[Discussion] The Death of Anime?

[Im Still Robin]

Like I know we love anime and it's the best, but the decline of it feels real.

For me it's the big series like: Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball, One Piece, etc. that are just...not getting milked but the quality has gone down.

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Bolt anime looks the same as Shippuden (late) everything looks washed, bleach, and clay face simple animation. The only thing that keeps these things alive are the previous amazing look quality, story, and characters.

I would seriously wait a long while for part 1 animation quality and a story at the caliber of Naruto.

It's just bad these days and it's a real problem because it's not a videogame but seeing that really breaks the immersion.

And you can say "well that's just shounen" but that's not always true. Yes we are getting AOT, My Hero, and Tokyo Ghoul which will be amazing looking but that's a long while for 2-4 good things. Which isn't helping as much
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[Pumpkin Ninja]

Not a long while, those things are close.

If by story, then expecting masterpieces so often is only gonna leave you disappointed, although I would say there are a lot of great anime out there.

As for animation quality though, I haven't noticed a decline to be honest. There are good days and bad days for all of them and I definitely don't think it's a lack of skill in the industry, more so just cutting corneres.

 

[Sauce]

I believe you mean, "The death of long-running anime."

You also have to realize that it's SP we are talking about, they are pretty inconsistent when it comes to animation (they have gotten better) but they are under a huge time restraint, having to release an episode almost every week.

 

[Cfighter]

Like I know we love anime and it's the best, but the decline of it feels real.

For me it's the big series like: Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball, One Piece, etc. that are just...not getting milked but the quality has gone down.

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No but seriously, what you're describing as the "death of anime" is nothing more than company greed. It's literally that simple. Yes indeed, the milk game is strong with certain anime - especially the most popular ones... which is why they get milked. The more popular = longer episode count = more money. You really think SP was just DYING to tell the story of a ninja ostrich? Probably not, but I bet they WERE dying for more money - which continuing an anime 3 years after the manga ended will indeed do if it remains as popular. The same concept applies for animation quality: The longer the anime = the smaller the budget. The animation quality simply cannot be compared between an anime of 500+ episodes vs an anime of 20.

Anime in general? No, I wouldn't say it's in a decline as a business currently. Something to also keep in mind is the cultural difference - you likely cannot comprehend how successful the business is outside of Japan, which is where the business thrives. Yes there are viewers outside of Japan, but the number of revenue generated outside of Japan isn't the same [a statement lost to those who can't appreciate irony].

What I WOULD make the argument for is that anime as a business - and ESPECIALLY manga - is a dying one as they have no real way to adapt to the modern era of instant gratification. What I mean specifically, are the working conditions in both fields. Mangeka of longer running Manga have frequently been severely put under pressure because of the borderline criminal working conditions placed upon them just to meet the weekly deadline - manga like Bleach, Hunter Hunter, and more infamously Berserk are known for this issue. Anime is not quite as labor intensive as the work is shared across multiple animators, however overtime anime as well will fall to this same issue as deadlines get shorter and shorter to keep up with audience retention/demand. The other negative to most anime, is that many [myself included] prefer traditionally drawn anime compared to CG anime - or at least, anime that isn't obviously all CGI [looking at you, Berserk].

 

[Nobel]

Inappropriate title i must say. There is no such thing.

 

[Im Still Robin]

To each his own with his opinion :sdo:

 

[Wrappering_]

Find a new hobby and move on witch yo life.

 

[Genocide]

SP are just a crap studio tbh, madhouse released anime every week but it was always perfect

 

[Cfighter]

SP are just a crap studio tbh, madhouse released anime every week but it was always perfect

To be fair, madhouse is also the exception—not the rule. When SP is at the peak of their animation, the animation in indeed quite extraordinary; there are prime examples scattered throughout all of Part 1 and Shippuden such as Gaara vs Lee, Naruto vs Sasuke (any), Sasuke vs Danzou, Madara vs Shinobi Alliance, etc. The issue with SP lies in the material they're animating, their budget, and yes the way they notoriously abuse filler. However, even if they hadn't abused filler the way they did, from Part 1-Shippuden we would still have ended up with roughly 300 episodes—and that is strictly what the canon episode count would have most likely been. Add in the necessary filler (yes, there is a proper use of filler) and in all likelihood the anime from start to finish still would have been in the ballpark of 500 episodes. That's the thing about long running manga that are adapted to anime; no matter what happens the anime needs to also run every week for as long as the manga does, even if there is no end in sight. That means much lower budgets and a higher chance of filler breaks to allow the manga to catch up. If the manga has already been completed, or has a significant amount already release then the anime can allocate a higher portion of the budget into higher quality or at least consistent animation.

 

[Genocide]

To be fair, madhouse is also the exception—not the rule. When SP is at the peak of their animation, the animation in indeed quite extraordinary; there are prime examples scattered throughout all of Part 1 and Shippuden such as Gaara vs Lee, Naruto vs Sasuke (any), Sasuke vs Danzou, Madara vs Shinobi Alliance, etc. The issue with SP lies in the material they're animating, their budget, and yes the way they notoriously abuse filler. However, even if they hadn't abused filler the way they did, from Part 1-Shippuden we would still have ended up with roughly 300 episodes—and that is strictly what the canon episode count would have most likely been. Add in the necessary filler (yes, there is a proper use of filler) and in all likelihood the anime from start to finish still would have been in the ballpark of 500 episodes. That's the thing about long running manga that are adapted to anime; no matter what happens the anime needs to also run every week for as long as the manga does, even if there is no end in sight. That means much lower budgets and a higher chance of filler breaks to allow the manga to catch up. If the manga has already been completed, or has a significant amount already release then the anime can allocate a higher portion of the budget into higher quality or at least consistent animation.

i agree, its more about consistecny cause in many of the fights they were animated perfectly, and some of the major scenes aswell

 

[Kanino]

Find a new hobby and move on witch yo life.

Inappropriate title i must say. There is no such thing.

This and this

 

[CosmicPlayground]

Only thing that keeps anime alive is Story,animation and characters ?
That's what keeps any animation alive /:

And if read all at once I guess AOT provides some entertainment but the anime is seriously lacking depth and and significant character development for two of its three main characters and the overall plot is super thin.

One punch man is a clear example of modern shonen done right
Excellent voice casting,animation and its use of humor to overturn typical anime tropes (another thing AOT relies way too heavily on) A classic shonen which doesn't get nearly enough praise for doing everything is Yuyu Hakusho

I will always have a fond spot for the shonen I grew up with
Naruto,DBZ and bleach but anime as a whole is seriously lacking in the progress department
Western television is in its peak age and it would be great to see them take inspiration

The anime monster is pretty serious and has no anime tropes
A truly adult anime
I heard the anime film No one is amazing
Cowboy bebop is always good
Trigun as well

 

[CosmicPlayground]

To be fair, madhouse is also the exception—not the rule. When SP is at the peak of their animation, the animation in indeed quite extraordinary; there are prime examples scattered throughout all of Part 1 and Shippuden such as Gaara vs Lee, Naruto vs Sasuke (any), Sasuke vs Danzou, Madara vs Shinobi Alliance, etc. The issue with SP lies in the material they're animating, their budget, and yes the way they notoriously abuse filler. However, even if they hadn't abused filler the way they did, from Part 1-Shippuden we would still have ended up with roughly 300 episodes—and that is strictly what the canon episode count would have most likely been. Add in the necessary filler (yes, there is a proper use of filler) and in all likelihood the anime from start to finish still would have been in the ballpark of 500 episodes. That's the thing about long running manga that are adapted to anime; no matter what happens the anime needs to also run every week for as long as the manga does, even if there is no end in sight. That means much lower budgets and a higher chance of filler breaks to allow the manga to catch up. If the manga has already been completed, or has a significant amount already release then the anime can allocate a higher portion of the budget into higher quality or at least consistent animation.

Shippuden could of easily been reduced to 200 episodes

The first arc had no business being 30 episodes long.
Then after only two smaller arcs it began using filler in between arcs.
Let's forget all all the "cannon episodes with majority flash backs"
Best example is Sakura and naruto remembering crap about sasuke as they raced towards him at the Kage summit.

The average chaper to episode ratio of Any solid episode is three but most of the time they would only use two chapters per episode.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Probably the only way to enjoy anime by watching old ones. The 80s, 90s and from 2000 to 2008. Although I think each year there is one anime that looks good. I need to restart Durarara seasons.

 

[iNotorious]

Stay away from shounens. Anime are FAR from dead, kek.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Like I know we love anime and it's the best, but the decline of it feels real.

For me it's the big series like: Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball, One Piece, etc. that are just...not getting milked but the quality has gone down.

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Bolt anime looks the same as Shippuden (late) everything looks washed, bleach, and clay face simple animation. The only thing that keeps these things alive are the previous amazing look quality, story, and characters.

I would seriously wait a long while for part 1 animation quality and a story at the caliber of Naruto.

It's just bad these days and it's a real problem because it's not a videogame but seeing that really breaks the immersion.

And you can say "well that's just shounen" but that's not always true. Yes we are getting AOT, My Hero, and Tokyo Ghoul which will be amazing looking but that's a long while for 2-4 good things. Which isn't helping as much
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Most all works seem better in the beginning because the creator is trying harder typically.