About Toneri's moon cutter

[Uchihakil]

This is a theory of mine so we can actually gauge how strong it is among the demi god/god tiers in naruto, people tend to be under the assumption that it soloes the likes of juubito, i think not because of the reason stated below;

- the golden wheel reincarnation is a technique that uses the tsb ( and we know the tsb is similar to jinton cuz it atomizes anything it comes in contact with) so i think the beam being formed from tsb has that property and disintegrated the part of the moon it made contact with thereby splitting it in half.

That been said, any rikudou enhanced character with good defence against tsb can no sell the attack the same way naruto did (juubito aswell)

And lastly any atomize the whole moon that it was a feat less than moon level is mistaken, whether or not the moon was hollow or full, tsb would disintegrate the part that makes contact with it (in otherwords tsb beam)

And this is not a matchup. What do you guyz think?

 

[Nagi]

dormammu, I've come to bargain!

 

[Ansatsuken]

Yes Toneri is moon level the size of Texas.

 

[NextGenNinja]

It had a very impressive range, but pound per pound it seemed weak..

 

[Uchihakil]

It had a very impressive range, but pound per pound it seemed weak..

Naruto no sold it cuz he can touch tsb, i think it can bisect SS that tanked bijuu dama and what not cuz SS does'nt have the rikudou chakra to defend against it, thats why rikudou enhanced characters are a tier above non rikudou enhanced characters IMO

 

[Ansatsuken]

Thinking that Naruto in base can tank this kind of attack makes me wonder does Naruto have a durability of a celestial body? or it was a shit writing on the part of SP?

Be it hollow or not, the ability to cut something that massive effortlessly needs huge amount of power many times higher than PS cutting power.

If PS have the same power to cut a moon, Sasuke surely will fly toward to destroy it and at the same time put an end to IT but Sasuke knew he couldnt muster enough power from his PS to do that.

 

[Uchihakil]

Thinking that Naruto in base can tank this kind of attack makes me wonder does Naruto have a durability of a celestial body? or it was a shit writing on the part of SP?

Be it hollow or not, the ability to cut something that massive effortlessly needs huge amount of power many times higher than PS cutting power.

If PS have the same power to cut a moon, Sasuke surely will fly toward to destroy it and at the same time put an end to IT but Sasuke knew he couldnt muster enough power from his PS to do that.

He did'nt tank it in base, the body part of naruto that made contact was with a chakra shroud, and its as i said, it was a disintegration technique unlike PS thats a straight up slicing attack with high AOE

 

[Ansatsuken]

He did'nt tank it in base, the body part of naruto that made contact was with a chakra shroud, and its as i said, it was a disintegration technique unlike PS thats a straight up slicing attack with high AOE

Ok, but still tanking something that powerful in human chakra form and survive doesnt make sense when Naruto need to bring out BM to fight PS, tanking every PS sword's attacks by using Kurama chakra shroud/avatar. If he can tank Toneri's attack in human form, its illogical for him to need the Bijuu Mode to fight PS.

 

[Uchihakil]

Ok, but still tanking something that powerful in human chakra form and survive doesnt make sense when Naruto need to bring out BM to fight PS, tanking every PS sword's attacks by using Kurama chakra shroud/avatar. If he can tank Toneri's attack in human form, its illogical for him to need the Bijuu Mode to fight PS.

Thats why i said its all thanks to rikudou chakra which enabled him to no sell the attack like he no sold tsb ball in base against madara, but characters with no rikudou chakra would get disintegrated, ya get me now

 

[Ansatsuken]

Thats why i said its all thanks to rikudou chakra which enabled him to no sell the attack like he no sold tsb ball in base against madara, but characters with no rikudou chakra would get disintegrated, ya get me now

Do you think Naruto in KCM and not Avatar like in the Last can tank PS sword attack?

 

[NextGenNinja]

Naruto no sold it cuz he can touch tsb, i think it can bisect SS that tanked bijuu dama and what not cuz SS does'nt have the rikudou chakra to defend against it, thats why rikudou enhanced characters are a tier above non rikudou enhanced characters IMO

It has senjutsu coursing through it though. Besides, the wood buddha should have greater durability than moon rocks. Toneri probably could cut it but it shouldn't be that easy.

 

[Uchihakil]

Do you think Naruto in KCM and not Avatar like in the Last can tank PS sword attack?

Nope he can't which further proves my point, the two attacks are different
> one is caused by shear power (ps)
> the other disintegrates what it touches (with the exception of characters with rikudou chakra, naruto that is)

 

[Uchihakil]

It has senjutsu coursing through it though. Besides, the wood buddha should have greater durability than moon rocks. Toneri probably could cut it but it shouldn't be that easy.

> an attack that disintegrates its target does'nt give much f*@ks bout durability (it can only be neutralised with characters with rikudou chakra)

 

[Ansatsuken]

Nope he can't which further proves my point, the two attacks are different
> one is caused by shear power (ps)
> the other disintegrates what it touches (with the exception of characters with rikudou chakra, naruto that is)

Why someone who have the ability to counter disintegration couldnt tank PS attack? TSB is the highest of power in NV and if PS sword tries to cut TSB it would never break it as PS not having any Senjutsu a weaknesses of TSB.

You bring to this discussion about Naruto kicking TSB but that TSB although in attacking mode, it still not totally in offensive form. What I mean by offensive form is when TSB is in the shape of Nunobuko Sword, Golden Wheel or Massive TSB.

By having Six Path Senjutsu inside his body alone still not enough for Naruto to generate specific durability to tank other Six Path Senjutsu attack bcus of this example:

1. Madara vs Guy

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-Guy without Senjutsu have enough power to wreck JJ Madara.

2. Obito vs Senjutsu Rasengan

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-If you think by having Senjutsu makes you immune to any Senjutsu attack, I'm afraid you're being proven wrong here. JJ Obito still receive some damage from Senjutsu Rasengan.

Which mean without using TSB for a shielding, The body of Six Path Senjutsu user can be damage by other Six Path Senjutsu attack.

Yes I agree attack base on shear raw power can put a damage on the body of Six Path Senjutsu user, proven by JJ Madara

But you failed to look at what happen to JJ Obito.

Body of SP Senjutsu users be it JJ or Naruto wouldnt be as durable as TSB

It leads me to conclude that what actually happen between The Last's Naruto and Toneri was a shitty writing from SP

 

[Uchihakil]

Why someone who have the ability to counter disintegration couldnt tank PS attack? TSB is the highest of power in NV and if PS sword tries to cut TSB it would never break it as PS not having any Senjutsu a weaknesses of TSB.

You bring to this discussion about Naruto kicking TSB but that TSB although in attacking mode, it still not totally in offensive form. What I mean by offensive form is when TSB is in the shape of Nunobuko Sword, Golden Wheel or Massive TSB.

By having Six Path Senjutsu inside his body alone still not enough for Naruto to generate specific durability to tank other Six Path Senjutsu attack bcus of this example:

1. Madara vs Guy

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-Guy without Senjutsu have enough power to wreck JJ Madara.

2. Obito vs Senjutsu Rasengan

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-If you think by having Senjutsu makes you immune to any Senjutsu attack, I'm afraid you're being proven wrong here. JJ Obito still receive some damage from Senjutsu Rasengan.

Which mean without using TSB for a shielding, The body of Six Path Senjutsu user can be damage by other Six Path Senjutsu attack.

Yes I agree attack base on shear raw power can put a damage on the body of Six Path Senjutsu user, proven by JJ Madara

But you failed to look at what happen to JJ Obito.

Body of SP Senjutsu users be it JJ or Naruto wouldnt be as durable as TSB

It leads me to conclude that what actually happen between The Last's Naruto and Toneri was a shitty writing from SP

The thing is though, if any character like say tobirama was to come in contact with the goudodama, it would have disintegrated him (that was why madara was shocked that naruto kicked the tsb. Inbe4 minato touched it, tsb is solid unlike jinton, so upon contact minato teleported it elsewhere and removed his kage coat. And minato continuously warned them not to touch it.So any none rikudou enhanced character that touches it will be disintegrated (the part making contact that is).

> the beam was made up of tsb which has a property of atomizing stuff
> naruto (a rikudou enhanced character no sold it because the disintegration property can be nullified by rikudou enhanced characters) any rikudou enhanced character can touch a tsb without getting atomized
> which was why the primary effect of the tsb (disintegration) was'nt as effective against naruto because naruto has the nullification power. Ya dig?

 

[Ansatsuken]

The thing is though, if any character like say tobirama was to come in contact with the goudodama, it would have disintegrated him (that was why madara was shocked that naruto kicked the tsb. Inbe4 minato touched it, tsb is solid unlike jinton, so upon contact minato teleported it elsewhere and removed his kage coat. And minato continuously warned them not to touch it.So any none rikudou enhanced character that touches it will be disintegrated (the part making contact that is).

> the beam was made up of tsb which has a property of atomizing stuff
> naruto (a rikudou enhanced character no sold it because the disintegration property can be nullified by rikudou enhanced characters) any rikudou enhanced character can touch a tsb without getting atomized
> which was why the primary effect of the tsb (disintegration) was'nt as effective against naruto because naruto has the nullification power. Ya dig?

You just focusing on disintegration when I bring you a food for thought and help expand your view about this matter.

Even if TSB Disintegration property nulled by Six Path Senjutsu, Golden Wheel still pack high amount of Senjutsu to damage Naruto body.

Golden wheel not just a TSB in the form blade/sword that carry disintegration property, it also a focus attack that holds tremendous force and high cutting power.

Your idea here is that Golden Wheel only applied Disintegration power without any cutting force. I dont think so. But the sword is too sharp it cuts the moon like a batter.

With Disintegration power not working, this sword still can damage Naruto's body by force of cutting alone.

I unable to see logical reason on how Naruto was able to tank it other than shitty writing.

 

[Uchihakil]

You just focusing on disintegration when I bring you a food for thought and help expand your view about this matter.

Even if TSB Disintegration property nulled by Six Path Senjutsu, Golden Wheel still pack high amount of Senjutsu to damage Naruto body.

Golden wheel not just a TSB in the form blade/sword that carry disintegration property, it also a focus attack that holds tremendous force and high cutting power.

Your idea here is that Golden Wheel only applied Disintegration power without any cutting force. I dont think so. But the sword is too sharp it cuts the moon like a batter.

With Disintegration power not working, this sword still can damage Naruto's body by force of cutting alone.

I unable to see logical reason on how Naruto was able to tank it other than shitty writing.

I get what you mean, thats why i said characters with rikudou chakra and with good DEFENCE like PS/tsb would defend against it, not just rikudou chakra. Not denying the fact that it still carries power behind it

 

[Ansatsuken]

I get what you mean, thats why i said characters with rikudou chakra and with good DEFENCE like PS/tsb would defend against it, not just rikudou chakra. Not denying the fact that it still carries power behind it

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Even this fodder sword can pierce Naruto's SPS body guard or unguarded.

 

[Uchihakil]

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Even this fodder sword can pierce Naruto's SPS body guard or unguarded.

thats a low end showing, even a fodder laser can penetrate super saiyan blue goku (does'nt mean jack shit)

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I hope nobody believed that naruto took a direct hit from that moon cutting attack.