Naruto and Sasuke VS Neji and Lee

[Hakke]

becoz kabuto enhanced his edo body

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thus he tried massive wood style for first time as an edo [

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okay , Kabuto enhanced his Edo by implanting Hadhirama's DNA , which doesn't really change my point

I mean couldn't he use Mokuton when he was revived by the Rinnegan

it wasn't said anywhere
@bold was not mentioned anywhere

it is a theory , as you can see here

Puppet-Cursing Sphere

Toneri moulds his chakra into the form of a green-coloured sphere. The sphere can be used for various purposes such as controlling targets by entering their body, rendering a target unconscious, absorbing chakra from a distance, and detonating if needed.

"Toneri moulds his chakra"

Toneri = Otsutsuki ,

his chakra = Otsutsuki chakra

Puppet-Cursing Sphere is a Jutsu , not a KKG , meaning that anyone with Otsutsuki chakra can learn it

there was even an Otsutsuki from the main branch that used a technique similar to it in the movie
[video=youtube;aZZeFrFLVZs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZZeFrFLVZs[/video]

watch from 42:55 to 43:35

yes but have you ever seen neji anything other than taijutsu

nah , you actually have a fair point , but he is a fast learner though,

I can't see why he wouldn't be able to learn it

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Nope KG is right.you are not going to argue might dai was as strong as gai

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did we see might Dai in action ? yes or no ? , no

is there any prove that he superior to Gai ? , no

is there any prove that he is inferior to Gai ? , no

so lets leave it like this

 

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Might Dai was genin and he can't be as strong as Gai when couldn't kill all the seven swordsman with 8th gate :lol

 

[Hakke]

Might Dai was genin and he can't be as strong as Gai when couldn't kill all the seven swordsman with 8th gate :lol

ranks don't matter and you know it

and @bold , wait what ?

 

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okay , Kabuto enhanced his Edo by implanting Hadhirama's DNA , which doesn't really change my point

I mean couldn't he use Mokuton when he was revived by the Rinnegan

Becoz he and orochimaru created perfected combination of hashirama and madara.just read the previous scan

it is a theory , as you can see here
Puppet-Cursing Sphere
"Toneri moulds his chakra"
Toneri = Otsutsuki ,
his chakra = Otsutsuki chakra
Puppet-Cursing Sphere is a Jutsu , not a KKG
there was even an Otsutsuki from the main branch that used a technique similar to it in the movie
[video=youtube;aZZeFrFLVZs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZZeFrFLVZs[/video]
watch from 42:55 to 43:35

Nope sasuke moulds his chakra to use katon or raiton;sakura/tsunade/sarada to use ces naruto his to use any jutsu but that doesn't make it clan specific
Just by getting someone's chakra u can't use their jutsu.perfect example being medical ninja healing others
No one said its KKG.If it was kkg and yes it means others can learn it but it doesn't remotely means just by gaining his chakra you can perform it.

nah , you actually have a fair point , but he is a fast learner though,

Gentle fist art of taijutsu yes but other jutsu's he hasn't shown anything other than that.Sakura is a fast learner but that doesn't mean she can master a said technique.

Better example being despite she is genjutsu she hasn't shown feat to cast any genjutsu

ranks don't matter and you know it

Yes they do.not everyone is naruto or sasuke

and @bold , wait what ?

Fubuki was still alive after that fight and was later killed by Kisame

 

[Hakke]

Becoz he and orochimaru created perfected combination of hashirama and madara.just read the previous scan

which doesn't really change my point , Madara was strong enough to handle Mokuton , even when he revived himself with the rinnegan , no side effects were shown

Nope sasuke moulds his chakra to use katon or raiton;sakura/tsunade/sarada to use ces naruto his to use any jutsu but that doesn't make it clan specific

but this Jutsu seems only limited to the Otsutsuki clan , since only Otsutsuki clans members like Toneri , and the guy from the main branch with the purple chakra used it

and maybe Neji would be able to use it if he got an Otsutsuki DNA

it is a theory

Just by getting someone's chakra u can't use their jutsu.perfect example being medical ninja healing others
No one said its KKG.If it was kkg and yes it means others can learn it but it doesn't remotely means just by gaining his chakra you can perform it.

True

Gentle fist art of taijutsu yes but other jutsu's he hasn't shown anything other than that.Sakura is a fast learner but that doesn't mean she can master a said technique.

Better example being despite she is genjutsu she hasn't shown feat to cast any genjutsu

if Sakura wanted to be a genjutsu specialist she could've learned Genjutsu from Kurenai or anyone , but nope , because she simply wanted to be a medical Ninja ,

if Neji wanted to learn any technique , in example if he wanted to be a puppeteer he could've been one . but nope , because he is from a strong clan that already has a strong technique.

also Sasuke can literally learn any Jutsu , since he has the Sharingan but nope , he doesn't need to , because he is literally a God

Yes they do.not everyone is naruto or sasuke

Gai was a jounin yet he was above kage level ,

Fubuki was still alive after that fight and was later killed by Kisame

that doesn't prove anything , Gai had only one target ,while Dai has many targets , some of the seven swordsmen could've just escaped while Dai was dealing with the others ,

there is no prove that the 7 swordsmen were the ones who killed Dai , because we didn't see the fight . so we can't be sure

 

[KidGamer65]

striking the vital points means damaging the nervous system not the internal organs , so you have a point , it does not attack the internal organs directly like the gentle fist , but it strikes the nervous system which means it can cause pain, serious damage, unconsciousness or even instant death.

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No, it doesn't strike the nervous system. Stop talking out of your ass already. Dead @ you and anyone else attributing things like serious damage and instant death to an attack like Air Palm when it hit Kisame right in the gut and the chest and literally did nothing.

true , but it does do internal damage , but not like the Gentle Fist . because one strikes the chakra pathway system while the other strikes the nerveous system

No, it doesn't.

ignorance , it is a GENTLE FIST TECHNIQUE

Irrelevant. We saw what it does in the Manga.

the attack is forceful to the point that it blown him of his feet , and the impact was drawn in the manga , just what do you mean that he wasn't damaged exactly ?

when Naruto and Sasuke punched Momo here

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the punches were strong enough to blow him meters away , and Momo didn't show any sign of pain afterwards [

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], does that mean that he wasn't damaged ? and if he was damaged, then why Kisame's case is different from his case ? :hmm:

That's exactly what it means you clown. :lol Someone taking a hit doesn't mean that they took damage. This is also an extremely shitty comparison to make, because whatever damage he takes from a punch won't be that visible with a single strike, but if Air Palm did what you claimed it did then you would see damage on Kisame. So either you admit that it doesn't bypass the skin or you argue that Air Palm is a weak ass attack that did zero damage despite it being able to bypass the skin of an opponent. :lol

just because someone does not show any sign of pain that doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't damaged , a punch or a strong plow causes damage , that is a fact

No, it's not a fact that punches cause damage. It's a fact that a STRONG ENOUGH HIT causes damage, and "strong enough" has different meanings based on how tough the person you are fighting is. If no damage is visible from a physical strike then it didn't do anything meaningful. Those are facts.

attacking the vital points does not only cause pain ya' know .

here , learn some of the uses of vital points in martial arts

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Vital Points Can Shut Down the System


and remember that not every vital point is fatal , some of them can cause serious damage and some of them can cause unconsciousness , and some of them can even cause an instant death ,

Can you stop? What the vital points are don't help your argument.

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And what does this prove? Lmao. Does this Manga scan say, hint or imply that you need to be as strong as Might Guy in order to open the 8th Gate? No. It says that Lee is too weak to open the 8th Gate. :lol

 

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which doesn't really change my point , Madara was strong enough to handle Mokuton , even when he revived himself with the rinnegan , no side effects were shown

Yes it does.Madara was a trasnsmigrant and had massive chakra reserve to perform katons multiple times larger than susanoo.
but still stated he will be trying new jutsu's [

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] meaning he couldn't access most of hashirama's jutsu while he was alive but was able to do so when so becoz of body modification by kabuto when revived in edo form

@bold why would he

but this Jutsu seems only limited to the Otsutsuki clan , since only Otsutsuki clans members like Toneri , and the guy from the main branch with the purple chakra used it
and maybe Neji would be able to use it if he got an Otsutsuki DNA.it is a theory

yes a theory you can't prove it
just by getting any someone's chakra you don't automatically are able to use his jutsu
example kakashi got chakra directly from kyuubi but he cannot use bijuudama or chakra mode

if Sakura wanted to be a genjutsu specialist she could've learned Genjutsu from Kurenai or anyone , but nope , because she simply wanted to be a medical Ninja ,

which means neither me nor you can tell her proficiency in using it

if Neji wanted to learn any technique , in example if he wanted to be a puppeteer he could've been one . but nope , because he is from a strong clan that already has a strong technique.

you can't say that :lol
example lee is an exceptional taijutsu genius but has no skills in genjutsu or taijutsu
Naruto has strong ninjutsu and taijutsu but his genjutsu skills are nonexistant same goes for jiraiya :lol

also Sasuke can literally learn any Jutsu , since he has the Sharingan but nope , he doesn't need to , because he is literally a God

nope thats not how sharingan works
sasuke needs to see handsigns of those jutsu thus he can't learn hiden jutsu or medical ninjutsu that does not require hansdsigns via sharingan also he can't use senjutsu based jutsu since he does not have sm

Gai was a jounin yet he was above kage level ,

kage is title not a rank.gai achieved the highest rank like all other shinobi's.
there can only be one kage so yeah the reason gai was jounin.

that doesn't prove anything , Gai had only one target ,while Dai has many targets , some of the seven swordsmen could've just escaped while Dai is dealing with the others ,
there is no prove that the 7 swordsmen are the ones who killed Dai , because we didn't see the fight . so we can't be sure

gai's target was JJ Madara with hashirama's healing enhanced by him be juubi jin.

each step of evening elephant is strong enough to kill [

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even after that gai had 5 steps of evening elephant then after that land a massive punch [

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he later on was even able to use night gai :lol

There is no chance of them escaping since even in seventh gate gaara called might gai's speed inhuman and his it shocked jj madara [

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].there was no way of escaping from might dai if he was anywhere close to might gai's lvl

 

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Lol not debatable. Sasuke one shots both with Rinnegan genjutsu. Naruto makes RSM Kurama avatars and proceed to stomp.

Either solos. Make the argument that Sasuke needs eye contact for his genjutsu to work(which he doesn't) he turns them into CT's.

 

[Hakke]

No, it doesn't strike the nervous system. Stop talking out of your ass already.

the attack strikes vital points , and vital points are located on the nervous system :lol

No, it doesn't.

you are just reaching :lol , you haven't answered my question yet ,

what the **** do you think they meant with "with the aspects of the Gentle Fist thrusts through the enemy's vital points with a tremendous force" ?

Irrelevant. We saw what it does in the Manga.

ya' know the third Databook covers the chapters 245 to 402. chapter , and the scene where Neji strikes Kisame was in chapter 256 , meaning that Kishimoto had a lot of time of time to think of an ability for the technique ,

and Kishi stated that Neji struck Kisame vital points , and based on logic he was damaged on the nervous system , but the damage was minor because not every vital spot is fatal

and what Kishi stated about this Technique >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ignorance

but if Air Palm did what you claimed it did then you would see damage on Kisame.

if the damage was internal , how can you see it ?

also , Kishi stated that Neji struck his vital points , and based on logic he was damaged , it is as simple as this

So either you admit that it doesn't bypass the skin or you argue that Air Palm is a weak ass attack that did zero damage despite it being able to bypass the skin of an opponent. :lol

it bypass the skin to strike the vital points not the internal organs , I didn't say that it strikes the internal organs

Can you stop? What the vital points are don't help your argument.

Lmao , you ignorant

And what does this prove? Lmao. Does this Manga scan say, hint or imply that you need to be as strong as Might Guy in order to open the 8th Gate? No. It says that Lee is too weak to open the 8th Gate. :lol

this is your post

When it comes to the opening requirements you only need to be strong enough. Where are you getting this nonsense from?

I didn't say that he needs to be as strong as Gai , I only said that he needs to be strong enough , anyway there is no point of keep debating , we will see Lee with 8 Gates in the Boruto manga eventually :lol

 

[Hakke]

Lol not debatable. Sasuke one shots both with Rinnegan genjutsu. Naruto makes RSM Kurama avatars and proceed to stomp.

Either solos. Make the argument that Sasuke needs eye contact for his genjutsu to work(which he doesn't) he turns them into CT's.

I wasn't debating about if Sasuke and Naruto are going to win or not ,because Naruto and Sasuke are obviously gonna take this

I was debating if Neji and Lee would be superior to Toneri and Gai or not , and it seems that they are not , but they aren't inferior either

 

[neosmith500]

And that is something that the Manga has already been shown to be false. It does not bypass the skin so my question is why are you still arguing about the wording of the databook when the Manga has already answered the question?

Because with the way it was presented i myself couldn't fully understand how it operates as the only thing we saw in the manga was the aftereffect so i looked to the DB for more insight.

"With the aspects of gentle fist" describes how it's thrust. Common sentence structure. The describing sentence is in the middle. You can either believe this or you can continue arguing something that was already disproven or you can believe something else entirely.

But Kishi already addresses the Palm thrust/strike in the first sentence , to which he then addresses the attack itself aready having been launched in the next sentence. At least the way i saw it was that the middle sentence is describing the attack itself , meanwhile the first sentence addresses the already targeted vitals along with the already launched Palm Thrust/Strike that propels the Air-palm.

You can't say you aren't contesting what the Manga shows and continue to bring up what you think the DB is saying as a reason why Air Palm bypasses the skin when the Manga has already shown that this is not the case. No point in trying to argue about the wording. None at all. That's just arguing to argue.

I just took it as the DB simply explaining that the "compressed vacuum shell" bypasses skin to thrust through the vitals. But yea no point in arguing just to argue if this is wat it is.

 

[Hakke]

Because with the way it was presented i myself couldn't fully understand how it operates as the only thing we saw in the manga was the aftereffect so i looked to the DB for more insight.

BTW the Databook was released after chapter 402 , and the scene where Neji struck Kisame was in chapter 256 , doesn't that mean something ?

like Kishi plot twisted the ability of the air fist palm or something

 

[InfiniteDeath]

All I'm saying is Lee better make good use of the 8 gates, and fast

 

[Hakke]

Yes it does.Madara was a trasnsmigrant and had massive chakra reserve to perform katons multiple times larger than susanoo.
but still stated he will be trying new jutsu's [

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] meaning he couldn't access most of hashirama's jutsu while he was alive

actually , read the scan again ,

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he said "some more Jutsu " , he didn't say "new Jutsu" , which means that your point is moot

but was able to do so when so becoz of body modification by kabuto when revived in edo form

evidence... ? , I mean , I don't recall that someone stated that "you need to implant Hashirama cells in edo form in order to use it as efficiently "

yes a theory you can't prove it
just by getting any someone's chakra you don't automatically are able to use his jutsu
example kakashi got chakra directly from kyuubi but he cannot use bijuudama or chakra mode

read my post again

and maybe Neji would be able to use it if he got an Otsutsuki DNA.it is a theory

which means neither me nor you can tell her proficiency in using it

but common sense tells us that she is not that proficient , Becoz she simply only trained to be a medical Ninja under Tsunade for two years , and she never developed any skills in using genjutsu

you can't say that :lol
example lee is an exceptional taijutsu genius but has no skills in genjutsu or taijutsu
Naruto has strong ninjutsu and taijutsu but his genjutsu skills are nonexistant same goes for jiraiya :lol

actually , the gentle fist is not just Taijutsu , they are using chakra to damage the internal organs , it is more like Nin-Taijutsu

and Neji is a prodigy and genius, he learned a forbidden technique by observation alone , despite that the technique was only limited to the main branch , and he was a side branch and he had no one to train him

besides he has a good states in Ninjutsu , I can't see why he wouldn't be able to learn it

kage is title not a rank.gai achieved the highest rank like all other shinobi's.
there can only be one kage so yeah the reason gai was jounin.

man , give me a break , ranks don't matter and you know it , I mean Hokage Kakashi is a total joke

gai's target was JJ Madara with hashirama's healing enhanced by him be juubi jin.

each step of evening elephant is strong enough to kill [

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even after that gai had 5 steps of evening elephant then after that land a massive punch [

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he later on was even able to use night gai :lol

There is no chance of them escaping since even in seventh gate gaara called might gai's speed inhuman and his it shocked jj madara [

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].there was no way of escaping from might dai if he was anywhere close to might gai's lvl

the seven swordsmen are a capable shinobis ya' know , anyone of them could've used mist to escape from or Dai or something , no ?

 

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actually , read the scan again ,

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he said "some more Jutsu " , he didn't say "new Jutsu" , which means that your point is moot

And that is why you need to read the manga rayther than randomly spamming.yes he meant new jutsu since few pages ago he has tried massive wood realease for the first time.he was not talking about susanoo since was already using it nor about rinnegan jutsu since he nvr used it in the fight

the new jutsu's madara used after that against kage's and naruto

wood dragon
wood clones
nativity of world of trees
flowering jutsu's

evidence... ? , I mean , I don't recall that someone stated that "you need to implant Hashirama cells in edo form in order to use it as efficiently "

read what kabuto says

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he was same guy who got access to multiple KKG's by body enhancement

read my post again

changes what you have nothing to back your statements up.
Getting Obito's eye[DNA] didn't allow kakashi to use Great fireball jutsu or getting Itachi's eyes didn't grant sasuke empheral or other genjutsu.Hell he didn't even get Tsukiyomi.
Getting Jutsu didn't magically grant Sasuke his jutsu's despite having curse mark earlier

but common sense tells us that she is not that proficient , Becoz she simply only trained to be a medical Ninja under Tsunade for two years , and she never developed any skills in using genjutsu

and this doesn't apply to neji why oh wait you are biased

actually , the gentle fist is not just Taijutsu , they are using chakra to damage the internal organs , it is more like Nin-Taijutsu

lol keep pushing it hard.all the hyuga jutsu's are classified taijutsu in databook.Eight gates uses chakra aka night guy is a chakra dragon and its still taijutsu.Chakra enhanced strenght is also taijutsu

and Neji is a prodigy and genius, he learned a forbidden technique by observation alone , despite that the technique was only limited to the main branch , and he was a side branch and he had no one to train him

no he learned 2 main branch jutsu and hasn't shown much in part 2 on other hand sakura mastered S rank forbidden jutsu while naruto above S rank rasenshuriken.
naruto also learned forbidden jutsu multi kage bunshin when he was in academy

besides he has a good states in Ninjutsu , I can't see why he wouldn't be able to learn it

list me one of his ninjutsu beside shunshin which is E rank

man , give me a break , ranks don't matter and you know it , I mean Hokage Kakashi is a total joke

no he is not.kakashi became jounin without sharingan at age of 10 or 11

the seven swordsmen are a capable shinobis ya' know , anyone of them could've used mist to escape from or Dai or something , no ?

Seriously they are going to survive 8 Gates now.You should start reading the manga.
to gai 8 gates grants you power above all Gokage.They don't stand a chance to even escape :lol

 

[Hakke]

And that is why you need to read the manga rayther than randomly spamming.yes he meant new jutsu since few pages ago he has tried massive wood realease for the first time.

@bold , evidence..? ,

I mean he was only shown using it in the Manga for the first time , but that doesn't mean that he wasn't able to use it when he was alive

I mean Neji was shown using the gentle fist in the Manga in the chunin exams , does that mean that he wasn't able to use it before ?

changes what you have nothing to back your statements up.
Getting Obito's eye[DNA] didn't allow kakashi to use Great fireball jutsu or getting Itachi's eyes didn't grant sasuke empheral or other genjutsu.Hell he didn't even get Tsukiyomi.
Getting Jutsu didn't magically grant Sasuke his jutsu's despite having curse mark earlier

I can't believe we are still arguing this right now , my point that this jutsu is not a KKG , meaning that Neji can learn it

and this doesn't apply to neji why oh wait you are biased

did I say that Sakura can't use genjutsu ? no , did I say that Neji can use genjutsu ? no ,

if either one of them wanted to learn a Jutsu , then they can learn it , but they don't want to , it is as simple as this

lol keep pushing it hard.all the hyuga jutsu's are classified taijutsu in databook.Eight gates uses chakra aka night guy is a chakra dragon and its still taijutsu.Chakra enhanced strenght is also taijutsu

okay , but that wasn't my point in the first place :lol

no he learned 2 main branch jutsu and hasn't shown much in part 2 on other hand sakura mastered S rank forbidden jutsu while naruto above S rank rasenshuriken.
naruto also learned forbidden jutsu multi kage bunshin when he was in academy

@bold , thank Kishi :sdo:

list me one of his ninjutsu beside shunshin which is E rank

the dude simply didn't want to use normal Ninjutsu ,

let me get my point clear , if a capable Ninja wanted to learn something he can learn it

example , if Sakura wanted to be a genjutsu specialist , she could've been one , right ?

and if Neji wanted to learn Ninjutsu , he could've learned , right ?

no he is not.kakashi became jounin without sharingan at age of 10 or 11

and he simply peed his pants in front of meteors

man , just ask anyone if the rank maters or not , the answer is no , it doesn't mater

Seriously they are going to survive 8 Gates now.You should start reading the manga.
to gai 8 gates grants you power above all Gokage.They don't stand a chance to even escape :lol

well they are 7 , and we simply know nothing about their abilities , we only know that everyone of them is capable ,

so we can't be sure , they could've used shunshin , the mist , or substitution Jutsu ,or any special Jutsu in order just to escape

 

[Hakke]

read what kabuto says

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he was same guy who got access to multiple KKG's by body enhancement

and what does that have to do with him being an Edo ?

he just said that this is the strongest Edo because he has Hashirama cells , he didn't say that his Mokuto was strong because he was an Edo

 

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@bold , evidence..? ,

I mean he was only shown using it in the Manga for the first time , but that doesn't mean that he wasn't able to use it when he was alive
I mean Neji was shown using the gentle fist in the Manga in the chunin exams , does that mean that he wasn't able to use it before ?

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I can't believe we are still arguing this right now , my point that this jutsu is not a KKG , meaning that Neji can learn it

yes maybe
can does not mean he obviously will.
learning does not means proficiency

did I say that Sakura can't use genjutsu ? no , did I say that Neji can use genjutsu ? no ,

not the point

if either one of them wanted to learn a Jutsu , then they can learn it , but they don't want to , it is as simple as this

yes the only point is if sakura despite being genjutsu has not shown genjutsu nor we can say anything about her proficiency with it same applies on neji who hasn't shown anything remotely related to puppet jutsu

okay , but that wasn't my point in the first place :lol

lol you are the one who tried to pass taijutsu as nintaijutsu

@bold , thank Kishi :sdo:

so :lol

the dude simply didn't want to use normal Ninjutsu ,

Yes becoz taijutsu is his speciality he has trained in taijutsu for his life

let me get my point clear , if a capable Ninja wanted to learn something he can learn it

Yes the one capable in gentle fist art of taijutsu
Ninjutsu is diverse concept.He has shown none and you are trying to give him special puppet jutsu out of thin air

Sasuke has great ninjustu talent am i gonna pass him as puppet master nope :lol

example , if Sakura wanted to be a genjutsu specialist , she could've been one , right ?

maybe we don't know that for sure.
most likely since she mastered few S ranks forbidden jutsu and is genjutsu type

and if Neji wanted to learn Ninjutsu , he could've learned , right ?

Yes
then it comes to which type of ninjutsu

Elemantal:yes
shuriken and kenjutsu: yes and maybe

special ninjutsu's like Puppet technique;medical jutsu's;barrier ninjutsu;sealing ninjutsu we can't say or pass him as master
medical jutsu is direct nope since he does not even have yang release

and he simply peed his pants in front of meteors

and what does that prove :lol if it wasn't for sasuke no one would have been able to stop it :lol

man , just ask anyone if the rank maters or not , the answer is no , it doesn't mater

no it does :lol but does not in many special cases like naruto;sasuke etc or when the one with lower rank actually has feats that proves he is stronger
Genin neji was stronger than chunin hinata
Genin Naruto was stronger than Jounin neji

well they are 7 , and we simply know nothing about their abilities , we only know that everyone of them is capable ,

Yes Fubuki with samehada was killed by kisame who had no samehada but escaped might dai :lol

so we can't be sure , they could've used shunshin , the mist , or substitution Jutsu ,or any special Jutsu in order just to escape

are you kidding :lol
Gai's speed in seventh gate surprised juubi jin madara who before becoming juubi jin reacted to tobirama's FTG who has shown one of fastest reflex in manga.Those ninja's getting away from might dai who will go for kill to save his son and others in 8th gate would be joke if he is anywhere near close to gai's lvl

and what does that have to do with him being an Edo ?
he just said that this is the strongest Edo because he has Hashirama cells , he didn't say that his Mokuto was strong because he was an Edo

no one said this lmao
He already had hashirama's cells when he was alive :lol but was only able to pull massive mokuton jutsu's when he was revived as an edo stronger than when he was in prime lmfao.
Kabuto points it out twice and madara multiple times when using those jutsu's since he explicitly states them to be hashirama's jutsu

 

[Hakke]

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Lmao your comprehension skills :lol

he said "there is a jutsu I'd like to try out" , and he said after it "I think it will make a prettier picture if I do it where there are people"

meaning that he already know what the Jutsu is , and he just wanted to try it on the shinobis .

he didn't say "a new Jutsu"

yes maybe
can does not mean he obviously will.
learning does not means proficiency

he need a lot of time to practice , it depends on how talented he is ,

yes the only point is if sakura despite being genjutsu has not shown genjutsu nor we can say anything about her proficiency with it same applies on neji who hasn't shown anything remotely related to puppet jutsu

Yes becoz taijutsu is his speciality he has trained in taijutsu for his life

Yes the one capable in gentle fist art of taijutsu
Ninjutsu is diverse concept.He has shown none and you are trying to give him special puppet jutsu out of thin air

Sasuke has great ninjustu talent am i gonna pass him as puppet master nope :lol

Elemantal:yes
shuriken and kenjutsu: yes and maybe

special ninjutsu's like Puppet technique;medical jutsu's;barrier ninjutsu;sealing ninjutsu we can't say or pass him as master
medical jutsu is direct nope since he does not even have yang release

BTW , Toneri's jutsu is not the same as the normal puppet technique ,

it is a Ninjutsu with unique traits ,

no it does :lol but does not in many special cases like naruto;sasuke etc or when the one with lower rank actually has feats that proves he is stronger
Genin neji was stronger than chunin hinata
Genin Naruto was stronger than Jounin neji

Dai was able to open 8th Gates ya' know

Yes Fubuki with samehada was killed by kisame who had no samehada but escaped might dai :lol

we didn't see exactly what happened so we can't be sure

are you kidding :lol
Gai's speed in seventh gate surprised juubi jin madara who before becoming juubi jin reacted to tobirama's FTG who has shown one of fastest reflex in manga.Those ninja's getting away from might dai who will go for kill to save his son and others in 8th gate would be joke if he is anywhere near close to gai's lvl

again , we know nothing about the 7 swordsmen abilities , so we can't be sure

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anyway there is no point of keep arguing , as if we just argue to argue , we will see Lee with 8th gate in the Boruto manga eventually :lol,

but I can't say the same to Neji , there is low chances that they are going to revive him

 

[Anbu Knights]

Horrendous stomp considering Naruto or Sasuke can solo.

8G Gai > Hypothetical 8G Lee (Obviously)
Toneri > Hypothetical Tenseigan Neji