Madara would be a good Hokage.Period.

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

He would be a good Hokage. Not just because he would leave behind past hatred. But because he is a natural leader, he had the same dream as Hashirama (of course, before Tobirama triggered his despair).

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He really wanted peace. I dare to say even more than Hashirama. He saw every single member of his family die. But even so, he was ready to see the villagers as his siblings.

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Just as everybody thinks Itachi would be a good Hokage, Madara would be too. He was collected, dreamed of peace since a child, and more importantly, he wasn't ready to kill every single member of his clan or village BEFORE he succumbed to hatred. Itachi would succumb to it too, if Sasuke was killed. (And if there was somebody constantly bad mouthing him too!!!)


And actually, as stated in his databook he was very condescendent. He was different from Tobirama who would kill anyone who didn't agree with him or was considered a threat. When all his people turned against him, not bothering to listen his true warnings, he just let them do what they found better, he wasn't that of a dictator BEFORE Tobirama made him succumb to despair, as no one would trust his good intentions.



He would be a good Hokage. Period.

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[Reboryushon]

Before or after his own clan turned their back on him?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I agree if Tobirama wasn't there to constantly remind him of Izuna.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Before or after his own clan turned their back on him?

Of course before, because there was still chance that all prejudice against him still didn't make things worse. I wonder if Madara stayed on the village and showed how much he cared instead of giving in into pain, he would unmask all the prejudice against him.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I agree if Tobirama wasn't there to constantly remind him of Izuna.

No wonder why Madara regretted not asking for Hashirama kill Tobirama.

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That guy didn't derserve the peaceful death he got.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

No wonder why Madara regretted not asking for Hashirama kill Tobirama.

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That guy didn't derserve the peaceful death he got.

Well Tobirama wasn't exactly a bad person but he was suspicious of the uchihas especially Madara which further detiriorated the situation.

 

[Guntah]

I said this on the other thread, I'll say it here.

Madara was a warmonger.

He turned his back on his friendship with Hashirama as soon as their fathers found out, which fair enough, but to go the extra mile to spend his next few years trying to kill Hashirama in revenge? And when he lost his brother. He, as a clan head, went against the desires of his own Uchiha clansmen who were surrendering to the Senju and attacked Hashirama himself. He forced conflict in between the two clans when neither party wanted it over personal feelings on the situation rather than the wellbeing of the Uchiha.

We know very little of adult Madara before the village, but despite his ideals, he was no Hokage material. Had he become the Shodaime, he would've remained a warmonger, a man guided by his emotions, and if it ever got to that, he wouldn't have hesitated to go to war again as he's clearly shown to do in the past. With Madara as a Hokage, the series would start with more than three wars and less than five villages. Tobirama was completely justified in not allowing Hashirama to grant him the title.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Well Tobirama wasn't exactly a bad person but he was suspicious of the uchihas especially Madara which further detiriorated the situation.

In the end Tobirama proved to be a bigger threat than Madara in the sense of increasing the darkness within the village. The twisted minset that the village comes before anything led to kill countless people and creating a lot of antagonists.

 

[To Whatever]

Anyone who allowed an immortal will of a sealed goddess to trick him into reviving said goddess cannot be called a "good" hokage

 

[Melanin]

Well Tobirama wasn't exactly a bad person but he was suspicious of the uchihas especially Madara which further detiriorated the situation.

He wasn't a bad personal by definition but he ostracized an entire group of people who had intentions of being loyal to the village, he played a huge part in the Uchiha defect from the village.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

of course he would haters would deny cause their favorite was soloed or is inferior to Madara.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I said this on the other thread, I'll say it here.

Madara was a warmonger.

He turned his back on his friendship with Hashirama as soon as their fathers found out, which fair enough, but to go the extra mile to spend his next few years trying to kill Hashirama in revenge? And when he lost his brother. He, as a clan head, went against the desires of his own Uchiha clansmen who were surrendering to the Senju and attacked Hashirama himself. He forced conflict in between the two clans when neither party wanted it over personal feelings on the situation rather than the wellbeing of the Uchiha.

We know very little of Madara before the village, but despite his ideals, he was no Hokage material. Had he become the Shodaime, he would've remained a warmonger, a man guided by his emotions, and if it ever got to that, he wouldn't have hesitated to go to war again as he's clearly shown to do in the past. With Madara as a Hokage, the series would start with more than three wars and less than five villages. Tobirama was completely justified in not allowing Hashirama to grant him the title.

How's Madara guided by his emotions? When he decided to work together with the person who killed his younger brother for greater good?
The phrase alone "Madara is a warmonger" is proof that you ignore the different Madara we had before he read the Stone Tablet.
I do wonder who spread the rumor that Madara killed the younger brother whom he loved so much. Hashirama ? I don't think so.
And I don't doubt that more people suffered from Tobirama's injustified persecution.
HE is the one who judges emotionally.HE is the one who created persons such as Kabuto and Danzou.
I do wonder why you protect someone who is against minorities (be they powerful or not).
Hashirama himself said that if Madara stayed, people would see the good in him, AND he would take care of Tobirama (Because he was a troublesome Yes.)

And Tobirama lead a Shinobi War against a lot villages, your argument is invalid.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

In the end Tobirama proved to be a bigger threat than Madara in the sense of increasing the darkness within the village. The twisted minset that the village comes before anything led to kill countless people and creating a lot of antagonists.

I agree Tobirama's decision were wrong but he had his reasons to be wary of the uchihas and Madara's defection made it even more worse.

He wasn't a bad personal by definition but he ostracized an entire group of people who had intentions of being loyal to the village, he played a huge part in the Uchiha defect from the village.

The situation and the uchiha emotions turned him into what he became. In the end he still desired peace but the way he went about it didn't fit right with the ninja world.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I agree Tobirama's decision were wrong but he had his reasons to be wary of the uchihas and Madara's defection made it even more worse.

Madara's defection.....I could make a list just about how WRONG Madara was to leave. I'm going to admit here something: HE WAS A COWARD for not staying in the village and prove how wrong and unjustified was all the prejudice against him and the Uchiha. Had he stayed, I'm sure Tobirama would be unmasked and prejudice in the village would be a more clarified matter. It wouldn't be something for the Upper Shinobi to decide - who became Senju oriented- but something that could be worked on.

I don't know if this made sense....But that's what I truly think.

 

[Guntah]

How's Madara guided by his emotions? When he decided to work together with the person who killed his younger brother for greater good?
The phrase alone "Madara is a warmonger" is proof that you ignore the different Madara we had before he read the Stone Tablet.

Yes. Like I just said, he ignored all of his own clan's pleas for peace for the sake of avenging his brother. Does that really seem like something a Hokage would do for you?

I do wonder who spread the rumor that Madara killed the younger brother whom he loved so much. Hashirama ? I don't think so.
And I don't doubt that more people suffered from Tobirama's injustified persecution.

That is a big leap in logic to blame Tobirama there. There is not even a reason for him to discredit Madara when 1) he's done enough to discredit himself in the eyes of his clan by fighting the aforementioned losing battle and 2)...just WHY? Tobirama managed to convince his brother easily enough than Madara as a Hokage is not a good idea, and his initial exclamation of "Hokage?!" in the scene implies he knew nothing of Madara being a candidate before that point.

HE is the one who judges emotionally.HE is the one who created persons such as Kabuto and Danzou.
I do wonder why you protect someone who is against minorities (be they powerful or not).

Why would you assume he moulded Danzo's character? This seems to be more about Tobirama than Madara, but Danzo, Hiruzen and Kagami among others were all in his squad. Hiruzen and Danzo turned out completely different however, so you can't say he influenced Danzo into becoming what he turned out to be. More than likely, if anyone was influenced, it should have been Hiruzen, which was his Genin squad.

Hashirama himself said that if Madara stayed, people would see the good in him, AND he would take care of Tobirama (Because he was a troublesome Yes.)

The people are not the problem. The problem is Madara. Like already said, his emotional involvement is exactly what prevents him from being a suitable Hokage candidate.

And Tobirama lead a Shinobi War against a lot villages, your argument is invalid.

No its not. Because Tobirama died by the end of the First Ninja War, which most likely was started during Hashirama's time as we do see him as a Hokage trying to create peace among the villages in the Gokage summit. Things were shown to be tense during the summit, and this among other things probably resulted in the start of the war.

 

[Tyris]

He would be a good Hokage. Not just because he would leave behind past hatred. But because he is a natural leader, he had the same dream as Hashirama (of course, before Tobirama triggered his despair).

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He really wanted peace. I dare to say even more than Hashirama. He saw every single member of his family die. But even so, he was ready to see the villagers as his siblings.

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Just as everybody thinks Itachi would be a good Hokage, Madara would be too. He was collected, dreamed of peace since a child, and more importantly, he wasn't ready to kill every single member of his clan or village BEFORE he succumbed to hatred. Itachi would succumb to it too, if Sasuke was killed. (And if there was somebody constantly bad mouthing him too!!!)


And actually, as stated in his databook he was very condescendent. He was different from Tobirama who would kill anyone who didn't agree with him or was considered a threat. When all his people turned against him, not bothering to listen his true warnings, he just let them do what they found better, he wasn't that of a dictator BEFORE Tobirama made him succumb to despair, as no one would trust his good intentions.



He would be a good Hokage. Period.

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m'Lord Crow was the true hokage.

 

[minamoto]

Anyone who allowed an immortal will of a sealed goddess to trick him into reviving said goddess cannot be called a "good" hokage

anyone who kishimito admires and says has no weakness DIZERVE TO BE HOKAGE...MADARA >> YOUR FAV..

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Yes. Like I just said, he ignored all of his own clan's pleas for peace for the sake of avenging his brother. Does that really seem like something a Hokage would do for you?

You still didn't answer my question.How's Madara guided by his emotions when he decided to work with the persons who killed all his family? And by the way, I want a scan where Madara says for his clan to shut up because he loves fighting.

That is a big leap in logic to blame Tobirama there. There is not even a reason for him to discredit Madara when 1) he's done enough to discredit himself in the eyes of his clan by fighting the aforementioned losing battle and 2)...just WHY? Tobirama managed to convince his brother easily enough than Madara as a Hokage is not a good idea, and his initial exclamation of "Hokage?!" in the scene implies he knew nothing of Madara being a candidate before that point.

Stop apologizing Tobirama's actions. If it was just for him, Madara would be dead, but Hashirama had a bigger vsion than him, knowing that prejudice and revenge would only lead to darkness and then no Konohagakure. Actually I want to say something very clear: Tobirama didn't want to Konoha to be formed. And is true, because he made the village an extention of the Senju Clan

Why would you assume he moulded Danzo's character? This seems to be more about Tobirama than Madara, but Danzo, Hiruzen and Kagami among others were all in his squad. Hiruzen and Danzo turned out completely different however, so you can't say he influenced Danzo into becoming what he turned out to be. More than likely, if anyone was influenced, it should have been Hiruzen, which was his Genin squad.

I don't think that it was Hashirama who influenced Danzou into the twisted mindset of sacrificing people for the village. Madara influenced Obito. Danzou was influenced by Tobirama.

The people are not the problem. The problem is Madara. Like already said, his emotional involvement is exactly what prevents him from being a suitable Hokage candidate.

Take Madara out of the picture and Tobirama still is causing trouble. This mindset is Social Darwinism.

No its not. Because Tobirama died by the end of the First Ninja War, which most likely was started during Hashirama's time as we do see him as a Hokage trying to create peace among the villages in the Gokage summit. Things were shown to be tense during the summit, and this among other things probably resulted in the start of the war.

Yes it is. If you think that Madara's "riot" is unjustified, so is Tobirama's And he is just as a warmonger.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

m'Lord Crow was the true hokage.

A Hokage that kills his own family and then threatens his village. So much Hokage. :sdo2: That's the guy I would die in war for. :elmo:

 

[Chikombo]

He was also manipulated by Zetsu through the stone tablet.