All hell breaking loose tho....

[whiteboy2345]

No, Trump's excuse for it not being a religious ban was explicitly stated to keep terrorists out.

You're also referring to the Syrian refugees. What other countries on the ban list have had massive refugee crisis that caused violence and chaos in Germany and the U.K.? None.

It's already known that Trump has business interests in the countries he didn't ban. Hence, my analogy to Nazi persecution of gays but looking the other way for gay Nazis.

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Yes, it has been proven that terrorists have been using the refugee crisis as a trojan horse. Can you blame Trump for banning countries with an outpour of refugees that are being infiltrated by terrorists.

The countries that his business interests lie with probably have nothing to do with an outpour of refugees, which you can't seem to understand.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes, it has been proven that terrorists have been using the refugee crisis as a trojan horse. Can you blame Trump for banning countries with an outpour of refugees that are being infiltrated by terrorists.

The countries that his business interests lie with probably have nothing to do with an outpour of refugees, which you can't seem to understand.

You're contradicting yourself. You just told me that ban had nothing to do with terrorist acts, but refugee chaos.

The refugee crisis is only from Syria. So why are the other countries banned then?

Why are the countries with the terrorists not banned and coincidentally the countries with Trump's business interests?

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Actually it is since Trump explicitly stated that he would prioritize Christians coming in and not Mulsims.

Trumpanzees showing how much of a monster they've become.

It's not a 'Muslim' ban no matter how you or the media tries to spin it.
It's an executive order that enforces a law that already exists that temporarily blocks incoming traffic from countries registered with high levels of terrorist threat which Obama had listed.

 

[whiteboy2345]

You're contradicting yourself. You just told me that ban had nothing to do with terrorist acts, but refugee chaos.

The refugee crisis is only from Syria. So why are the other countries banned then?

Why are the countries with the terrorists not banned and coincidentally the countries with Trump's business interests?

It was revealed that the people weren't just from Syria but were using the crisis as a means of leaving their countries.

The refugee chaos has included terrorist attacks among other things. Have you been blind the entire summer of 2016?

 

[Lightbringer]

It's not a 'Muslim' ban no matter how you or the media tries to spin it.
It's an executive order that enforces a law that already exists that temporarily blocks incoming traffic from countries registered with high levels of terrorist threat which Obama had listed.

Yet Obama has never implemented the law because it was unconstitutional.

Such acts have been officially deemed unconstitutional as per the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

 

[Lightbringer]

It was revealed that the people weren't just from Syria but were using the crisis as a means of leaving their countries.

The refugee chaos has included terrorist attacks among other things. Have you been blind the entire summer of 2016?

But you just told me that the ban had nothing to do with terrorists, but now you're saying it is....

So if that's the case, then why haven't the countries with terrorist links been banned?

 

[whiteboy2345]

But you just told me that the ban had nothing to do with terrorists, but now you're saying it is....

So if that's the case, then why haven't the countries with terrorist links been banned?

It's not directly linked to terrorism, as in that's not the only problem. You're ignoring the fact that it's multiple problems at once.

The reason as to why the others haven't been banned is because there isn't an outpour of refugees from those countries. In other words, the terrorist organizations are too busy oppressing them for them to even get a chance at leaving.

 

[Lightbringer]

It's not directly linked to terrorism, as in that's not the only problem. You're ignoring the fact that it's multiple problems at once.

The reason as to why the others haven't been banned is because there isn't an outpour of refugees from those countries. In other words, the terrorist organizations are too busy oppressing them for them to even get a chance at leaving.

But there isn't an outpour of refugees in the other countries that were banned, aside from Syria.

And the countries that have terrorist activity going on have not been banned.

 

[whiteboy2345]

But there isn't an outpour of refugees in the other countries that were banned, aside from Syria.

And the countries that have terrorist activity going on have not been banned.

Some refugees are not from Syria. Syria is not the only country affected by infighting. The problem is, the countries with some terrorist activity do not have a strong enough outpour of immigrants to worry about, and their immigrants aren't causing trouble.

If you want the U.S to look like Europe, fine, move to Germany or Sweden if you're so upset about the ban. You'll get to live close-knit with the people we don't want here.

 

[Lightbringer]

Some refugees are not from Syria. Syria is not the only country affected by infighting. The problem is, the countries with some terrorist activity do not have a strong enough outpour of immigrants to worry about, and their immigrants aren't causing trouble.

If you want the U.S to look like Europe, fine, move to Germany or Sweden if you're so upset about the ban. You'll get to live close-knit with the people we don't want here.

You know I know that you're just making stuff up on the fly, right?

The fact is that you can't justify it without contradicting yourself as you just did.

 

[whiteboy2345]

You know I know that you're just making stuff up on the fly, right?

The fact is that you can't justify it without contradicting yourself as you just did.

This situation is not just black and white, as you clearly want it to be. We can't possibly cover any and everything, and terrorism is not the only reason for this ban. Trump's whole reason for doing this from the beginning was in response to the behavior of migrants in Europe during the summer. Terrorism is not the only threat, and we've known that Syria is not the only source of refugees since this whole thing started, hence the reason as to why it's not the only country under the ban list. Get it through your head.

If you were actually a right-winger, you would know how this built-up on our end of the spectrum. If you want these migrants to be allowed in regardless, go to Germany or Sweden and have fun. The statistics and behavior of these migrants are out there to see.

 

[Lightbringer]

This situation is not just black and white, as you clearly want it to be. We can't possibly cover any and everything, and terrorism is not the only reason for this ban. Trump's whole reason for doing this from the beginning was in response to the behavior of migrants in Europe during the summer. Terrorism is not the only threat, and we've known that Syria is not the only source of refugees since this whole thing started, hence the reason as to why it's not the only country under the ban list. Get it through your head.

If you were actually a right-winger, you would know how this built-up on our end of the spectrum. If you want these migrants to be allowed in regardless, go to Germany or Sweden and have fun. The statistics and behavior of these migrants are out there to see.

Now you're putting words into my mouth.

How does banning people with dual-citizenship and greencards from countries with no terrorist-activity figure into your argument?

 

[whiteboy2345]

Now you're putting words into my mouth.

How does banning people with dual-citizenship and greencards from countries with no terrorist-activity figure into your argument?

People with greencards are not banned, read the fine lines. Do you think his administration is that stupid and didn't think of this ahead of time?

The ban is meant to stop people who are already there. Welcome to the real world, welcome to real politics where decisions that seem cruel as hell are made. Obama banned Iraqi's for 6 months and no one said a damn word, so I'm really sick of this virtue signalling and complaining coming from you left-wingers who are all of sudden so into politics now that Trump is in power. Give me a break.

 

[Lightbringer]

People with greencards are not banned, read the fine lines. Do you think his administration is that stupid and didn't think of this ahead of time?

The ban is meant to stop people who are already there. Welcome to the real world, welcome to real politics where decisions that seem cruel as hell are made. Obama banned Iraqi's for 6 months and no one said a damn word, so I'm really sick of this virtue signalling and complaining coming from you left-wingers who are all of sudden so into politics now that Trump is in power. Give me a break.

Except people with green cards were detained for an entire night.

I don't really know what other facts I can present to you?

I already showed you that Trump has business interests in the countries that aren't banned.

The countries that haven't had a single terrorist attack against the U.S. in more than two decades are banned.

The countries with major terrorist links aren't banned.



I'm honestly surprised you're still trying to argue this, especially since you've been contradicting yourself this entire time and the follow-up excuses don't make much sense nor has it been officially stated.

You're just making things up to fit your narrative.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Except people with green cards were detained for an entire night.

I don't really know what other facts I can present to you?

I already showed you that Trump has business interests in the countries that aren't banned.

The countries that haven't had a single terrorist attack against the U.S. in more than two decades are banned.

The countries with major terrorist links aren't banned.



I'm honestly surprised you're still trying to argue this, especially since you've been contradicting yourself this entire time and the follow-up excuses don't make much sense nor has it been officially stated.

You're just making things up to fit your narrative.

I haven't been making things up. This ban is not solely based on terrorist links, no matter how the media may paint it or even the administration itself. Trump doesn't have time to explain the specifics, as in the brutal rapes and child molestation's that refugees have been behind in Europe, and if he did the entire country as usual would be duped and swayed by the media, and Trump can't afford any more set-backs.

I'm not making things fit my narrative, as these things have already been in the news and floating around since the summer of 2016. Just because I never said it at first, doesn't mean it wasn't true from the beginning. Added information doesn't make previous information false or contradictory.

The people with the green cards were stopped because they were trying to travel back to their home countries which we aren't allowing due to the ban.

 

[Avani]

Except people with green cards were detained for an entire night.

I don't really know what other facts I can present to you?

I already showed you that Trump has business interests in the countries that aren't banned.

The countries that haven't had a single terrorist attack against the U.S. in more than two decades are banned.

The countries with major terrorist links aren't banned.



I'm honestly surprised you're still trying to argue this, especially since you've been contradicting yourself this entire time and the follow-up excuses don't make much sense nor has it been officially stated.

You're just making things up to fit your narrative.

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On another note:
Discussions over trump news are starting to look like Naruto vs Sasuke arguments ....

 

[Lightbringer]

I haven't been making things up. This ban is not solely based on terrorist links, no matter how the media may paint it or even the administration itself. Trump doesn't have time to explain the specifics, as in the brutal rapes and child molestation's that refugees have been behind in Europe, and if he did the entire country as usual would be duped and swayed by the media, and Trump can't afford any more set-backs.

I'm not making things fit my narrative, as these things have already been in the news and floating around since the summer of 2016. Just because I never said it at first, doesn't mean it wasn't true from the beginning. Added information doesn't make previous information false or contradictory.

The people with the green cards were stopped because they were trying to travel back to their home countries which we aren't allowing due to the ban.

Media was saying the ban was based on Islamaphobia. The Trump excuse that it was based on terrorism.

You made everything else up about the reasoning behind Trump's muslim ban.

And again, refugees are from Syria. No other country banned has major refugees crisis nor are they mingling with Syrian refugees. So you're argument falls flat.

 

[Lightbringer]

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On another note:
Discussions over trump news are starting to look like Naruto vs Sasuke arguments ....

There were conflicting reports within the Trump administration about the green card ban. But we know for a fact that green card holders were affected regardless as many were in fact detained.

I wouldn't compare it to Naruto vs Sasuke as those threads were based on opinion of fictional characters. This is more like a flat earther denying the world is round.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The vote for Jeff Sessions confirmation as Attorney General is tomorrow, so there's a chance of that being awful.

So what's your opinion of Neil Gorsuch?

 

[Lightbringer]

So what's your opinion of Neil Gorsuch?

Don't know enough about him to comment.