[Spoilers] One Piece Manga General Spoilers & Summaries | 1094

[Hellioncurse]

Strength plays a massive role in threat lvl, they aren't exclusive to each other. 99% of the time in this manga the higher up you go in the power scale the higher up the bounties are. It's an easy correlation to make.

This should be old news by now.

If the author is introducing such a low bounty at this point of the manga, it means

1.He isn't a major threat to anyone (aka weak, low in the pecking order of the crew)
2.Oda is hiding something.

Such a low bounty is done on purpose, it's not supposed to be impressive readers are supposed to see that and think he's weak.

Since when did Bounties get to decide how powerful the guy is? As you can see in Robins case, she was a minor child with no fighting skill and had a bounty of 80 Million? And Luffy's bounty should be way up around 800 million or so but the World Govt decided not to.

In other words, Bounties don't mean anything to the WG but the threat people represent to them. It most certainly not represent strength and should not be used as an indicator.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Strength plays a massive role in threat lvl, they aren't exclusive to each other. 99% of the time in this manga the higher up you go in the power scale the higher up the bounties are. It's an easy correlation to make.

This could very well be a spurious relationship. A situation where two variables appear correlated, but a third factor could be the cause for this apparent correlation.

In this case, the correlation between the variable strength and the variable bounty. Yeah, bounty tends to increase as strength increases. But there is a third variable at play: Activity. Take Luffy for example. As he got stronger, he tended to also get more and more involved with bigger and bigger concepts. As Zoro mentioned, they got stronger every time they went to an island, even when they didn't realize it.

As they moved from island to island, they did one more thing for the World Government to notice them. The fact that they're doing these things is what could cause a bounty to increase. If Luffy was traveling and getting stronger, but not doing anything with this strength for the World Government to notice, his strength would increase but his bounty wouldn't.

Same thing can apply for Bobbin. He can be strong, but if he isn't using that strength for anything that's an actual threat to the world or its government, then his bounty won't reflect his strength.

A low bounty meaning someone is weak is a really dumb thing to say when we have implications/indications that they're pretty strong.

Sanji was using DJ on fodders, the fact that a base kick did that much damage to Bobbins was actually not a good look for him. Certainly not a pro for him.

"That much damage?" What damage? And don't say "He spit up blood," you're only setting yourself up for failure if you do.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Bobbin's bounty is suspicious. He destroys counties that don't pay their dues, so his bounty should be higher, even if he isn't that strong, and he only took minor injuries from an enraged Sanji kick, so he is clearly stronger than someone with a 105 million bounty would normally be. Riker's probably right.

Maybe the WG doesn't take into consideration things that happen on Yonkou controlled islands?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Maybe the WG doesn't take into consideration things that happen on Yonkou controlled islands?

This would kinda make sense tbvh. The entire concept of it being "Yonko territory" gives an implication that it's out of the WG's reach to a degree.

 

[ToshiZO]

This could very well be a spurious relationship. A situation where two variables appear correlated, but a third factor could be the cause for this apparent correlation.

In this case, the correlation between the variable strength and the variable bounty. Yeah, bounty tends to increase as strength increases. But there is a third variable at play: Activity. Take Luffy for example. As he got stronger, he tended to also get more and more involved with bigger and bigger concepts. As Zoro mentioned, they got stronger every time they went to an island, even when they didn't realize it.

As they moved from island to island, they did one more thing for the World Government to notice them. The fact that they're doing these things is what could cause a bounty to increase. If Luffy was traveling and getting stronger, but not doing anything with this strength for the World Government to notice, his strength would increase but his bounty wouldn't.

Same thing can apply for Bobbin. He can be strong, but if he isn't using that strength for anything that's an actual threat to the world or its government, then his bounty won't reflect his strength.

A low bounty meaning someone is weak is a really dumb thing to say when we have implications/indications that they're pretty strong.

Oda uses these bounties as a tool to hype up characters, when Jack's bounty was revealed it was supposed to wow readers. Bringing up an incredibly low bounty, it is obvious Oda purposefully wants Bobbins to appear like a lightweight.

"That much damage?" What damage? And don't say "He spit up blood," you're only setting yourself up for failure if you do.

-taking too much time getting up.

Compare it to how Niji handled it, and you could see the difference in portrayal.

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-Gets smashed.
-Next panel of him he isn't dazed in pain, but fixing his jaw
-recovers immediately.


Absolutely nothing in Bobbins panel is supposed to indicate "impressive", or be used as a pro.

And Luffy's bounty should be way up around 800 million or so but the World Govt decided not to.

No it shouldn't. His bounty was split up between Law and him for taking down Doflamingo. If it takes a tag team to take down Mingo, you probably aren't deserving of an 800 mil bounty in the world govts eyes.

 

[Hellioncurse]

Maybe the WG doesn't take into consideration things that happen on Yonkou controlled islands?

Then why would Cracker have 800+ bounty? And Jack having 800+ Bounty? And also other ministers of Enraged Army has good bounty when compared to Bobbin?

It must be his powers which regards to his bounty.

 

[ToshiZO]

Then why would Cracker have 800+ bounty? And Jack having 800+ Bounty? And also other ministers of Enraged Army has good bounty when compared to Bobbin?

It must be his powers which regards to his bounty.

OR he could simply be weaker than all those mentioned above as well. Why is that not an option?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Then why would Cracker have 800+ bounty? And Jack having 800+ Bounty? And also other ministers of Enraged Army has good bounty when compared to Bobbin?

It must be his powers which regards to his bounty.

None of the other EA commanders had their bounties revealed.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

OR he could simply be weaker than all those mentioned above as well. Why is that not an option?

Opera got one shotted by Jinbe. Bobbin took, if we're lowballing him, moderate damage from a surprise kick from an enraged Sanji.

 

[ToshiZO]

Opera got one shotted by Jinbe. Bobbin took, if we're lowballing him, moderate damage from a surprise kick from an enraged Sanji.

Maybe because Jimbe used a stronger attack? "5000 tile justice fist"? Maybe because Jimbe's attacks are stronger?

Sanji just used a basic non DJ kick. DJ is pretty basic for Sanji itself post timeskip.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Then why would Cracker have 800+ bounty? And Jack having 800+ Bounty? And also other ministers of Enraged Army has good bounty when compared to Bobbin?

It must be his powers which regards to his bounty.

That is a possibility, I do get the feeling Bobbins isn't quite where people put him in their minds but it's not impossible just because of this bounty. As for Jack and Cracker we don't know anything about them or what they did for that bounty they may go out and take over new territories for the Yonkou which would increase a bounty whereas Bobbins may just police territories.

OR he could simply be weaker than all those mentioned above as well. Why is that not an option?

That's what he said

Opera got one shotted by Jinbe. Bobbin took, if we're lowballing him, moderate damage from a surprise kick from an enraged Sanji.

Maybe because Jimbe used a stronger attack? "5000 tile justice fist"? Maybe because Jimbe's attacks are stronger?

Sanji just used a basic non DJ kick. DJ is pretty basic for Sanji itself post timeskip.

I agree with Tosh on this point. Jinbei had the stronger hit.

 

[Hellioncurse]

Oda uses these bounties as a tool to hype up characters, when Jack's bounty was revealed it was supposed to wow readers. Bringing up an incredibly low bounty, it is obvious Oda purposefully wants Bobbins to appear like a lightweight.




-taking too much time getting up.

Compare it to how Niji handled it, and you could see the difference in portrayal.

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-Gets smashed.
-Next panel of him he isn't dazed in pain, but fixing his jaw
-recovers immediately.


Absolutely nothing in Bobbins panel is supposed to indicate "impressive", or be used as a pro.












No it shouldn't. His bounty was split up between Law and him for taking down Doflamingo. If it takes a tag team to take down Mingo, you probably aren't deserving of an 800 mil bounty in the world govts eyes.

Lmao, this was the only point you picked from my post? Which actually diminishes the entire point of the argument but it's still, Ok.

Unlike Law? He challenged the World Govt from the beginning of his journey?

1. Defeated Crocodile (Shishibukai)
2. Defeated CP9 which works directly under World Govt? And declared a war against world Govt?
3. Defeated Moriah (Shishibukai) and the World Govt decided to hide his defeat and did not increase Luffy's Bounty.
4. Marine ford saga.
5. DD another Shishibukai

And still his bounty equals that of Law and Law only aim was to defeat Doflamingo and was hiding under the Shishibukai title until Luffy showed up.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'd like to point out there's a chance some are romanticizing Bobbin's island take down too. 1. He didn't do it on his own, he was shown returning with a group. 2. We don't know anything about the island or the destruction. It's just as possible that it was a strong island as it is that it was just a typical island with regular people on it.

Arlong took over an island. Granted it was an East Blue island but point is you don't have to be super strong to take over some times. Plus any country that fought the first wave even if they succeeded would just get a stronger crew on them so what's the odds they'd fight baack especially knowing the punishment for not getting BM her food?

Regardless of his powers or strength I do like him, he's a fun looking character. I wanna see him swing that sword at least once but I get a strange eeling he'll meet up with Sanji and Luffy right after Luffy eats his meat and molly whopped again.

 

[Hellioncurse]

OR he could simply be weaker than all those mentioned above as well. Why is that not an option?

Because of his mysterious power it's hard for me to think otherwise and for the very reason that he used his power on his own allies while going after Sanji makes him look more confident and badass at same time.

And if he gets one shotted by Luffy or Sanji? That would be very depressive after all the hype he got.

 

[ToshiZO]

Honestly he didn't get much hype. It's just a case of fans overblowing vague things with Bobbins. If he gets one shotted, no biggie, if he turns out to be SC level no biggie.

 

[Hellioncurse]

Honestly he didn't get much hype. It's just a case of fans overblowing vague things with Bobbins. If he gets one shotted, no biggie, if he turns out to be SC level no biggie.

Fair enough.

Even I was not hyped with Bobbin until Oda showed that he made his allies sleep with his power? Now I am just curious what kind of power he might have?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Maybe because Jimbe used a stronger attack? "5000 tile justice fist"? Maybe because Jimbe's attacks are stronger?

Sanji just used a basic non DJ kick. DJ is pretty basic for Sanji itself post timeskip.

That was the same attack he used on one of the Demon Guards.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Ch. 856 Liar


Mirror World
- Chopper and the others realize that Sanji has disappeared from inside the castle.
- Nami guesses that both Luffy and Sanji could be at the place that they fought.
- Chopper starts to cry after hearing that Luffy and Sanji fought.
- Jinbe warns that they should hurry and leave soon before the wedding ceremony tomorrow.


Jinbe: "You guys came together with Pekoms, right?"
Chopper: "Is he safe!?"
Jinbe: "To begin with, I should inform you that he is safe. However, that guy got embroiled in a conspiracy and was attempted to be made shark food.


Sweet City
A gunshot can be heard in the rain.


Bobbin: "Damn it... you guys..."

Bobbin falls over

6th floor Baum (I don't know what this word means).
The Vinsmokes are all drinking.
The barmaids are all passed out.
They are celebrating that they have Big Mom's backing due to Sanji.


Town outskirts

- Luffy awakens to the smell of the bento.


Sanji: "If you can eat, eat up."


The bento had been dropped and become soggy due to the rain.
Luffy chows down like its delicious-looking.


Luffy: "Delicioussssss!!
Sanji: "Liar."


Sanji warns Luffy about trying to leave after he finishes the bento.
He tells a resistant Luffy that there are 3 reasons why he can't leave with him:

1. He insulted and wounded his own captain.
2. The people of Baratie's lives are currently taken hostage.
3. The family that shares his blood is currently going to be all killed. He can't run away and leave them to that fate.


After Sanji is finished explaining his feelings and reasoning, Luffy punches him.


Luffy: "TELL ME YOUR TRUE FEELINGS!!!"


A crying Sanji: "I want to... return to the Sunny-Go!!!"


While he's crying, Sanji explains that he wants to save those bastards that he doesn't think of as family.


Luffy: "...OK! That's your decision! We're all here for you! We'll destroy that ceremony!!"


Break next week.


Translation: @Zoro4Prez2016

 

[ArabianLuffy]

..heh!... Now Sanji is like Nami during Arlong Park.

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Oh man, another break..