Naruto Is Extremely powerful

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kurama and hagoromo's senjutsu= 2 handouts...

eternal mangekyo and curse mark and hagoromo's rinnegan= 3 handouts...

both used tailed beast chakra 1 thru 8...who is incapable of doing math again?

Jesus christ. I take it back, you're not bad at math

Senjutsu, all of Kurama's abilities, all 8 Bijuu, Six Paths Senjutsu, all 2 powerups. What a joke.

I guess that means that in your eyes all of Sasuke's powerups by the end battle are 1 powerup, seeing as how they're all progressions of the Sharingan. Guess Naruto still has double the handouts. :sdo:
 
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Yup. Exactly.

Anyone with a brain should be able to realize that what is essentially a fancy pair of contacts is far less of a benefit than an immortal chakra monster with thousands of years of experience, the ability to break nearly any genjutsu instantly, near limitless chakra, the greatest healing factor in the manga, the ability to gather up miles of senjutsu, and the power to power up attacks, all independent of his Jinchuriki's will or even knowledge.

Compared to that, new eyesight might as well be nothing at all.

This is a prime example on why there hasn't been anyone who worked hard for their abilities aside from Hiruzen.
 
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Not if you're a transmigrant in which they were born with handouts shoved up their asses.

This is a prime example on why there hasn't been anyone who worked hard for their abilities aside from Hiruzen.

Or Gai/Lee. Most of the Kages didn't have any handouts either.
 

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You have proof that EMS gave him this ability, and not experience? Because I would love to see that. Seems to me that there was already a power difference in MS Sasuke who fought Bee, vs. MS Sasuke who fought Ay, and MS Sasuke who fought Danzo. No further powerups were needed there, just practice.

So practice gives you the ability to spam susano and amaterasu without any pain or drawbacks whatsoever. Lets not mention PS at all here. Right? I would like to know, does EMS has PS?
Since when does physical strength have to do with chakra quantity? Did you bother to read the whole thing or did skim through the whole thing? Hachibi was able to one hand bat the 5 tails but the four tails picked hachibi up and tossed him. His chakra quantity is still greater than theirs but in terms of strength there's a clear difference. If not for Hachibi btw, the 3 tails would've juggernaut rolled through Kurama.

Don't forget to that the jyubi itself was an aggregation of biju 1-7 with yin kurama being in death god and yang kurama being inside naruto. And sure enough the jyubi completely dominated both hachibi and kurama at the same time. So you need to learn to add up the chakra potency properly and differentiate it between physical strength. :|

Yeah way to twist an argument buddy. you stated that the little portion of chakra that bijus gave naruto is greater than yin kurama, When kurama is the strongest biju and even all full bijus together had a hard time against 5 minutes of kurama. You easily mentioned hachibi's help but forgot restrictions on kurama. Jubi wasn't complete without kurama's chakra either. And it still had to evolve multiple times just because it lacked kurama and hachibi. Plus jubi is not just mixing of chakra, it's entirely another being. That has it's own powers. If it was just a combination of bijus you'd have had a point. Naruto fought same bijus earlier in war that formed the initial jubi. But the difference in power was clearly evident. By you logic, K11 can toss aside naruto with kurama's chakra that naruto gave them right? Heck kurama's chakra shroud was visible on SA, thus naruto probably gave them more chakra than bijus gave him. And don't try to say that kurama's chakra is always visible or some shit coz kakashi was given said chakra but it wasn't visible on him.
 

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Hiruzen prime is best. Case closed
 

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half of those are not even handouts bro...I'm not referring to just power ups...and kurama still only counts as 1

You've already proved that you're unworthy of further responses.

So practice gives you the ability to spam susano and amaterasu without any pain or drawbacks whatsoever. Lets not mention PS at all here. Right? I would like to know, does EMS has PS?

Sasuke only ever showed pain for plot's sake. He had no pain and no drawbacks against Ay or Danzo, both battles in which Susano'o and Amaterasu were spammed multiple times.

PS has been shown to activate with great power. It's logical for it to activate with the transformation into EMS, but unproven, as mastery over Susano'o in general would also allow it to progress to higher forms, as Sasuke already demonstrated with his own Susano'o progressions. In a couple of hours, Sasuke went from a single ribcage to a full blown armored Susano'o.

It has also been shown that PS can also be used by an MS user so long as their chakra is strong enough.
 
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Yeah way to twist an argument buddy. you stated that the little portion of chakra that bijus gave naruto is greater than yin kurama, When kurama is the strongest biju and even all full bijus together had a hard time against 5 minutes of kurama.
Read what I told Hagoromoo sennin. Naruto received 570 and still maintained that same biju chakra all the way to 690, so if anything that's not a little portion of chakra. Little portion is what sasuke absorbed into susanoo and loses it all in one Indra's arrow.

Now yang kurama is the strongest individually but greater than all of them accumulated together he is most definitely not. So 5 minutes of yang kurama with Son goku chakra tossed the biju arounds with PHYSICAL strength and not CHAKRA. Let's not forget this scene shall we?
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Let's not act like Hachibi did nothing. He handled 5 tails and 3 tails while naruto fought 7 tails and 6 tails.

You easily mentioned hachibi's help but forgot restrictions on kurama.
Like what
Jubi wasn't complete without kurama's chakra either. And it still had to evolve multiple times just because it lacked kurama and hachibi. Plus jubi is not just mixing of chakra, it's entirely another being. That has it's own powers. If it was just a combination of bijus you'd have had a point.
As the manga said it's an aggregation of all nine biju and even then that beast with a full 1-7 biju was able to completely overpower kurama and Hachibi.
Naruto fought same bijus earlier in war that formed the initial jubi. But the difference in power was clearly evident. By you logic, K11 can toss aside naruto with kurama's chakra that naruto gave them right? Heck kurama's chakra shroud was visible on SA, thus naruto probably gave them more chakra than bijus gave him. And don't try to say that kurama's chakra is always visible or some shit coz kakashi was given said chakra but it wasn't visible on him.

Bold part doesn't make sense.
The rest is contradicting because you just said that he gave more biju chakra cloak to the alliance than the biju gave him chakra?
As if BM naruto fighting with SA existed without 7 biju chakra? The fact that the jyubi literally tried to end naruto because he saw 7 biju chakra inside naruto just flew passed your head?
Or the possibility that the same biju chakra Son goku gave naruto during his first BM transformation lasted all the way to the point naruto went RSM and hit Juubi Madara with Son goku's attack is somehow less than the chakra naruto gave the alliance that died off like 5 chapters later? Interesting.
 

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You've already proved that you're unworthy of further responses.



Sasuke only ever showed pain for plot's sake. He had no pain and no drawbacks against Ay or Danzo, both battles in which Susano'o and Amaterasu were spammed multiple times.

PS has been shown to activate with great power. It's logical for it to activate with the transformation into EMS, but unproven, as mastery over Susano'o in general would also allow it to progress to higher forms, as Sasuke already demonstrated with his own Susano'o progressions. In a couple of hours, Sasuke went from a single ribcage to a full blown armored Susano'o.

It has also been shown that PS can also be used by an MS user so long as their chakra is strong enough.

Okay lol.

Read what I told Hagoromoo sennin. Naruto received 570 and still maintained that same biju chakra all the way to 690, so if anything that's not a little portion of chakra. Little portion is what sasuke absorbed into susanoo and loses it all in one Indra's arrow.
lel so your premise is that naruto didn't just distribute kurama's chakra, he distributed all bijus chakra to SA. Now that is a funny joke when it's been clearly mentioned that SA got kurama's chakra. And lets forget that naruto didn't use other bijus chakra at all till that RS against madara and that one attack against kaguya. So you are trying to say indra arrow is weaker than those 7 rasen shurikens XD since according to you indra arrow had less chakra than attack on kaguya and yeah i know add that 1 RS from madara in to equation as well.
Now yang kurama is the strongest individually but greater than all of them accumulated together he is most definitely not. So 5 minutes of yang kurama with Son goku chakra tossed the biju arounds with PHYSICAL strength and not CHAKRA. Let's not forget this scene shall we?
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Let's not act like Hachibi did nothing. He handled 5 tails and 3 tails while naruto fought 7 tails and 6 tails.
And lets say hachibi wasn't there and kurama could stay out for as long as it wished. What would have happened? You think kurama is weaker than those bijus because hachibi helped him. Lol you couldn't be more wrong since kurama matched all bijus strongest attack i.e. biju dama with his biju dama alone. That is enough to prove my point really. Even if kurama is weaker than biju 1-7, it's not by much.
and @bold lol what? :what: So now you are going to tell me naruto was using every biju's chakra all the time he had it XD lol if that was the case naruto would have awakened RSM long ago.
Like what

As the manga said it's an aggregation of all nine biju and even then that beast with a full 1-7 biju was able to completely overpower kurama and Hachibi.


Bold part doesn't make sense.
The rest is contradicting because you just said that he gave more biju chakra cloak to the alliance than the biju gave him chakra?
As if BM naruto fighting with SA existed without 7 biju chakra? The fact that the jyubi literally tried to end naruto because he saw 7 biju chakra inside naruto just flew passed your head?
lol naruto gave alliance chakra before obito became jin and it lasted till after obito was defeated. That's 5 chapters? And alliance was using kurama's chakra to both defend and attack since naruto matched it to every person's individual chakra.
@bold, Yeah jubi saw every bijus chakra inside naruto. Naruto wasn't using any of it till he gained RSM lel. Are you for real debating that naruto was using every bijus chakra the moment he got it? XD
Or the possibility that the same biju chakra Son goku gave naruto during his first BM transformation lasted all the way to the point naruto went RSM and hit Juubi Madara with Son goku's attack is somehow less than the chakra naruto gave the alliance that died off like 5 chapters later? Interesting.

Lol again same misconception you have. By your logic naruto is using kurama's chakra all the time. :p well i am done with your delusions. Good day.
 
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They're rustled beyond repair....:lmao:
Even without Kurama, SM Naruto would be much stronger than MS Blindsuke. If not for Itachi's eyes Sasuke would be living his life in a dark cave lol. Only a sausage retard won't realize that that the power of vision is the greatest power for an uchiha without which they are worse than fodder and Itachi's eyes also granted him EMS and eventually Rinnegan.

If not for Itachi's eyes he would just have gotten his hands on Hashirama's cells some way
 

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As far as im concerned

1) Prime Hiruzen (0 powerups)
2) Itachi (1 power up)

3-99999) Everyone else got more than 1 powerup and the two above still solos
 

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Because you can't accept facts. No surprise.

:sdo:

what the hell are you talking about,the only handout he got was kurama from birth and the bijuu's chakra
whereas sasuke got itachi's eyes,chakra from the beast,hagoromo's chakra,rinnegan and cursed seal.
 
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Okay lol.

I accept your concession.

what the hell are you talking about,the only handout he got was kurama from birth and the bijuu's chakra
whereas sasuke got itachi's eyes,chakra from the beast,hagoromo's chakra,rinnegan and cursed seal.

Yup, 9 Bijuu = 2 powerups. Makes total sense to me.
 
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Naruto had the grace to beat Sasuke but spare his life.
 
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