About Toneri's moon cutter

[Uchihakil]

I hope nobody believed that naruto took a direct hit from that moon cutting attack.

oh yess he did with a cloak that is, but if you mean direct hit without a cloak no he did'nt

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

oh yess he did with a cloak that is, but if you mean direct hit without a cloak no he did'nt

Naruto would die if he did, and the attack would've sent him out in orbit.
He dodged that attack

 

[Uchihakil]

Naruto would die if he did, and the attack would've sent him out in orbit.
He dodged that attack

well he did'nt and we later saw him overpowering it or did you stop watching the movie after he was swatted away? You must be the only one with that assumption

 

[NextGenNinja]

> an attack that disintegrates its target does'nt give much f*@ks bout durability (it can only be neutralised with characters with rikudou chakra)

TSB can't negate or disintegrate senjutsu based stuff, remember?

 

[UnknownJin]

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[Ansatsuken]

thats a low end showing, even a fodder laser can penetrate super saiyan blue goku (does'nt mean jack shit)

It means a shitty writing for both part of the series. And that will question the legitimacy of the said feats.

'Low end showing' is not strong reason to said Naruto have a durability to tank something powerful in one show(against Toneri) and magically lost it in other show(against Shin). There is no reason to suggest Naruto in chakra cloak have different body durability depends on the situation nor it suggesting that Naruto had lowering his body durability.

Other than shitty writing/illogical writing

 

[Uchihakil]

TSB can't negate or disintegrate senjutsu based stuff, remember?

- yea that is why naruto tanked the attack without getting disintegrated

And no omyoutun negates attacks, but does'nt negate senjutsu, while tsb disintegrates attacks when in contact, even SM hashi can't touch tsb cuz it disintegrates, and not even bsm naruto came in contact with it (which was why madara was shocked when naruto kicked the goudodama)

Basically tsb =/= omyoutun (another example is, juubito used tsb to disintegrate hiruzen but did'nt use omyoutun, cuz if he did hiruzen would'nt have healed)

 

[Uchihakil]

It means a shitty writing for both part of the series. And that will question the legitimacy of the said feats.

'Low end showing' is not strong reason to said Naruto have a durability to tank something powerful in one show(against Toneri) and magically lost it in other show(against Shin). There is no reason to suggest Naruto in chakra cloak have different body durability depends on the situation nor it suggesting that Naruto had lowering his body durability.

Other than shitty writing/illogical writing

No shounen manga with over 500 pages is 100% consistant, i dont think there is any manga thats perfect, stuff like that happen across verses, just gave you an example, you can call it shitty writing or whatever you want but you can't disprove the feat like that cuz
> one is with his guard down
> the other is with all his chakra focused on his hand (and at the same time have immunity to a certain degree the disintegrating part of the technique and countered it)
> its not like he was'nt doing crazy shit like fighting a planet buster, so no selling a moon slicer does'nt make the feat an outlier

 

[Ansatsuken]

No shounen manga with over 500 pages is 100% consistant, i dont think there is any manga thats perfect, stuff like that happen across verses, just gave you an example, you can call it shitty writing or whatever you want but you can't disprove the feat like that cuz
> one is with his guard down
> the other is with all his chakra focused on his hand (and at the same time have immunity to a certain degree the disintegrating part of the technique and countered it)
> its not like he was'nt doing crazy shit like fighting a planet buster, so no selling a moon slicer does'nt make the feat an outlier

More excuses coming out from you and now you want me to prove something. OK

And The Last is not manga but came out as a movie that later on Kishi put it as chapter 699.5.

If you really a highly educated person hear me this time

First I'm not looking for inconsistency/consistency but logic. Why I need to accept that event as being logical and not being done for the sake of 'Naruto need to be alive'

Logical explanation from me:-

> one is with his guard down

You know after many years Naruto have trained his body(SM etc) and receiving big time power up from Hagoromo, he still experienced this kind of drawback???

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When he already undergo body durability upgrade from this session.

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People(in fiction) practicing/doing a work out for his body to enhance their body performance and toughness/durability. Starting from low level of durability, they achive high level of durability in one point of time after all years of training/work out. When the level of durability is increasing, any weakness their body suffered previously will no longer exist.

Example:

- Previously your body can easily be pierce by sword stab but after undergoing body durability training, your body no longer can be pierce by simple sword stab that carries little force.

Even when someone is in the state of guard down/ease their body, their level of body durability is accordance to the level of their current self in which I think in Naruto case is very very high. Plus he was in Chakra mode. Without enhacing body durability, standard durability they achived should be able to cope with force that lower than his body durability level.

Simple sword stab without much force cant easily pierce Rikudou KCM Naruto giving the level of durability(standard) he have. Mean without enhancing the level of durability using chakra, his standard body durability at that time should be able to prevent the sword from piercing him.

He survive falls from higher place. Its un-logical his body can easily be pierce.

For you entertainment/reference:-

[video=youtube;gTDnmBWut4g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDnmBWut4g[/video]

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> the other is with all his chakra focused on his hand (and at the same time have immunity to a certain degree the disintegrating part of the technique and countered it)

Still with your 'disintegration immunity'. I dont want to call a BS on that part of yours although your logic that Toneri's TSB should carry the same property as Six Path Senjutsu's TSB is questionable. Toneri's TSB came from Tenseigan that needs Otsutsuki chakra and a Byakugan. Does all Otsutsuki have Six Path Senjutsu I asking you?

Right now I'm touching your logic about that TSB.

And do you think by channeling/focusing a chakra is enough to make KCM Naruto's body durability hundred times higher than the standard body durability of KCM Maruto(not channeling/focusing a chakra)? And allowed him to tank Golden Wheel Incarnation Explosion easily. I call it BS. BS writing.

Given that KCM Naruto easily get pierce by fodder sword help proves this was really a BS writing .

The force produce by Toneri's attack is thousand times higher than fodder sword that stab Rikudou KCM Nartuo. That alone should put a damage on Rikudou KCM Naruto's body where it not happen and I call it illogical.

> its not like he was'nt doing crazy shit like fighting a planet buster, so no selling a moon slicer does'nt make the feat an outlier

What kind of thinking is this. This is how you make a point(for argument purpose). No substance at all. Just a post that wants me to accept a fate, BS.

This is about Naruto survive a Moon cutting attack and when JJ Madara with all Juubi power and heighten body durability still easily getting wreck by Might Guy or Rikudou Sasuke but Naruto who was not a JJ have a body more durable than JJ. Its horseshit. Chakra being channel into certain part of body still wont make such high difference for Naruto here.

Might Guy's night moth or Sasuke's Chidori sword in no way having the same amount of power to Golden Wheel. If those two attacks is agree by many can injures Naruto, There should be no reason on why Golden Wheel failed.

Its all Shitty writing to save Naruto.

 

[NextGenNinja]

- yea that is why naruto tanked the attack without getting disintegrated

And no omyoutun negates attacks, but does'nt negate senjutsu, while tsb disintegrates attacks when in contact, even SM hashi can't touch tsb cuz it disintegrates, and not even bsm naruto came in contact with it (which was why madara was shocked when naruto kicked the goudodama)

Basically tsb =/= omyoutun (another example is, juubito used tsb to disintegrate hiruzen but did'nt use omyoutun, cuz if he did hiruzen would'nt have healed)

According to the fourth datebook TSB automatically have yin & yang In em'. I could look up the translation page for it, if you don't believe me. Didn't a shadow clone tobirama grab a TSB before? :lol

 

[Uchihakil]

According to the fourth datebook TSB automatically have yin & yang In em'. I could look up the translation page for it, if you don't believe me. Didn't a shadow clone tobirama grab a TSB before? :lol

yea never said they dont, it comprises of all elements + yin and yang. Tsb is solid, so contact can be made with it
- like sasuke blocking it with susano arm but still got a hole through it
- or minato using his kunai to clash with it which made contact then disintegrated
- or disintegrated its way through hiruzens fuma shuriken kage bunshin etc

 

[Uchihakil]

More excuses coming out from you and now you want me to prove something. OK

And The Last is not manga but came out as a movie that later on Kishi put it as chapter 699.5.

If you really a highly educated person hear me this time

First I'm not looking for inconsistency/consistency but logic. Why I need to accept that event as being logical and not being done for the sake of 'Naruto need to be alive'

Logical explanation from me:-



You know after many years Naruto have trained his body(SM etc) and receiving big time power up from Hagoromo, he still experienced this kind of drawback???

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When he already undergo body durability upgrade from this session.

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People(in fiction) practicing/doing a work out for his body to enhance their body performance and toughness/durability. Starting from low level of durability, they achive high level of durability in one point of time after all years of training/work out. When the level of durability is increasing, any weakness their body suffered previously will no longer exist.

Example:

- Previously your body can easily be pierce by sword stab but after undergoing body durability training, your body no longer can be pierce by simple sword stab that carries little force.

Even when someone is in the state of guard down/ease their body, their level of body durability is accordance to the level of their current self in which I think in Naruto case is very very high. Plus he was in Chakra mode. Without enhacing body durability, standard durability they achived should be able to cope with force that lower than his body durability level.

Simple sword stab without much force cant easily pierce Rikudou KCM Naruto giving the level of durability(standard) he have. Mean without enhancing the level of durability using chakra, his standard body durability at that time should be able to prevent the sword from piercing him.

He survive falls from higher place. Its un-logical his body can easily be pierce.

For you entertainment/reference:-

[video=youtube;gTDnmBWut4g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDnmBWut4g[/video]

-Skip to 5.20/



Still with your 'disintegration immunity'. I dont want to call a BS on that part of yours although your logic that Toneri's TSB should carry the same property as Six Path Senjutsu's TSB is questionable. Toneri's TSB came from Tenseigan that needs Otsutsuki chakra and a Byakugan. Does all Otsutsuki have Six Path Senjutsu I asking you?

Right now I'm touching your logic about that TSB.

And do you think by channeling/focusing a chakra is enough to make KCM Naruto's body durability hundred times higher than the standard body durability of KCM Maruto(not channeling/focusing a chakra)? And allowed him to tank Golden Wheel Incarnation Explosion easily. I call it BS. BS writing.

Given that KCM Naruto easily get pierce by fodder sword help proves this was really a BS writing .

The force produce by Toneri's attack is thousand times higher than fodder sword that stab Rikudou KCM Nartuo. That alone should put a damage on Rikudou KCM Naruto's body where it not happen and I call it illogical.



What kind of thinking is this. This is how you make a point(for argument purpose). No substance at all. Just a post that wants me to accept a fate, BS.

This is about Naruto survive a Moon cutting attack and when JJ Madara with all Juubi power and heighten body durability still easily getting wreck by Might Guy or Rikudou Sasuke but Naruto who was not a JJ have a body more durable than JJ. Its horseshit. Chakra being channel into certain part of body still wont make such high difference for Naruto here.

Might Guy's night moth or Sasuke's Chidori sword in no way having the same amount of power to Golden Wheel. If those two attacks is agree by many can injures Naruto, There should be no reason on why Golden Wheel failed.

Its all Shitty writing to save Naruto.

As i said, its a low end feat with his guard down like goku against a laser (even though the dude was a universe buster in SSB and still got taken out by a simle laser). fact is naruto has waaay higher durability feats for you to question that feat. Thats about the only feat naruto has thats un impressive, while jn weaker forms
- kcm stopped 3 swords with his cloak
- 4 tails tanked oro's kusanagi

so insisting on that 1 low end feat and putting it against all the other impressive feats is just wrong, its one against alot of other feats, i'll pick the many other feats to that one feat (that naruto was claimed to be rusty and his guard was down)

And bout the tsb part, tsb has been shown to disintegrate things and has been stated by hiruzen and minato that it disintegrates stuff, having rikudou senjutsu has nothing to do with the way tsb works, so i dont know why you brought up the rikudou senjutsu stuff, tsb was said to be similar to jinton (but solid) which disintegrates stuff, thats it

 

[NextGenNinja]

yea never said they dont, it comprises of all elements + yin and yang. Tsb is solid, so contact can be made with it
- like sasuke blocking it with susano arm but still got a hole through it
- or minato using his kunai to clash with it which made contact then disintegrated
- or disintegrated its way through hiruzens fuma shuriken kage bunshin etc

It seem like you didn't think TSB had yin & yang(aka Onmyōton) from the get go. Yeah, i know that. TSB could be touched in some instances, definitely not when it's being used offensively/defensively though.

 

[Uchihakil]

It seem like you didn't think TSB had yin & yang(aka Onmyōton) from the get go. Yeah, i know that. TSB could be touched in some instances, definitely not when it's being used offensively/defensively though.

onmyoton negates jutsu, at first juubito did'nt apply it on hiruzen thus why hiruzen regenerated after being disintegrated, but when juubito applied his to his tsb, and severed minatos arm, minato did'nt regenerate (and tobirama saying that 'it seems juubito posseses omyoutun and then explained what it was) ya dig?

 

[NextGenNinja]

onmyoton negates jutsu, at first juubito did'nt apply it on hiruzen thus why hiruzen regenerated after being disintegrated, but when juubito applied his to his tsb, and severed minatos arm, minato did'nt regenerate (and tobirama saying that 'it seems juubito posseses omyoutun and then explained what it was) ya dig?

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Shadow & light style is another word for yin & yang. We both know TSB is composed of yin & yang, so either the databook messed up or plot no jutsu moment happened.

 

[Ansatsuken]

As i said, its a low end feat with his guard down like goku against a laser (even though the dude was a universe buster in SSB and still got taken out by a simle laser). fact is naruto has waaay higher durability feats for you to question that feat. Thats about the only feat naruto has thats un impressive, while jn weaker forms
- kcm stopped 3 swords with his cloak
- 4 tails tanked oro's kusanagi

so insisting on that 1 low end feat and putting it against all the other impressive feats is just wrong, its one against alot of other feats, i'll pick the many other feats to that one feat (that naruto was claimed to be rusty and his guard was down)

I dont think you know what is 'guard down' and it relation to durability. The meaning of 'guard down' is to relax your defensive posture, which would leave you vulnerable to attack.

Seeing that, it tells you being in guard down state still wont effect your standard durability mean in Naruto case his current durability can prevent Sasuke's sword from piercing him.

You even give me 2 examples here.

- kcm stopped 3 swords with his cloak
- 4 tails tanked oro's kusanagi

That being said it help proves it was a shitty writing abd not bcus Naruto let his guard down or low end feat bcus his low end feat should be "he in KCM stopped 3 swords with his cloak"

For Toneri's attack, it also a shitty writing because if Rikudou Sasuke can slice JJ Madara into two and heavily damage by Might Guy, there is no reason why Naruto who only have Kurama and not even with full Rikudou power like JJ Madara can tank that moon cutter attack. There is no logical reason except a shitty writing bcus Naruto need to be alive.

And bout the tsb part, tsb has been shown to disintegrate things and has been stated by hiruzen and minato that it disintegrates stuff, having rikudou senjutsu has nothing to do with the way tsb works, so i dont know why you brought up the rikudou senjutsu stuff, tsb was said to be similar to jinton (but solid) which disintegrates stuff, thats it

Why I brought up the rikudou senjutsu stuff?

It bcus Uchihakil not a far thinker.

Sure TSB can disintegrates things but Juubi jin and Naruto's TSB exist after they acquired Six Path Senjutsu. This TSB as the fact presented by Manga and Databook holds Disintegration property in the from of Omnyodon and can nullify Ninjutsu Chakra/chakra. I know Rikudou Senjutsu has nothing to do with the way TSB works.

But Toneri's black orb was not a product of Six Path Senjutsu but it was a product of Tenseigan eyes where it form from the combination of Byakugan and Otsutsuki chakra.

I'm asking you "does Byakugan or Otsutsuki chakra contain Six Path Senjutsu?"

If they dont have it means TSB that Toneri used is not similar to TSB of JJ Madara or Naruto.

Two look-alike things cant have similar function if they are a product produce from a different method and materials.

Did databook called Toneri's black orbs a Gudoudama and it similar to Naruto and Juubi jin's black orbs?

 

[Uchihakil]

I dont think you know what is 'guard down' and it relation to durability. The meaning of 'guard down' is to relax your defensive posture, which would leave you vulnerable to attack.

Seeing that, it tells you being in guard down state still wont effect your standard durability mean in Naruto case his current durability can prevent Sasuke's sword from piercing him.

You even give me 2 examples here.



That being said it help proves it was a shitty writing abd not bcus Naruto let his guard down or low end feat bcus his low end feat should be "he in KCM stopped 3 swords with his cloak"

For Toneri's attack, it also a shitty writing because if Rikudou Sasuke can slice JJ Madara into two and heavily damage by Might Guy, there is no reason why Naruto who only have Kurama and not even with full Rikudou power like JJ Madara can tank that moon cutter attack. There is no logical reason except a shitty writing bcus Naruto need to be alive.



Why I brought up the rikudou senjutsu stuff?

It bcus Uchihakil not a far thinker.

Sure TSB can disintegrates things but Juubi jin and Naruto's TSB exist after they acquired Six Path Senjutsu. This TSB as the fact presented by Manga and Databook holds Disintegration property in the from of Omnyodon and can nullify Ninjutsu Chakra/chakra. I know Rikudou Senjutsu has nothing to do with the way TSB works.

But Toneri's black orb was not a product of Six Path Senjutsu but it was a product of Tenseigan eyes where it form from the combination of Byakugan and Otsutsuki chakra.

I'm asking you "does Byakugan or Otsutsuki chakra contain Six Path Senjutsu?"

If they dont have it means TSB that Toneri used is not similar to TSB of JJ Madara or Naruto.

Two look-alike things cant have similar function if they are a product produce from a different method and materials.

Did databook called Toneri's black orbs a Gudoudama and it similar to Naruto and Juubi jin's black orbs?

All tsb's have disinegrating effects like jinton, go read the wiki on tsb and see for yourself, tsb's all function the same way, used as offence as well as defence. lemme just quote the wiki

Truth-Seeking Balls are extremely destructive, capable of turning targets to dust in a similar manner to Dust Release .

and tsb is made up of all elements + yin and yang ( thats what its made up of what gives it its disintegration property) unless you think toneri's does'nt posses all elements or yin and yang, cuz that was a tsb entry for all tsb, the requirement for tsb to be formed. So yea toneri's tsb has that disintegrating effect.

 

[NarutoX28]

Toneri could probably compress a large portion of that energy regardless.

 

[Uchihakil]

keep clinging to a low end feat (its bad writing yea) but that was'nt the consistent feat and thus shall not be considered, i keep giving you the same example of SSB goku who tanked planetary level attacks and was no sold by a laser, yea its shitty writting, but there excuse was his guard was down. So i did'nt come up with that shit, i get your logic that the characters should'nt have gotten hurt when they are already in modes that tanked stronger attacks (which is more logical) but its fiction, somethings dont make much sense, thats why the most consistent feats are taken and the low end feats discarded, ya dig?

 

[Ansatsuken]

All tsb's have disinegrating effects like jinton, go read the wiki on tsb and see for yourself, tsb's all function the same way, used as offence as well as defence. lemme just quote the wiki

Truth-Seeking Balls are extremely destructive, capable of turning targets to dust in a similar manner to Dust Release .

and tsb is made up of all elements + yin and yang ( thats what its made up of what gives it its disintegration property) unless you think toneri's does'nt posses all elements or yin and yang, cuz that was a tsb entry for all tsb, the requirement for tsb to be formed. So yea toneri's tsb has that disintegrating effect.

No I one Toneri fact from Databook as the Last's cast should have entry in Databook.