All I have to say is how in the world do you think Rinne Sharingan Madara matches or beats Jubi Jin Hagoromo when Madara was missing Yin Kurama and had some other bijuu chakra stolen from him by Obito.
U really make no sense and let me tell u why the fact that u said that giving someone who never had sage power and the bijuu and someone who already had sage power and the bijuu and give them the juubi it would equal the same and that's false
actually hago separated the bijuu in him so he basically has the mode Naruto had against kaguya but with the same chakra as the juubi because unlike Naruto he actually had the full bodies of the bijuus in him
Hagoromo is not immortal because he doesn't have the Holy Tree. Madara also can seal Hagoromo.
also he can still absorb more senjutsu madara cannot because even with the juubi his body has its limits that's why he needed hashis power just like obito was weaker than madara much weaker and hago has the stronger body so that's another advantage hago is also naturally blessed coming straight from kaguya he could easily do anything madara is capable of at a higher scale because he has more chakra so basically hago wins mid to high diff
Madara can absorb more chakra, as stated in the Databook and implied by Hagoromo himself. And no, it's the opposite. Madara can do everything Hagoromo can and more. Hagoromo can't use any Mangekyou Sharingan abilities and doesn't believe in using Ninja Techniques (ninjutsu) in the first place.
You're missing the point though.
Hagoromo in his prime became Juubi Jin of the complete Juubi before its pieces where separated by Hagoromo. The manga has shown that bijuu vary in power. Like how 50% Kyuubi can match/beat 5 bijuu. Jubito only had peices of the kyubi and Hachibi yet. Judara who actually got half of kurama and the 8 tails. Became far stronger than he, the manga made that clear given Naruto and Sasuke needed a buff by the SO6P too compete. (Also Rikudo chakra too harm him with Ninjutsu, where as Jubito they needed plain ol Senjutsu.)
Even Obito himself questioned the Juubi's strength since he failed too capture the 8 and nine tails in the beginning of the war.
Too summarize. Greater/complete peices of bijuu chakra = stronger more complete Juubi/Juubi power.
Hagoromo only brought the souls to the world, unlike Rinne Rebirth whereas life is instilled. Hagoromo didn't give them some sort of body. That's just how souls look as we can see in multiple instances, and people have always been able to see souls, as shown on multiple occasions.
Rinne rebirth brings the soul back to the body, and hagormoo brought the souls back into the real world just like I said. You're just rewording what I already said. The kages he brought back where given a new body instead of their former ones but in the end of the say they were momentary still alive. And you can't say I was wrong about that.
The term "Six Paths" only comes up in that single instance, and that surely does not mean everything in the text is talking specifically about Six Paths chakra or energy.
Wrong. The databook divided it Six path yin and yang and fragmented yin yang which you are talking about. I have no idea why you're speculating otherwise the databook was juts restating what Tobi already said.
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Uchiha and Senju yin yang release is a kekkai genkai and as Tobi/Databook stated is that Hagormoo's energy was split into two in which the Uchiha inherit the Yin energy while the Senju Inherit Yang energy.
The fragment Yin and Yang release that can be found in traces of jutsu and other clan techniques is NOT a kekkai genkai which is why it's called Hiden jutsus.
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So you arguing that uchiha and senju are not six path yin and yang not only doesn't make sense but Indra and Ashura are both Uchiha and senju that are individual halves of Hagormoo. The databook and Manga made the abundantly clear do not argue with Kishi's words here. Two clans (Indra uchiha and Ashura senju) that were once one is hagormoo, split chakra into two and what you have is Mental energy and Physical energy. Uchihas have mental energies in the eyes known as the sharingan while senjus were gifted with physical energies that gave off lots of life forces. Put that transmigrant physical energy into a transmigrant mental energy gives you hagromoo's chakra in the eyes known as the rinnegan. If they are not transmigrants it'll give them his chakra to further enhance their sharingan like Indra, Tobi, and Kakashi.
Not exactly. If children's chakra was just a combination of co-existing chakra, they would have all the bloodline limits (or more specifically chakra-based abilities), and obviously this isn't true, which means chakra changes and dilutes. Even for your specific example, Naruto. He doesn't have the signature Uzumaki chakra chains. Hagoromo and Hamura don't have the same eye techniques despite Kaguya being the only parent with chakra, meaning dilution.
1. The bold part I don't understand what you're saying
2.Absolutely not, this is just theory talk. Naruto's clan does not have a signature uzamaki chakra chains, that's just special chakra being selected inside the clan itself. Otherwise you'll be saying Tobirama doesn't have the signature senju mokuton and Madara/Itachi/Tobi don't have the signature uchiha (blaze release) flame control.
3. Just because you have the same chakra doesn't mean you'll have the same doujutsu. Kaguya who's chakra was shared between her son's and Hamura has the same byukagan as her mother hence debunking that dumb diluted theory.
Diluted chakra is fanfic until the manga porves otherwise. A theory is just a theory, don't try to pass it off as factual it's annoying.
Six Paths Sage chakra may all be the same (their not), but not all Six Paths Sage Modes are the same. I was talking about the appearance. Obito who had less Six Paths power looked less like Kaguya. Madara, who had the most after absorbing the Holy Tree, looked closest to Kaguya, even more so than Hagoromo. And no, Hagoromo was talking about before Madara had a second Rinnegan, the Holy Tree, or the RinneSharingan.
Appearance means absolutely nothing when Hagormoo, Naruto, and Obito both carried the signature Otsutsuki forehead horns on their head while one of them acquiring a different sagemode.
And to make matters worse for you is that Hagormoo and Hamura both used Six path Sage mode to use the TSB they had when they were fighting the jyubi. The databook said that Six path coffin seal is a six path jutsu that absorbs the jyubi acquiring power the same as Hagormoo. So as far as facts goes, it's the same type of chakra. And if it's the same type of sennin chakra then it means it comes directly from the jyubi.
Obito who had the god tree within his body before separating it was still compared to Hagormoo. So the same thing applies to Madara even after absorbing the god tree. The rinne sharingan you claimed that he gained is non other then shift placements of where the eye is reflecting off.
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Both pictures, same eyes.
Already said power encapsulates many things. Chakra can be one of them. Going to need a visual of that Obito statement, because it doesn't make sense. I already gave you the proof of power referring to ability, as in the third power of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Obviously you can't say the third chakra, since that makes absolutely no sense.
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, Raikage refers to his physical strength as power. You can't replace power with chakra because increasing his speed isn't going to increase his chakra.
Well you do realize that the Raikage's speed is based off how much chakra he ampes up right? So you saying him increasing his speed is not going to increase his chakra is laughable and proves that you speculate way too much instead of reading the manga.
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So he was clearly not referring to his physical strength as power but his speed which is increased by Chakra.
Madara combined the chakra genetically, allowing him to use both. This is done scientifically and exactly, whereas with sexual reproduction, only select random genes are used for mixture. How do you expect Madara to use Six Paths Sage Mode when he doesn't have natural energy? He has to train to absorb it.
Madara combined the chakra genetically, allowing him to use both. This is done scientifically and exactly, whereas with sexual reproduction, only select random genes are used for mixture. How do you expect Madara to use Six Paths Sage Mode when he doesn't have natural energy? He has to train to absorb it.
His chakra had to combined together in order to use awaken Hagormoo's chakra. So genetically implanting chakra also accumulates chakra togther, Hence why DSm kabuto for an example was so unrecognizable because he had so many other people's chakra inside of him not being able to pin point one type of chakra.
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Madara never trained to absorb anysenjutsu, that's just a speculation and the manga already confirmed so. Six path coffin seal is a jutsu that helps you absorb the power and only require a great deal of will from the user.
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This point just seems like denial now. He specifically separated power and chakra. They are not always interchangeable.
I mean he really didn't it's just the manga being redundant since the power is coming from the eyes which happens to reflect chakra. You definitely go overboard with this madara stuff.
