nothing on her own.

 

[Kushina89]

the same shit we had with suckura... just replace the "SASUKE KUN I WUV YOU" with "NARDO KUN I WUV YOU"

 

[super michael]

Tbh i don't really care as sakura is garbage, that we all know. i just dont think hinata is or would be any better but apparently people do so agree to disagree i guess

Hinata is better in that she trains without anyone telling her to train.

Sakura is told by Sasuke to train yet she doesn't. Sakura refuse to train while Sasuke, Naruto and even Hinata train.

Sakura only trained when Sasuke left the village and trained to heal, which is good but should of trained earlier and not do it because her crush left.

Sakura claims she useless yet didn't train, what kind of thinking is that? Train if she useless to become useful.

Hinata may have given up in the past but she trains without anyone forcing her.


Edit

Even Iruka states to be a ninja one needs to study, which goes to Naruto who doesn't study.
Iruka states one needs to train, which goes to Sakura who doesn't train or learn jutsu.