The eternal rinnegan mystery

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Yet again.. another thread of ¨how do you actually unlock the rinnegan¨

So far the most accurate answer was from Hagoromo who said - 'The only way to unlock the rinnegan is by having both Ashura and Indras chakra thus leading to my own'

So... after indras and ashuras death BZ have been trying to mix their chakra in the hundreds of transmigrants but always failing until the era of Madara and Hashirama.

We all know that when Madara said you need Senjdu and Uchiha dni to unlock the rinnegan that was a false statement because he didnt know that he himself is the transmigrant of Indra and thus making a false statement having himself as a prove to it. (This is why he thought that Obito might awaken it as well)

But then we have that strange encounter between SO6P and Naruto and Sasuke where Sasuke somehow awakened the rinnegan. He was already a transmigrant of Indra so Hagoromo gave him his Ashura part in order to awaken the rinnegan but for Naruto he only strenghened his Ashura part by giving him the six path mode?

It smells like a little plot hole here because if it was explained it could have been prevented but since it was never explained it kinda contradicts what it was said before.

Because of that one could think that someone from the Sarutobi clan for example if he were to have a body surgery where half of his body wouls consist of Naruto or Hashirama cells and the other half of Madara or Sasuke cells (kinda like Obito was but here that person has chakras from both transmigrants) he would awaken the Rinnegan..

Imagine that Asuma with rinnegan. Brrrruh
 
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Only Doujutsu user that represents Yin will awaken Rinnegan
 

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Sasuke got Hashirama's DNA from Kabuto. Naruto didn't get any DNA change, so he can't possibly have the special brain chakra required to produce the Rinnegan.
 

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Well it's not entirely correct because hagormoo and Momoshiki did not mix indra and ashura's chakra to awaken the rinnegan. The key into getting the rinnegan is by luck and their is a reason behind it.

1. Momoshiki has neither indra or ashura to awaken the rinnegan, but has a rinnegan anyway. So there is a few things we can conclude.
-Ootutsuki chakra by chance
-Holy tree gives rinnegan by chance

2. Hagoromoo awakened the rinnegan before the procedure of mixing indra plus ashura, and his brother including mother gained the byukagan (kaguya sharingan) instead of the rinnegan. So the only thing we can conclude from that is.
-Ootutsuki chakra by chance

3. Transmigrants Sasuke and Madara awakened the rinnegan upon mixing indra and ashura resulting in their rinnegan, but they were the only transmigrants capable of doing so while all other transmigrants failed to awaken the rinnegan including Indra who directly inherited his father's chakra. So we can conclude.
-Ootsutsuki chakra by chance
-Indra transmirgants with Hagormoo chakra by chance

Awakening the rinnegan is a mutation through genetic mixing that happens by luck. Ashura transmiragnts being not Indra is unable to awaken the rinnegan but need a different method of chakra mixing can gain Rsm (biju).
So when it comes to the genetic mixing of standard uchiha and senju power/dna, all you're doing is taking hagormoo's yin energy (uchiha) and Hagormoo's yang energy (senju) bring out his chakra. However that does not mean you would automatically awaken Rinnegan. Because there are names of people with hagormoo's chakra and neither of them awakened the rinnegan.

It's by capability and luck, if you clearly have no ocular chakra then of course you are not going to evolve basic eyes to a rinnegan within a snap of your fingers.
 
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It's not that difficult really, Indra's eyes evolve once his and Ashura's chakra mix
 

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I also believe that both sides can unlock the Rinnegan.
 

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I also believe that both sides can unlock the Rinnegan.

Nope, both sides can unlock Rikudou chakra but having that is not what automatically grants Hagoromo's dojutsu.

Only Indra's Sharingan is capable of evolving into Rinnegan, it's why Madara targetted Sasuke when Obito was keeping his eye from him and why Narut never unlocked it despite also having Hagoromo's chakra.
 

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Nope, both sides can unlock Rikudou chakra but having that is not what automatically grants Hagoromo's dojutsu.

Only Indra's Sharingan is capable of evolving into Rinnegan, it's why Madara targetted Sasuke when Obito was keeping his eye from him and why Narut never unlocked it despite also having Hagoromo's chakra.
That really doesn't make sense. If Hashirama got Indra's chakra from Madara, he isn't going to unlock some other kind of power.

The mixing of Indra and Ashura's chakra = Rinnegan.

There's no logical sense for it not to work vice versa.
 

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That really doesn't make sense. If Hashirama got Indra's chakra from Madara, he isn't going to unlock some other kind of power.

The mixing of Indra and Ashura's chakra = Rinnegan.

There's no logical sense for it not to work vice versa.

They should be a reason on why BZ keep pursued Indra's transmigrants and not Ahura's
 

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That really doesn't make sense. If Hashirama got Indra's chakra from Madara, he isn't going to unlock some other kind of power.

The mixing of Indra and Ashura's chakra = Rinnegan.

There's no logical sense for it not to work vice versa.

Indra's chakra is also located in his dojutsu, Sharingan contains the chakra of its user
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Indra's Yin comes from his eye power not his body, if Hashirama implanted Indra's cells instead he would only have Rikudou chakra without unlocking Rinnegan just like JJ Obito, but if he transplanted Madara/Sasuke's eyes their chakras would mix and unlock a new dojutsu just like the EMS process.
 

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Indra's chakra is also located in his dojutsu, Sharingan contains the chakra of its user
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Indra's Yin comes from his eye power not his body, if Hashirama implanted Indra's cells instead he would only have Rikudou chakra without unlocking Rinnegan just like JJ Obito, but if he transplanted Madara/Sasuke's eyes their chakras would mix and unlock a new dojutsu just like the EMS process.
If Indra's chakra is located in the eyes, than they need to steal their eyes to unlock the Rinnegan.

Doesn't change the fact that Ashura's transmigrants can unlock the Rinnegan

They should be a reason on why BZ keep pursued Indra's transmigrants and not Ahura's
BZ said he went after both I think
 

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It seems he trust Uchiha more than Senju to awaken it. He have Madara in his mind and not Hashirama should have it reason.

We still dont know clearly what kind of failures BZ experienced back then. Transmigrants ignored him and his goal can be one of the failure. Senju not suitable can be one of it. No luck etc etc

But when one transmigrant from Uchiha clan who finally managed to awaken it says something.
 

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It seems he trust Uchiha more than Senju to awaken it. He have Madara in his mind and not Hashirama should have it reason.

We still dont know clearly what kind of failures BZ experienced back then. Transmigrants ignored him and his goal can be one of the failure. Senju not suitable can be one of it. No luck etc etc

But when one transmigrant from Uchiha clan who finally managed to awaken it says something.

Black Zetsu preferred the Uchiha because he was able to indirectly manipulate them with the Stone Monument and Indra lost the war so it'd be easy to tempt them into war.

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I also don't think Black Zetsu made contact with any of the reincarnations, like he didn't with Madara until he got the Rinnegan, but that's obviously not confirmed by anything, so you're right about us not knowing exactly what failures he faced.
 

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If Indra's chakra is located in the eyes, than they need to steal their eyes to unlock the Rinnegan.

Doesn't change the fact that Ashura's transmigrants can unlock the Rinnegan


Lol you didn't specify so it sounded like you were saying transplanting cells is enough to unlock it
 

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Black Zetsu preferred the Uchiha because he was able to indirectly manipulate them with the Stone Monument and Indra lost the war so it'd be easy to tempt them into war.

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I also don't think Black Zetsu made contact with any of the reincarnations, like he didn't with Madara until he got the Rinnegan, but that's obviously not confirmed by anything, so you're right about us not knowing exactly what failures he faced.

Rinnegan can only be unlocked in certain conditions.

1. Eyes of Indra incarnate required to evolve

2. Incarnate should be on the verge of death to experience extreme mental and physical stress


BZ failed because transmigrants either

1. died before they could reach their full potential and/or awaken Hagoromo's dojutsu

2. were unable to unlock Rinnegan because they lacked the eyes of an Indra incarnate

3. had a strong will to resist the lust for power
 

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Lol you didn't specify so it sounded like you were saying transplanting cells is enough to unlock it
Nah fam. Whatever it takes.

Gotta get my innegan
 
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