Sage Mode Explained
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Amenotejikara
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ems sasuke has perfect susanoo and his eyes strong enough to track juubito. he rapes SM naruto no matter the circumstance.
SM naruto vs MS Sasuke would be a game of endurance as Rasenshuriken would require Susanoo to block.
SM Naruto vs EMS sasuke is not a fair contest as Sasuke's drawbacks (Eye blindness and fatigue) are removed.
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I believe Jiraiya suffered from Chakra control issues and Quantity issues. Him transferring into a Frog is some what of an indication that he couldn't control it completely
Debatable but I honestly think Sasuke and Madara have the natural chakra quantity for natural energy however it wouldn't be much in comparison to them not having hashi cells.
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Amenotejikara
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Nope. It's a game of speed. after sasuke got his susanoo bow and amaterasu, it's a matter of picking off naruto. rasenshuriken is too slow. sasuke would ignite it before it's even thrown. the bow will blitz through all of his limited clones and lastly he's still vulnerable to genjutsu unless he closes his eyes to use sensory but that wouldn't help much since susanoo or amat would still get him regardless. in CQC sasuke still dominates frog kata with susanoo. if it's war arc sagemode naruto with kurama aiding him instead of hindering him then he could rival ms sasuke but if it's pain arc to early war arc then no. MS > SM.
war arc EMS stomps SM with or without those conditions.
What you just explained was a game of endurance not speed. Which is what I said originally hehe
While MS > SM based on feats. In an enclosed area i am curious as to how the fight would go. Basically if Sasuke had a limited Susanoo
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Amenotejikara
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how? if sasuke can simply outspeed naruto with dojutsu then it's inevitable that naruto would lose. That's why kishi gave naruto kyuubi chakra mode to make him physically faster with no limitations to even the playing field then gave him his giant kurama mode so he'd compete with perfect susanoo.
The thing is SM based on feats is fast enough to dodge Susanoo arrows. While shunshin and footspeed is not as fast his agility and reflexes are in SM.
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So essentially Naruto may not be able to run faster than the arrow he is capable of dodging it at the last minute based on his agility feats vs third Raikage.
Also before we continue this I would like to say my original words were based on the field.
An open field with range is suicide for Naruto however an enclosed area he stands a better chance as Susanoo movements are restricted.
Would Naruto win eventually? Probably not
Would it be a game of endurance? Absolutely
but based on SM Feats and not opinion Naruto reflexes is capable of dodging susanoo arrows
Amenotejikara
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Nah. 3rd raikage is much slower than sasuke's bow. the latter managed to pin kabuto whose reflexes and sensory is superior to that naruto. but let's assume naruto could dodge it, he'd be put on the defensive the entire match with no time to counterattack. meanwhile sasuke could easily just bait naruto with the bow then follow up with amaterasu since he has precognition. This scenario is no different than juubi wood spikes v shinobi alliance. they could last as much as they want but it's inevitable they'll get skewed. but none of this would matter because unlike the bow, amaterasu doesn't move towards naruto, it spawns on him. so even if he senses it he wouldn't be able physically evade it since it took raikage to go version 2 shunshin just to evade the flames.
- enclosed area works at sasuke's advantage lol, especially against sage mode users. lol
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ninjarasengan
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Amenotejikara
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There is no opinion. he's reacted and dodged faster attacks even when distracted.
ninjarasengan
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Your reply would've been useful if you had provided examples of said attacks...
Amenotejikara
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You say that as if sage mode kabuto had more than one fight.
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gerizzyYMcrew
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that doesn't indicate better perceptionYou say that as if sage mode kabuto had more than one fight.
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ninjarasengan
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Read this...You say that as if sage mode kabuto had more than one fight.
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"Nah. 3rd raikage is much slower than sasuke's bow. the latter managed to pin kabuto whose reflexes and sensory is superior to that naruto."
Do you see the problem with your logic?:flakez:
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They are asking where is it stated that Snake SM is superior to Frog SM when it comes to reflexes and perception. If anything what Kabuto said was a general statement about natural energy meaning Naruto should be =.You say that as if sage mode kabuto had more than one fight.
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Anyways Amenotejikara, you are preaching to the choir as I've already admitted Sasuke with MS abilities would beat SM Naruto.
All im saying is it wont be as easy as you think.
especially if naruto went into clone despra mode like he did against pain
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lol this was the funniest part of the manga to me. When all else fails spam clones
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super michael
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Sasuke was able to master using CM and CM level 2 along with the ability to do partial transformation, something that only Juugo can do.
Sasuke has the body for CM, his body has experienced senjutsu since CM is to do with Senjutsu.