[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 856 Discussion and 857 Predictions

[chopstickchakra]

^also someone made an interesting post from OJ:





Maybe this will not even be a full on fight against BM and Luffy, but a test to see where Luffy stands regarding something entirely different. Maybe he will push her mentally and then something BIG will happen on the island that will cause this supposed "battle" to be interrupted.

Didn't Luffy already promise to kick BM's ass at FMI though? Declaring it now shouldn't be necessary.

 

[Dannie]

I'm positive Oda is gonna have Big Mom explode and flip the **** out. It's wayyyy too obvious how much has been going wrong, when has Oda ever done this before?

Yeah, I think this is more of things turning against Big Mam. Not because Luffy is stronger, which he's not.

Didn't Luffy already promise to kick BM's ass at FMI though? Declaring it now shouldn't be necessary.

That wasn't at the peak of disaster though, but idk. I thought it was a pretty decent thing to think about since we won't see all hell break loose until the day of the wedding.

 

[Skull Knight]

Guys stop complaining and let's see what Luffy is going to do next.
Its quite obvious that Luffy vs BM is going to happen in wedding thing.
Capone has already made his move and their is also that tamate box which is going to play an important role to beat BM.
And I m sure Ceasar is also making some type of gas weapon to escape from Cake island.
Now this is my opinion that BM's chapter need to be closed this arc. We already saw what she can do(with her powers) and a little bit about her past (where Roger tricked her to get the poneglyph thing) was also shown. I suppose her role has ended as far as story is concerned. If Luffy leaves her now then FI will be obviously destroyed because Jinbei betrayed her & a clash between Kaido & BM won't be good for Wano.
Let's not forget the one who wins the clash will obviously target Luffy & Co. for an eternity.

 

[loj]

I feel like Big Mom isn't going to be defeated this arc but I'm kinda sure she will be tricked instead.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Capone will surely go against BM when SHs will wreck havoc in wedding ceremony, no supernova is going to be underling without any prior benefit!!

 

[Love Cook]

Guys stop complaining and let's see what Luffy is going to do next.
Its quite obvious that Luffy vs BM is going to happen in wedding thing.
Capone has already made his move and their is also that tamate box which is going to play an important role to beat BM.
And I m sure Ceasar is also making some type of gas weapon to escape from Cake island.
Now this is my opinion that BM's chapter need to be closed this arc. We already saw what she can do(with her powers) and a little bit about her past (where Roger tricked her to get the poneglyph thing) was also shown. I suppose her role has ended as far as story is concerned. If Luffy leaves her now then FI will be obviously destroyed because Jinbei betrayed her & a clash between Kaido & BM won't be good for Wano.
Let's not forget the one who wins the clash will obviously target Luffy & Co. for an eternity.

Yes and Fishman Island will be destroyed, because that is already predicted by Madam Shirley three arcs ago. Another good reason for Big Mom not to go down this arc.

 

[Skull Knight]

Yes and Fishman Island will be destroyed, because that is already predicted by Madam Shirley three arcs ago. Another good reason for Big Mom not to go down this arc.

FI can be destroyed by other guys like BB or WG trying to get that weapon thing.
And liked I said above a clash between Kaido & BM will most likely destroy Wano & winner will hunt SHs forever.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yes and Fishman Island will be destroyed, because that is already predicted by Madam Shirley three arcs ago. Another good reason for Big Mom not to go down this arc.

The prediction was Luffy would destroy it not BM so why is that a good reason for BM not to go down this arc?

 

[Skull Knight]

The prediction was Luffy would destroy it not BM so why is that a good reason for BM not to go down this arc?

I thought her prediction was Luffy standing on a destroyed FI.
If I remember properly it was never said who destroyed FI

 

[Love Cook]

FI can be destroyed by other guys like BB or WG trying to get that weapon thing.
And liked I said above a clash between Kaido & BM will most likely destroy Wano & winner will hunt SHs forever.

That is all speculation, so far Big Mom has the most reason to be there.

Also if Kaidou and BM fight each other, the SH's or other supernova's can pick off the weakened survivor of that fight. Problem solved.

I thought her prediction was Luffy standing on a destroyed FI.
If I remember properly it was never said who destroyed FI

true

 

[Skull Knight]

That is all speculation, so far Big Mom has the most reason to be there.

I agree BM has good reason but dont u think its kinda lame that BM will first go to FI to destroy it & then she will go to wano to get Ceasar?

Also if Kaidou and BM fight each other, the SH's or other supernova's can pick off the weakened survivor of that fight. Problem solved.

I dont think its that easy. We already saw what happened to PH where 2 top tier guys clashed.
If something like that happens in Wano then samurais have to abandon their home and try to re locate somewhere else because the island will be most probably unfit for living(as seen in PH)

 

[chopstickchakra]

I thought her prediction was Luffy standing on a destroyed FI.
If I remember properly it was never said who destroyed FI

Idk I'll have to double check, I don't think the image showed him destroying it but as you said standing on top of it already ruined, but I thought Sharley(whatever her name is) herself said Luffy would destroy it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The fortuneteller just saw Luffy at a destroyed FI, and assumed he would be the one to destroy it. She never actually saw him destroying it.

 

[loj]

The fortuneteller just saw Luffy at a destroyed FI, and assumed he would be the one to destroy it. She never actually saw him destroying it.

this.

hopefully there will be a war.

 

[Mystikk]

I didn't say Luffy alone would beat her did I? So asking what he has to beat her is redundant. He has 2 armies, a crew member with an inherent advantage over her DF Homies(a good chunk of her crew from what we've seen) and we got a hint when she killed her son her ability to take souls relies on fear of her which Luffy will have none. I would consider it good because it's the ground work Oda has laid and to divert from it would be a waste.

None of you can explain how it's technically "bad" writing for the main character to clear the obstacles in their path. In your opinions it's better writing to have someone else completely unrelated with the MC clear his obstacles for him. What you all call "poor" writing is how you describe an author taking a path you wouldn't have chose or didn't want to see.

You say we're hell bent but it's the BM vs Kaidou would be so much better story telling group that's pushing an idea. I'm gauging what's likely to happen off what's currently happening, they're crying for a fight that may not happening and calling anything besides it bad story telling. Yes Kaidou wants Caesar and yes BM has him but we don't know that Kaidou's ever even going to find out, yet you all treat it as fact he will and will come for him when he does and will have a fight with BM for him. We've seen Yonkou aren't big on fighting with WB/Shanks and Kaidou/Shanks so you're all ruling out negotiations too soon. BM could just tell Kaidou "OK, give me a few months for him to make my giants then he's all yours for your Smiles" but again it's not what you all want to see so it's "poor writing" even though it's a perfectly reasonable way the interaction could go given the instances we've seen of Yonkou meetings.



You're expansive story lines have the future PK not defeating a single Yonkou on his way there. Yeah great story telling abilities I see why WSJ's looking to bring you in.



And he'll have help beating BM too, so again how is it bad writing for the MC to defeat an enemy that stands in his way of his goal?

So it's poor writing because you think there's a better choice, got ya. What happens past that possible conflict? Maybe this instance sets up something else? No, Oda wouldn't do anything like that though. BM will definitely have to fight Kaidou because of Caesar, it's not like people can negotiate and it's not like we have precedent of Yonkou's being hesitant to fight one another.

Well said chopstick.. they rather see the main character lose so that can have an expansive story smh.. like how many people wouldve really been happy if luffy lost to doffy so doffy could fight kaido ????

People on this forum cry when the author writes his story his own way.. then they say its poor writing.. smh luffy will defeat bigmom get over it already.

it's amazing to me that you can write this down and not see the problem of this yourself.

You admit Luffy isn't ready, yet you want him to fight. You want him to win that fight and then move on to an even stronger opponent. And repeat the same trick all over again. You're on such a slipping slope if you would do that. That is the terrain of asspulls and friendship power.

And no next month we're not forgotten if he would have defeated Big Mom with bullshit. Oda crafted this story for 20 years and he is not going to flush it down the toilet and put Luffy in fast forward because you're bored with this arc and don't like Big Mom.

Luffy was not able to beat Doflamingo or Cracker without a lot of help. To beat Big Mom who is in a whole other league with help from who exactly ? Sanji and Jimbei are the strongest there. While being on her island with her army around. Wedding guests will attend in her favor. They have no chance.

He wasnt ready to fight doffy but it happened, he also wasnt ready to fight rob lucci the first time but it all happened within there respective arcs, and these stronger opponents were defeated by luffy, who wasnt READY!!!!!

If your bias brain can stop nit picking at certain parts of my post you will realize i said this is what I personally like about onepiece. You cant bash me because this is what i like. Its my oppinion, just like your opinion of him running away so we can see a pointless kaido vs bm fight.

The main reason i watch one piece is FACT that he goes against opponents who are farrrr stronger then him.. not your lil baby way of him sneaking around the new world so u can see other characters just to please you. LUFFY WOULD NEVER RUN AGAIN HE SAID IT HIMSELF.. so its your fault wanting him too and calling it poor writing.. thats your mistake.

I wish oda could read the bullshit you guys are saying about his manga. I just dont understand why you keep reading and keep posting and keep crying about the writing of the story when you can just stop reading it.

I guess you guys are just luffy haters.. no you guys hate on anything that doesnt go as you planned or as you see fit for a story you didnt write. I hate haters bro. How can yu hate a manga yu follow everday wtf .. bias ass people. . Hypocrisy man seriously(same people who are suppose to love onepiece)

Ill say it one more time, we dont care if the story goes our way or the suuuuper long franky way that yall want.. but the difference is we wont bash the whole thread because the story doesnt go our way, you guys make it your priority to try and shit on our predictions and shit on oda for writing it that way..

losers. Guess ill bash yall the same way yall keep doing us so your views suck and thats exactly why Oda isnt writing onepiece in that shitty way your thinking of hahahah.

When luffy defeats bigmom ill definately be here to mail you a baby nipple.. crybaby a** leave the forum. We dont need your stupid bm vs kaido post anymore, and we dont want to read anymore illogical, opinionated, and expansive post from you guys. Go watch harry potter if you want an expansive story.. reading your retarded post that have no real value in the present time are depressing as a onepiece fan.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well said chopstick.. they rather see the main character lose so that can have an expansive story smh.. like how many people wouldve really been happy if luffy lost to doffy so doffy could fight kaido ????

People on this forum cry when the author writes his story his own way.. then they say its poor writing.. smh luffy will defeat bigmom get over it already.

You're literally crying about people calling One Piece an expansive story, when it is one, and then say we're crying for that? Log out.

 

[Mystikk]

You're literally crying about people calling One Piece an expansive story, when it is one, and then say we're crying for that? Log out.

O you mean the same way your crying about how poor oda writes his own manga ??? Hahhah kill yourself

You said onepiece is expansive thats your opinion not mines.. i consider it adventurous theres a difference. I dont want it to last forever and i dont wana see other characters who have no real connections or differences clash, thats what you and your cheerleaders want. oda seems to like the poor writing that your referring too. Hahaa

 

[Punk Hazard]

O you mean the same way your crying about how poor oda writes his own manga ??? Hahhah kill yourself

You're telling me to kill myself because I called something that is a repeated cliche a repeated cliche, and saying that not repeating a cliche would be a better story?

You're telling me to kill myself because I said it's better for Oda to keep characters important and not waste them like other series have?

But we're the immature ones, right?

You said onepiece is expansive thats your opinion not mines..

That's one thing that is not an opinion, it's a fact. Oda has an arc written up for Revolutionaries. Dressrosa was Law and Doflamingo's arc. We have the upcoming Reverie. Banaro Island and the Post-War mini-arc were about the world around Luffy with Luffy just being a fraction of that focus. Marineford was an arc for Ace, the Whitebeard pirates, the world and the Marines in equal amounts as it was for Luffy. As Luffy does things, we constantly have chapters that show the rest of the world's reactions, changes, or events. When Luffy's bounty goes up, we see reactions around the entire world. A manga that isn't about an expansive world wouldn't show reactions across the entire world to everything that happens. What about this makes One Piece not an expansive story about a collective world, and not just about one character?

i consider it adventurous theres a difference.

They're not exclusive. In fact, they go hand in hand. Because this is a manga about an adventure through a world, the adventure relies on the world being expansive and widely built. You can't have an adventure manga without an expansive world.

I dont want it to last forever and i dont wana see other characters who have no real connections or differences clash

The fact that you said you don't want to see characters with no real connections clash automatically makes this opinion irrelevant because Big Mom and Kaido do have real connections.

thats what you and your cheerleaders want.

This isn't an insult. In fact, it's a positive statement. We want this storyline because it's better, not the other way around. The only people who have used "I want this to happen" as the basis of their argument is you.

Honestly bro we just want to see luffy fight and defeat the yonko.. not the other way around. I could careless how he does it

oda seems to like the poor writing that your referring too. Hahaa

It's actually the exact opposite. I wouldn't expect for a storyline that incorporates an expansive world and maintenance of side character importance if One Piece wasn't already written in that format. THAT'S the kind of writing that Oda prefers.

 

[loj]

O you mean the same way your crying about how poor oda writes his own manga ??? Hahhah kill yourself

You said onepiece is expansive thats your opinion not mines.. i consider it adventurous theres a difference. I dont want it to last forever and i dont wana see other characters who have no real connections or differences clash, thats what you and your cheerleaders want. oda seems to like the poor writing that your referring too. Hahaa

I mean...I can't help but laugh sorry

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I hope the Vinsmokes are really prepared if a coup d'etat happened. They would be a good force in taking down Big-Mom along with Luffy and Sun-Pirates...... and hopefully Firetank-Pirates. I want that to happen.