[Predictions] Naruto Manga 505 Discussion and 506 Predictions

[Joegonzo]

All right, so we don't know. But we do certainly know, that, according to both the manga and the anime, Anko wished the Fourth would have been alive to fight Orochimaru. Who would win, then? "We don't know who would win for sure." You're correct, actually. Everything in your posts is right, it's just that it is difficult to draw conclusions when we have so little to go off of. That's only my opinion.

So you DID listen. lol. You at least have to admit. It does seem like it is implied that Minato would have won. Everyone in the village knew how powerful Minato was. Even people outside of the village knew how powerful he was. There was a freaking flee on command order out on him. That must mean some insane power. I wouldn't doubt if they have the same thing on Naruto in this war. The order would be flee on sight, then tell Sasuke. lol. Sasuke is the only one who has a chance. If they both get space/time justu they probably rape Minato.

Btw, the only reason I take Minato over pretty much anyone is the FTG tech. How do you keep up with THAT? It is a pretty sick tech. That is why I believe only Madara and the 2nd would have a chance right now. No matter how much more talented(and in my opinion only Itachi, Sasuke, and his son have him there), you can't compete with him unless you have a similar tech.

 

[Firass]

Or, even if the Kages refuse to allow Naruto to participate in the war, they will still send him out in the battlefield and watch him annihilate his enemies with the amazing strength he has gotten. My only question is, if Naruto fights Kabuto sometime during the Fourth Shinobi War, how is Naruto going to deal with Kabuto's Edo Tensei summons, since he doesn't have Shiki Fuujin like the Third and Fourth Hokages did? Will he go straight for Kabuto, the master controlling his puppets? It'll be interesting to see.

Are you positive that you need to use Shiki Fuujin to kill them? You couldn't just kill them the old school way i.e. Rasengan? If not, then Edo Tensei is the ultimate jutsu. That would make Kabuto to the ultimate evil, bigger than Madara.

Anyway, I like your discussions alot, but I really dislikes that your a big fan of Madara, not that he's crap or anything, but I don't like the badguys (well i loved Grimmjaw and Ulqiorra in Bleach). But cheering for the badguys will result in hate posts, especially when your stubborn

Anyway, I know that in the end Naruto will beat Madara and Kabuto, dunno if Sasuke will join him or fall in front of him, but Naruto will win and become Hokage - the end

 

[Regulus]

I think it would be very easy for Minato to defeat Oro. Here are the points that take me to that conclusion:
1. Itachi easyly defeated Oro shortly after he left Konoha, Itachi was 12 at that time. I'm not saying that Minato was stronger than Itachi, my point is Oro wasn't invincible. The next point is what will happened to Edo Tensei if the summoner dead?
2. With FTG, Minato should be able to deal with Oro very quickly, and this is just Minato's 1st choice.
3. 2nd choice, how about sending the 1st and the 2nd Hokage somewhere faraway with space/time jutsu. Although against the 2nd Hokage, it would be a space/time jutsu showdown.
4. 3rd choice, how about to neutralized the 1st and the 2nd Hokage using seals. If the Uzumaki clan was so feared for their sealing, I think it's logical if Minato could make a seal that would immobilized them.

Minato was very adept in sealing. When Minato defeated Madara, I believed Minato attached 3 seals in Madara's body.
- 1st seal was the FTG seal, so everywhere Madara go Minato could follow him instantly
- 2nd seal was the most important seal of all and the one that make Madara retreated. It's a seal that make Madara solid, without this seal the other 2 seals were useless if Minato can't touch Madara.
- 3rd seal was the contract cancellation seal to break Madara's contract with the 9 tails. The first 2 seals Minato did at the same time the Rasengan hit.

All Minato has to do is touch the 1st and 2nd and he breaks the seal, then its just him and Oro

 

[donnic]

I'm not worry because knowing how naruto is he's going fight my boy one on one like they were destined to and he made perfectly clear to kakashi that he's fighting sasuke so the question is will naruto be able to handle the power of sasuke uchiha?

ooohh yea he can handle him but really im going to be PIST OFF if this manga ends with naruto and sasuke killing each other bad ending if you ask me and i think it might happen because naruto already said "we will both die together" last time he saw sasuke U_U but i might be wrong (hopefully) however i dont see sasuke just coming back either what do you guys think?

 

[Regulus]

ooohh yea he can handle him but really im going to be PIST OFF if this manga ends with naruto and sasuke killing each other bad ending if you ask me and i think it might happen because naruto already said "we will both die together" last time he saw sasuke U_U but i might be wrong (hopefully) however i dont see sasuke just coming back either what do you guys think?

I think Naruto will be the hero and become Hoakge and Sasuke will die to redeem him self

 

[donnic]

I think Naruto will be the hero and become Hoakge and Sasuke will die to redeem him self

also possible i guess but then i wonder if naruto will accept hokage since "he could not save his friend from dieing" see i think sasuke's body will be taken by madara if you think about it it makes since in a way i mean he is feeling sasuke full of hate had him take the eyes of his brother like madara did, and basically making another body similar to his. however since, as he puts it "a ghost to my former self" he needs two things all the tailed beast to make the ten tails and a new body to make him self a Jinchūriki for his moon eye plan as well to become as powerful once again
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[knealis]

I posted several chapters ago that i thought "that" jutsu might be FTG taken to the next level by naruto. While in sage mode he can sense everything around him so i thought maybe he'd be able to teleport to anything around him without the need for the seals, however, i don't think that this is what he did in the chapter. Naruto hasn't even learned the basics for time-space ninjutsu so i highly doubt that he perfected it without even learning it

seriously classifying extreme speed as teleportation is retarded cause teleportation is supposed to be instantaneous transportation from point A to point B without moving through conventional space and which the distance between points should not matter. basically disappearing from regular space at point A and re-emerging at point B (think "A Wrinkle In Time")

As for Sasuke, everyone (well at least more than a few) people have been saying that Naruto would be OP with FTG, but y can't Sasuke learn Tobi's time-space ninjutsu and his out-of-phase thingy he does so he can't be touched? I mean if he had even just one of those techniques (assuming, possibly naively, that they are two different techniques) he would be a match for Naruto cause all he'd (Sasuke'd) have to do is wait for "the opportune moment" to attack. Regardless i think they'll be almost evenly matched

BTW Great F-ucking Chapter!!!

 

[Regulus]

also possible i guess but then i wonder if naruto will accept hokage since "he could not save his friend from dieing" see i think sasuke's body will be taken by madara if you think about it it makes since in a way i mean he is feeling sasuke full of hate had him take the eyes of his brother like madara did, and basically making another body similar to his. however since, as he puts it "a ghost to my former self" he needs two things all the tailed beast to make the ten tails and a new body to make him self a Jinchūriki for his moon eye plan as well to become as powerful once again
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Well if thats the case, I can see Sasuke regaining control of the body momentarily giving Naruto an opprotune time to strike him down.

 

[Scorps]

I thought she was older, since they were both students of Sannin, so she would understand his capabilities if they were both students under Oro and Jman at the same time, I also think she would know the best person to take down Oro since she was his student

She's more or less the same age as Kakashi. She was a child that orochimaru experimented on slightly before Minato became Hokage. When he became hokage, Orochimaru had already fleed from the village. He fleed the village when the 3rd was hokage. That episode marked the decision of Sarutobi in giving the position to Minato. But yes, she does look older. As does Kakashi and Yamato. They look to be in their 30's, near the 40's. But they're actually 20's.

 

[Mystikk]

I am really eager to see Sasuke's EMS because now that Naruto has gotten so stronger its time for Sasuke. Kabuto is also a twist in the manga and we still have a lot to know about Madara. And what about the Ninja War will there be a time skip actually I want to see how the war happens and hopefully we will see Naruto use FTG just like his father and then every ninja will fear Narutoxd and Sasuke will just keep on using some weird ass powerful techs too making these two the strongest. But the point is what can Madara can if Sasuke exceeds him I know that Madara is using Sasuke but he should also know that Sasuke will ultimately go after him because he also helped in the Uchiha massacre. There has to be a plan which Madara has and that's why he isn't so concerned about Sasuke becoming so powerful.

Yea sasuke's EMS is going to be un-imaginable .. but naruto finally has the 9tails chakra in complete control.. an his will of fire is tottaly perfect! ontop of that, new seals to learn .. and his fathers jutsu's .. this battle will be epic! I want sasuke to kill kabuto.. an naruto to kill zetsu... ninja war is going to be amazing!! madara will end up taking rinnegan an try to kill naruto.... and sasuke will help naruto kill madara at the end of the series.

I really just want to see how big an more cooler naruto's fuuton-rasengan looks, with the fox's chakra.

 

[Alkad]

A few thoughts:

can't wait for naruto to "see" sasuke's hatred. Good job Kishi for letting Naruto see that for himself, and not being convinced by people that "sasuke's not the same sasuke anymore".

These powers felt the same as when he used his frs for the first time. Love it when that happens

Also, Sasuke is not that weak compared to Naruto, whatever abilities he has. Susanoo is a pretty strong shield for anyone except the mizukage, and amaterasu is very hard to get rid of. Also, if Naruto doesn't get the kyubi to cooperate, he stands little chance against genjutsu too. He can be made to win anytime, but the cold war between them will drag on a little more.


The fight between good and bad was taken to the extreme. I expect sasuke to become even more evil, now that naruto is a pure-hearted hate detector

Naruto won't die. Kishimoto knows better than to suddenly kill the hero.

As for the next chapter, I want a cool fight but kisame to escape. There are too few bad guys left after naruto anihilated them one by one.U_U

 

[knealis]

First and foremost Akatsukileader learn some damn grammar christ almighty. My brain f-ing hurts when i have to read ur posts i mean is that how u actually speak cause if it is please get some help. Can people please read through their posts before submitting them to make sure u can actually understand urself?!?!?!

K back to the matters at hand lol.

I think we all understand now that the Hokages require BOTH great strength and an immense love of their country.

Silenceofthelambs It's gotta suck to have everyone throwing u up against the wall cause ur supporting a character u like, but sometimes (as well as minato supporters) u assume too much. And as everyone knows, when u assume u make an ASS-out-of-U-and-ME (capital letters spell assume for those who don't know that saying)

Discussions/predictions cannot exist without assumptions, but many people assume too much, or take their assumptions too a level so far removed from fact.

 

[knealis]

Back at Dr. Lectre lol i think minato might be able to win against Edo Tensei because a seal is used immediately after the summons to bring the souls under the summoners control. If Minato could plant a different seal on them then the technique might end/souls will be free of summoners control. If this is indeed possible, then I believe Minato could've won and therefore Naruto can win against Kabutomaru

 

[silenceofthelambs]

ok then edo tensi. Oro takes his sword of kusinagi and all 3 attack minato uses his amazing speed to stab oro is a mud clone and the 1st uses moko to catch him. Minato uses FTG to escape but the 2nd uses is water tech to try and finish him Minato uses space time barrier to transfer it. He follows the 3rd strategy blows off a piece of the two former kages and at the same time buts up a barrier to exclude them from the fight so their out for now.
He and oro face to face he uses FTG 2 with rasengan and injures Oro then oro just spits out a new oro like he always does. but minato places a seal on him and uses a next rasengan at the same time and to uses a seal to break oro's control over the kage's. No kages oro tries to finish minato off but he appears behind him and finishes but he's not dead (typical oro).

that is a what if scenario whats yours?

I think yours was pretty convincing, so I'll just go ahead and agree that Minato would win. To clarify for everyone, it's not that I'm "anti-Minato" or dislike him as a character, it's that sometimes I wonder whether the fame he received from all the great nations had some hype mixed in there too or not.

What I mean to say is this: Minato was no doubt a genius. He remained calm, collected, and perceptive in battle, and was highly intelligent, being able to deduce things quickly, among other things. But should all the credit go towards him? Kushina taught Minato many seals, ones that probably became the very formula for the Flying Thunder God technique. It is implied because Minato says to Kushina as the two near death that "you made me the Fourth Hokage."

The Flying Thunder God technique was crucial to Konoha winning the war, which allowed Minato to teleport into the line of Iwagakure's forces, and dispatch them all one by one. That was during the Third Shinobi War, and it was because of that Hiruzen chose to have Minato suceed him. But without those fateful seals that he learned from Kushina, which helped Minato develop this extraordinary technique, would he really have been so famous? Yes, he also developed the Rasengan, but the Flying Thunder God technique is so much more well-known.

Nonetheless, I still regard Minato as one of the most gifted Shinobi to ever live. The only reason I thought Madara was victorious back then, sixteen years ago was because of the words Minato said to Naruto in chapter 440 (page 10, to be exact): "back then...he saw through everything I did." It sounded fairly convincing that Minato felt like he couldn't do anything against Madara.

I definitely agree that Madara lost in his fight with Minato, but in my opinion, I don't think it would be right to say that he came away completely emptyhanded from those night's events. Both sides had losses. Sometimes it's hard to tell who really "won," if nobody at all. Still, if anybody feels that I am stubborn and unaccepting of the correct point of view, then please, by all means, speak. These discussions only help us get a better understanding of the story we're reading.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Back at Dr. Lectre lol i think minato might be able to win against Edo Tensei because a seal is used immediately after the summons to bring the souls under the summoners control. If Minato could plant a different seal on them then the technique might end/souls will be free of summoners control. If this is indeed possible, then I believe Minato could've won and therefore Naruto can win against Kabutomaru

That's an interesting theory. Maybe this is the way Naruto defeats Kabuto, along with his summons, without having to use the Shiki Fuujin. But if I'm not mistaken, when Orochimaru fought Hiruzen, didn't he use his own seal to rob the revived of their own free will? Is it possible that Minato, or somebody, has a seal to reverse Orochimaru's, which Kabuto probably possesses (this about Orochimaru's seal)? Naruto has to learn about Edo Tensei, because it's going to be a dangerous technique to everyone during this war. Perhaps on Mount Myoboku (or in the scroll Naruto stole in chapter one), there is more detailed information on this forbidden technique.

 

[maldoror]

Are you positive that you need to use Shiki Fuujin to kill them? You couldn't just kill them the old school way i.e. Rasengan? If not, then Edo Tensei is the ultimate jutsu. That would make Kabuto to the ultimate evil, bigger than Madara.

You definetly can't kill them in old school ways, and very unlikely with rasengan. They simply regenerate as we have seen when orochimaru was fighting the 3rd. Shiki Fujin is a way to kill them, but may not be the only way.

"The revived are impossible to kill by normal means. If a limb is destroyed or removed, it will simply regenerate. To kill the revived, the soul has to be removed. Once this is accomplished, the bodies turn back to ash and dust, with the bodies of the individuals sacrificed lying among the ashes. "

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[knealis]

That's an interesting theory. Maybe this is the way Naruto defeats Kabuto, along with his summons, without having to use the Shiki Fuujin. But if I'm not mistaken, when Orochimaru fought Hiruzen, didn't he use his own seal to rob the revived of their own free will? Is it possible that Minato, or somebody, has a seal to reverse Orochimaru's, which Kabuto probably possesses (this about Orochimaru's seal)? Naruto has to learn about Edo Tensei, because it's going to be a dangerous technique to everyone during this war. Perhaps on Mount Myoboku (or in the scroll Naruto stole in chapter one), there is more detailed information on this forbidden technique.

That's basically what i was getting at. The kunai Orochimaru shoved into the 1st and 2nd hokages heads purified the bodies (made the dead tissue alive, or at least look alive) and forced them to obey his commands. This is why i think Minato might've been able to cancel Oro's seal like he did with Madara (canceling his control over Kyubbi) just my thoughts on that subject

also, I really don't think that Tobi is Madara. I think he may be a very powerful, disillusioned Uchiha who is parading around as Madara because of the fear his name strikes. That, or he is potentially a direct descendant of Madara indoctrinated (basically brainwashed) with Madara's hatred of the Leaf and all other ninja

But if it really is Madara then i think he's probably been using Zetsu to rejuvinate himself

 

[yondaimeminato]

I understand the reasons why Minato chose to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox into Naruto, but perhaps the path he chose was not the best one in the long run. It was the most correct one, but not the one that would have benefited everyone down the line.

You tell me that Minato could not have prevented Madara from extracting the Nine-Tailed Fox; actually, yes he could have, but he would have needed to given up something of great importance to him. But would it have been for the greater good?

Madara failed in his objective to destroy Konoha, I agree, but that doesn't mean he came away completely emptyhanded. Minato died, so he essentially removed a major threat from the equation, and as you can see now, it is paying off. I'm sure that Madara would rather have Minato dead and leave Konoha standing rather than the opposite, because if you look at chapter 467, he has better chances in this upcoming war with someone like Minato out of the picture.

While the events sixteen years ago weren't necessarily a war, I think that Madara came out victorious from those night's events simply because Konoha lost so much more than he did. Madara was defeated by Minato in their one-on-one battle, he lost the Nine-Tailed Fox, but consider what Konoha lost. And it wasn't just a couple of people that died; it was many ninja from Konoha who gave their lives fighting for their village.

It's funny, you repeatedly tell me "Minato is not a god," yet in all your posts, you make him out to be one. I definitely agree that Madara had his fair share of failures that night, but apparently you don't think so for Minato. You think that only divine intervention would have been able to stop Madara from doing what he did. That is wrong. Minato could have fully stopped Madara for good, but that would require a fairly large sacrifice. I think that both Minato and Madara won and lost something that night. Madara's objective was a failure, but once again, he got something in almost equal compensation. Minato as well. To defend Konoha was his goal, and he succeeded. But still, it came at a price, as does everything in this world.

Tell me what would madara have lose to balance the lost that konoha had and minato? Madara just came with the nine tail demon fox and himself. There wasn't a lot to lose for him but the nine tail demon fox. This was a great lost to him because look how much trouble he is having to recapture the nine tail demon fox again. He just lost one of his best member of the akatsuki "Pain".

It's not paying off. Don't you understand that madara hasn't completed his "Moon Eye Plan" yet. Konoha isn't destroy. There isn't any war. Nothing big has happened to the ninja world ever since minato died. He still needs to get the eight tail demon and the nine tail demon fox. Yes, he did have time to think about everything but minato is not the only one who could have stopped him. There is a reason why he left that task to his son his legacy "child of prophesy". Nothing dangerous is happening at the moment. When i say "at the moment" I mean that there isn't any war or big fighting where everyone is dying. This will happen yes but it's not happening yet. There isn't war between the five nations instead they are united. Up until now, the only one who has been losing important members is madara.

Minato's integrity, pride and heart stopped him from sacrificing his son and this is also part of the "will of fire" in konoha. "The children are the future of konoha". They are the king. They must be protected. Minato has been taught this principles ever since he was born. This statements have been repeated over and over throughout the manga. It's just the way kishi wants it. There is nothing more to it.

whether you like it or not madara is not going to succeed destroying everything and everyone at the end of naruto series. Eventually, there will be a "HERO" who will stop him and the world will come to stability. I wonder who this "HERO" is.

 

[maldoror]

@silenceofthelambs
For the sake of the story, if Madara is to be the main villain, he should be very strong if not the strongest ninja around.
But the story so for has not stationed him so. He didn't overpower anyone, hasn't shown any significant power that would jawdrop, nor has shown extreme intelligence so far.

All we have is a madara losing to 1st and 4th, no extreme power as akatsuki member (acting goofy, doing nothing in battles), info that he is "shell of his former self", having his plans ruined many times (By; his own clan, 1st, 4th, pain's betrayal).

To be honest, he is a weak portray of a main villain compared to other fantasy stories / mangas etc. So far, all he has is being able to form&use strong characters like akatsuki and receiving some praises from various characters that he is a formidable ninja. He is being talked about alot just because the story states that he is most likely the main villain. Goofing around, getting betrayed and getting pawned is what we have mostly seen about madara. His only worthy accomplishment appears to be being able to manipulate several strong characters (which are rather "emo" than smart).

Edit: I mean't 4th not 3rd, sorry for the typo.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

That's basically what i was getting at. The kunai Orochimaru shoved into the 1st and 2nd hokages heads purified the bodies (made the dead tissue alive, or at least look alive) and forced them to obey his commands. This is why i think Minato might've been able to cancel Oro's seal like he did with Madara (canceling his control over Kyubbi) just my thoughts on that subject

also, I really don't think that Tobi is Madara. I think he may be a very powerful, disillusioned Uchiha who is parading around as Madara because of the fear his name strikes. That, or he is potentially a direct descendant of Madara indoctrinated (basically brainwashed) with Madara's hatred of the Leaf and all other ninja

But if it really is Madara then i think he's probably been using Zetsu to rejuvinate himself

You bring exciting ideas to the forum. Let's see what the manga will have to say about them.