[Discussion] Could God ever forgive Satan?

[jtolliver87]

We do, according to Biblical text. During those 1000 years, those resurrected will have a chance to subject themselves to Jesus Christ, the ruling force of heaven and Earth. Those that do will inherit Paradise on Earth, living on for eternity, and those that don't will be destroyed and cease to exist altogether. 144,000 will then ascend to Heaven to rule alongside Christ as priest-like figures.

Thats sounds like Jehovah's witnesses but the bible says the wicked wont LIVE AGAIN until the 1000 years have passed...too anyone else questioning this topic look up the book of enoch it tells the story of how this all came to be...the fall of Lucifer the 1/3 of the angels that fell with him how they tainted the human bloodline and what is going to come also alot of it is in revelations but enoch gives details.

 

[jtolliver87]

But youre a pretty well versed guy Riker

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thats sounds like Jehovah's witnesses but i said AFTER the 1000 years but the bible says they wont LIVE AGAIN until the 1000 years have passed...too anyone else questioning this topic look up the book of enoch it tells the story of how this all came to be...the fall of Lucifer the 1/3 of the angels that fell with him how they tainted the human bloodline and what is going to come also alot of it is in revelations but enoch gives details.

I mean, it's written explicitly in many modern translations of the Bible, so I don't see how it's a "Jehovah's Witness thing"(granted, these are who I learned about this from) unless denominations are picking and choosing which sections from the same source applies to them and choosing others that don't.

Where does it say that? Because I'm certain it says a thousand year of Christ for the chance of true and utter repentance and then Paradise forever and ever afterwards.

 

[JStar King]

Well, it's not that Satan denied his status as an angel. He challenged God's right to rule(can't remember the exact reason, I think it was simply hubris in most incarnations), so God and him set up a challenge. Satan would have dominion over Earth so God could use him as an example of how no one but him is capable of ruling.



Are you implying that free will cannot exist without the capacity for sin?

Satan was jealous of God's love for his new creation (Adam & Eve). God gave us free will to see who would follow him. It's all a test. Those who choose to welcome Jesus into their hearts are saved. Those who refuse to will not.

On the other hand, even saved Christians are still considered sinners. We all fall short of the glory of God. We're not perfect. But the best thing we can do is repent and find peace with Jesus and Father God in our hearts.

 

[jtolliver87]

I mean, it's written explicitly in many modern translations of the Bible, so I don't see how it's a "Jehovah's Witness thing"(granted, these are who I learned about this from) unless denominations are picking and choosing which sections from the same source applies to them and choosing others that don't.

Where does it say that? Because I'm certain it says a thousand year of Christ for the chance of true and utter repentance and then Paradise forever and ever afterwards.

Thats exactly what different denoms do pick and choose. which is why i dont identify as any i just consider myself spiritual thats Revelations that you get 144,000 from and thats referring to tribes of Israel (Black people) but it also referred to the multitudes which are to numerous to count will stand before the throne...long story short youre correct about the 144,00 being priest like figures but the rest are there also

 

[Punk Hazard]

Satan was jealous of God's love for his new creation (Adam & Eve). God gave us free will to see who would follow him. It's all a test. Those who choose to welcome Jesus into their hearts are saved. Those who refuse to will not.

On the other hand, even saved Christians are still considered sinners. We all fall short of the glory of God. We're not perfect. But the best thing we can do is repent and find peace with Jesus and Father God in our hearts.

Nah. Should have just not created sin in the first place and gave us the knowledge of suffering instead of jerking us around in some stupid game for his own ego.

And don't tell me "Oh, it's just life, the Afterlife is sooooo much grander and that's what really matters and an earthly life is so small in comparison, the suffering you go through won't matter in the end."

If that was the case, if the suffering we go through here is nothing because of the grand scope of the Afterlife, then our sins here should be insignificant as well. God doesn't get to go "The suffering I put you through in your earthly life doesn't matter because Paradise and Heaven is infinitely beyond that in worth, but it's still also worth so much that not worshipping means eternal damnation and/or destruction."

If an earthly life matters that much in the grand scale that it determines where we go, then it matters period. There is no sound logic in saying that earthly life is so insignificant that the suffering we experience doesn't matter, but is also so significant that is what God bases 100% of his judgement on.

 

[JStar King]

Even though it's totally fictional, but this moment of Supernatural is the perfect example of what I'm trying to say.

[VIDEO=youtube;pKf-SimRPRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKf-SimRPRk[/VIDEO]

 

[chopstickchakra]

The Bible implies. No; it says, as long as you come as His child and with a heart that longs to repent, your sins will be forgiven, regardless of the evils you have committed in this world.

Satan is, by far, the most evil of all according to what the Bible says. With evil being his very soul.

Supposing he was capable of change and, somehow he came to a realization of his wrongdoings and beseeched his forgiveness:

> Would God, who speaks of love and passion and mercifulness, put aside his being responsible for each and every evil that has ever clouded the world and so openly accept him into His kingdom with a heart of forgiveness; endlessly sticking by his words;

> Or would He, in the confliction of the encounter of the change, decide no, his sins can never be accounted for and only he can never be forgiven?

What, personally, do you suppose God's reaction would be like in that eerie instance?

Your answer is in the post.

as long as you come as His child and with a heart that longs to repent, your sins will be forgiven, regardless of the evils you have committed in this world. Supposing he was capable of change and, somehow he came to a realization of his wrongdoings and beseeched his forgiveness:

If it was a true repentance then yes.

 

[jtolliver87]

God created Lucifer for a purpose....he doesnt like his purpose so he rebelled point blank period...but by God being omnipotent all of this was planned so he has room to forgive him

 

[Punk Hazard]

God created Lucifer for a purpose....he doesnt like his purpose so he rebelled point blank period...but by God being omnipotent all of this was planned so he has room to forgive him

The purpose of it all is ego. Everything God created, he did so on purpose to leave us vulnerable. To need him, so he can get the worship he craves.

There's a reason God is only going to save believers. There's a reason that good people who don't believe, as good or even better than the devout, won't be saved. There's a reason God allows evil and still created it all DESPITE knowing what it would mean for us. If we don't suffer, if it's all candy and wine, what would we need God for?

What's God with no us?

 

[jtolliver87]

King James Bible
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:9

 

[Nobel]

The purpose of it all is ego. Everything God created, he did so on purpose to leave us vulnerable. To need him, so he can get the worship he craves.

There's a reason God is only going to save believers. There's a reason that good people who don't believe, as good or even better than the devout, won't be saved. There's a reason God allows evil and still created it all DESPITE knowing what it would mean for us. If we don't suffer, if it's all candy and wine, what would we need God for?

What's God with no us?

What does God really need you for after the end/death, i'm certain it's not just rewarding his children like santa claus.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What does God really need you for after the end/death, i'm certain it's not just rewarding his children like santa claus.

Take away all life and what does God have?

 

[jtolliver87]

What does God really need you for after the end/death, i'm certain it's not just rewarding his children like santa claus.

We were created in his image thats why he needs(actually its just he wants) us there

 

[jtolliver87]

Take away all life and what does God have?

Still everything.....our existence is at his whim the universe is fine without us

 

[Nobel]

Take away all life and what does God have?

His creativity is the cause of you. You can't peel of history. But like i said what's so really important about the chosen ones that he actually needs them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Still everything.....our existence is at his whim the universe is fine without us

His creativity is the cause of you. You can't peel of history. But like i said what's so really important about the chosen ones that he actually needs them.

DOES he? Because what's so good about a vastly empty universe? If God has no one to witness his might, what good is it? If God doesn't need us, why does he crave our worship so badly?

 

[Nobel]

DOES he? Because what's so good about a vastly empty universe? If God has no one to witness his might, what good is it? If God doesn't need us, why does he crave our worship so badly?

Worship is one way to acknowledge that something exists, doesnt this strike a resemblance to something?

 

[Tarkatower]

no he'll strangle satan.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

DOES he? Because what's so good about a vastly empty universe? If God has no one to witness his might, what good is it? If God doesn't need us, why does he crave our worship so badly?

Worship could have just been the main form of the test he chose. Submitting your free will is very humble, imo.

Being worshiped seems arrogant because dictators, tyrants, narcissists, etc, crave worship, but perhaps, wanting to be worshiped is so wrong simply because it is what God set for us to do and only the evil would crave to replicate it? It doesn't speak on God's part, imo.

Also, from my understanding, if God can grant eternal happiness to humans, you'd think he can do the same to himself.