[VS] Sabo vs rob lucci cp0
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No I brought up some minor points about how the character has been matched up and how the character has been portrayed in those match ups. There was nothing there that could be directly compared between the two fighters but rather how the author made the character appear in similar situations. He made luffy appear outclassed and sabo has rekt an opponent of similar rank to opponents luffy has struggled with and has stalemated an opponent luffy was outclassed by. Portrayal here puts sabo above luffy.
Sad thing is we haven't seen Sabo use 50% of his power on screen(notmera meta) we have seen every drop of Luffy strength and going all out he can't be strong people without help. It's not fair to compare the two right now
Sabo didn't have a better showing and I literally explained why in my first post, you say Sabo had a better showing, but you're not showing me HOW.
Sabo hasnt done shit but yet he's put above guys like Doflamingo, G4 Luffy, Cracker, and Vista for what exactly?
Fuji didn't take him serious at all, just like he didn't take Luffy seriously. Neither Luffy or Sabo went all out against Fuji either.
It may be his fighting style but it doesn't take away the fact that no one so far has been able to go head to head with Luffy in that form.
I can't take this post seriously at all. Cracker was laughing off boundman, you can make all the excuses you want.
Luffy took 11 hours to beat an essentially DFless Yonkou's 3rd strongest lmfao.
Lol Cracker couldn't even use his DF and Luffy still took 11 hours to do something about it.
Oda this Oda that, stop separating G4 from Luffy like it's a separate being, his time limit in G4 is what makes up Luffy, blatantly ignoring his weaknesses while ignoring how much of a disadvantage Cracker was put in against Luffy reeks of fanboyism.
Cracker had the upper hand on G4 Boundman last we saw, at this rate even if G4 could be extended to G2 levels it's still not enough to place him in the top tier if a Yonkou's 3rd was easily competing with it without handicaps.
Laughing it off... I guess that's easy to do when your hiding behind a shit ton of clones, you make it seem like he was overpowering the form and doing significant damage. That cut on his arm was superficial damage at best, theres a reason why his ass didn't go head to head with G4.
Fanfic.net, Cracker used his DF the entire time for 11 hours straight and still couldn't kill a Luffy who was running away and wasn't even using G4.
So are you agreeing that if Luffy could use G4 for a much longer duration, say as long as G2 he would be stronger than a Yonkos third, because that's pretty much my point.
He had a upper hand on the time limit that's it, as soon as it runs out he has a chance of winning, but when its on he gets 1 shot. Running away and or hiding from G4 is not competing with it, its just stalling nothing more.
Lol what the? "He was using his DF, his power so it doesn't count." You sound like a true blue fanboy right now, its gross.
Sure but when Luffy was using G4 and when Cracker actually had his DF, not some soggy biscuits for Luffy to feed on, he had the upper hand not Luffy.
Stronger than a Yonkou's third possibly but G4 itself was being dealt with by Cracker before his DF got taken from him. So he wouldn't be a tier above or anything, he would still not be a true blue top tier. Someone like an Admiral would still whoop his ass, atleast that's what we can take from the Cracker fight.
Yet Cracker was facing it head on, using his clones as defense and himself to attack.
Take off your fanboy goggles and read the manga.
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You didn't explain SHIIIT. You brought up Luffy's bruising Fuji which is funny because one, Luffy didn't bruise him it was shading while two, Luffy caught Fuji off guard. Secondly you mention him taking a FT despite being injured...........FT deals blunt damage, Luffy has a high resistance to blunt damage and Fuji can cost his gravity waves with haki. Showing you how? Sabo survived a whole prolonged fight with Fuji and the end results weeee some scuffs, Luffy fights Fuji for 5 minutes S d gets blown back the only two times Fuji takes the offensive......LMAO
SABO STALEMATED AN ADMIRAL OFF SCREEN. It's funny you say Vista when Vista's hype comes from stalling Mihawk, something similar to what Sabo did. On top of the fact he's Dragon's right hand and he shitted on Burgess.
Fuji dropped meteors on Sabo off the bat and use his powers throughout the fight, sure Fuji wasn't going all out but he was serious to a degree.
Cracker went head to head with Luffy for 11 hours stop it, you want Cracker to essentially abandon his fighting style to get into a man to man brawl with Luffy LMAO.
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Shanks did stop Akainu's lava Punch which made holes in WSM's body
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and his casual attacks wit WB made cloud/heaven split
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Shading? LOL you either need ****ing glasses or you need to reread, its NOT shading. Caught him off guard? GO BACK AND REREAD. Fuji blocked the damn attack and STILL was bruised. So having resistance to blunt damage is suppose to be some knock on Luffy? The double standards you guys use against Luffy is ridiculous. Luffy took a point blank FT that's why he got blown away, if you reread before saying stupid shit you would know Sabo wasn't even close to FT when he got hit. Lufy was also fighting Fuji while INJURED and not even going close to all out.
Fuji had no intentions of fighting seriously with anyone on DR, so even Doflamingo would have been able to do what Sabo did. Hell Fuji would have made everyone look on par with him because he wasn't serious, not even close why in the hell don't you guys get this?
Cracker didn't go head to head with G4 for 11 hours, he hid behind his clones and still couldn't defeat a base Luffy who was eating his biscuits and to make things worse he never turned off the fruit to deal with Nami, who I admit was hard countering him.
Its amazing how you just...smh. Its amazing how you downplay what Luffy did but overblow the hell out of what Cracker actually accomplished in that battle. His ass got 1 shot when he knew he couldn't rely on his clones.
Do you not realize that Luffy was fighting a guy he knew nothing about? Luffy was fighting a guy who abilities he wasn't familiar with. That's literally the only reason why Cracker had the upper hand initially, that's the case every time when you fight someone with tricky abilities. That doesn't at all mean that over a good portion of the fight he will continue to have the upper hand, so that whole stalemate G4 shit is way overblown. But you knew that, you just weren't going to be objective you were just going to wank Cracker and downplay every thing Luffy does, just like a true hater would.
Again you are using fanboy goggles. Stop being a damn hypocrite, looking at factors for one character and ignoring them for another character.
G4 is a huge power boost which came out of absolutely nowhere from Cracker's eyes. In one moment Luffy couldn't put a scratch on his clone, and then another moment he busts out this mode where he can break his shields in one hit.
Was Cracker informed about such a jump in power? What intel did he have on G4? First time Cracker experienced it.
Remember how Doflamingo was caught offguard the first time Luffy used G4, that's what a sudden power surge is supposed to do, its supposed to give the person using it a clear advantage until the other character can get used to it, yet Cracker made it look ordinary.
Stop using tunnel vision when it comes to Luffy.
The point was that no one questions shanks strength due to his position as yonko (Those two scans are very minimal evidence of his strength). Yet people are sitting here doubting sabos strength with his position as chief of staff of the revolutionary army. And he had better showing against fujitora and against a yonko commander. There is an extreme amount of illogic happening in this thread to justify G4 being > Sabo despite its huge time limit weakness. Luffy might stand above sabo once that issue is handled, but for now, G4 is to risky to win without backup for when the time limit fails. Both times luffy has used it he ended up needing someone to help him.
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1. Second in command of the Revolutionary Army has NEVER received the same amount of hype as a Yonko, so the whole "No one doubts his strength and positioning" doesn't apply to Sabo's position. Whatsoever.
2. No one doubts Sabo's strength because he DOES have feats that put him over someone like Luffy, in addition to hype. Sabo does not.
3. Sabo didn't have a better showing at all. He didn't land a single mark on Fujitora, while an injured Luffy was able to land a bruise without using Bounceman or Tankman. Even though Luffy was thrown aside by Fujitora and in all likelihood wouldn't be able to defeat him, he did put up a better showing than Sabo did.
4. You have no basis of comparison between Burgess and Cracker. For all you know, Cracker would whoop Burgess too, so the "commander" argument carries little to no basis.
5. There's no evidence Sabo would be able to withstand a G4 assault
1. The point was that sabo holds a very high ranking position of a feared military force. In fact, he is second to the most wanted man in the world. There is some pretty good hype there.
2. Im going to assume you meant shanks in the first sentence. Shanks has no feats that put him above luffy. Him stopping akainu has very little meaning as you have so so many times yourself in akinu vs shanks threads. And his clash with Wb has little meaning becuase luffy has a town sized attack now. Splitting the sky doesnt mean much anymore. And him fighting with mihawk means little in the here and now because we dont know how much each of them has grown since then.
3. Sabo stalemated fuji. Luffy had to be carried off. Your earlier scan means nothing.
4. There is a basis. It's his rank. You can argue this one all you want but you will be wrong. BB and his 8 other crew members managed to hold whitebeards territories and defeat marcos revenge alliance. I dont think shryuu did all that himself... This is a yonko crew. Yonko have a lot of hype and so does EVERY SINGLE ONE of their commanders. Look at Jack, Cracker, Marco, Jozu, Vista, Smoothie. Why in the hell should burgess be an exception. Dont ignore the precedent set here. Burgess follows this rule until further notice.
5. Sabo is a haki monster with a logia fruit. There is no evidence he wouldnt.
Yes shading, that's why the bruise is there one panel and gone the next. Yes Fuji was caught off guard, the '!!!?' wasn't for decoration, while you can be caught off guard and still react to something. Yes it is a knock on Luffy, you're acting like he tanked an attack but he was just that damn durable when the attack had on effect on him. I read the fight you moron, Sabo and Fuji were 10-15M away from eachother at best you ****ing idiot, the power of Fuji's attack isn't dropping at that range, this is the same guy who's gravity can pull meteors from the atmosphere and you think 10-15M is making his attack weaker?
Fuji dropped meteors on Sabo off that bat and you're acting like he was casual, Fuji was prepared to seriously go after Luffy at one point but he had conflicting emotions stop that, don't go and baselessly say Mingo would stalemate Fuji the same way Sabo did. All you're spouting is dribble, Fuji would make everyone look on par with him? Because Zoro sure as hell didn't.
Cracker didn't beat Luffy exclusively due to Nami, Cracker is a coward but he would've won if him and Luffy fought one on one.
What happened to Cracker wit both his clowns is irrelevant but the BRUNT of Cracker's power comes from his DF.
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But that rank itself has never been hyped like a Yonko status, so you can't compare them whatsoever.
I have never said that Akainu and Shanks clashing has little meaning. The fact that his sword was able to counteract the heat of the magma is a feat.
Luffy having a town sized attack doesn't mean that Luffy can clash with Whitebeard like Shanks did.
Shanks also has the hype of Teach, while strong enough to fight Sengoku and Garp and injure Sengoku, said he wasn't ready for Shanks, the same hype that Akainu got.
That's not what Luffy said.
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Luffy was able to send Fujitora flying backwards with Gear Second and Gear Third, a feat Sabo never demonstrated. Luffy was carried off because of a SCHEDULE, not because they thought he couldn't beat Fujitora.
You can't give a feat accomplished through the joint effort of the entire crew to Burgess. All you know is he more than likely played a role in defeating the remaining Whitebeard Pirates, but you have no idea how big a role he was able to play. You keep bringing up inconclusive "feats." Just because two people have the same rank of commander doesn't mean they're the same strength.
5. Sabo is a haki monster with a logia fruit. There is no evidence he wouldnt.[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of reasons that "!!!?" could be there fam