[VS] Kisame Vs Tobirama

[NarutoX28]

Tobirama and this techniqiu AINT this fast. Kisame's clone or something like it, was fighting with guy, who is incredible fast and even bet him in taijutsu. As i remember. If tobirama was so fast and were able to kill kage lvl shinobis with next move : (throw marked kunai, FTG, slice someone in a half), why would he was killed by Ginkaku/Kinkaku ? It just aint make sense.

That's because glaring inconsistencies are present everywhere. Given Tobirama's prestige garnered by Sasuke, Madara, Naruto, and Minato, there's no conceivable way that

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to begin with. Tobirama was among the strongest shinobi during the World War and his feats and portrayal nearing the climax of the War Arc are literally incongruous with previous feats that Kishimoto mentioned.

This is why the manga is analyzed holistically instead of cherry-picking feats because a holistic analysis is less prone to bias to begin with and we're capable of arriving to more rational conclusions via synthesizing information.

If we want, we can cherry-pick feats from Part 1 where Kisame would be visually depicted as weaker, but that's an unreasoned approach for obvious reasons.

 

[KidGamer65]

Manga intel means that Kisame gets butt raped. The only way he can push a Hiraishin user is if he starts off with his big guns, Samehada+Water Dome, right off the bat. If he tries to engage them like he'd engage 99% of his opponents in neutral conditions he'd get marked and blitzed in a heartbeat as not even a Juubi's Jinchuuriki in the middle of a Shunshin while launching an attack can get away from a confrontation with Tobirama without being marked.

Give him full intel so he can start off w/ WD and Samehada Fusion or at least use it very early on in the match and he'd take it as Tobirama would have no way left to actually put him down. That or Tobirama sacrifices himself to use Gojo and ends the match in a tie. But then Edo Tensei in the second scenario means that no amount of intel will save Kisame from getting stomped. All Tobirama needs to do is set the bomb off in his general vicinity and he'd dead as he can't absorb it and it contains enough power to shatter Myojinmon.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Tobirama wins.

Kisame's severely outclassed in speed given the fact that Tobirama blitzed an MS user and proceeded to tag Juubito multiple times prior to his bisection. He then was capable of completely out-maneuvering KCM Minato by using the Shunshin to reach him and tagged Juubito's TSB before KCM Minato could even move his arm a few inches.

Given that, once Tobirama moves, Kisame's barely going to move an inch prior to getting decapitated via Hiraishin Giri or his penetrative Suiton.

Tobirama overration continues.

Kisame neg diff once he fuse with Samehada Tobirama offence is moot a kunai slice isn't piercing Samehada.

 

[NarutoX28]

Tobirama overration continues.

Kisame neg diff once he fuse with Samehada Tobirama offence is moot a kunai slice isn't piercing Samehada.

He just springs dozens of explosive tags on his ass or uses an Edo Tensei to accomplish the same thing.

However, Kisame's not instigating such strategy before Tobirama blitzes him given the massive speed gap between them.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He just springs dozens of explosive tags on his ass or uses an Edo Tensei to accomplish the same thing.

However, Kisame's not instigating such strategy before Tobirama blitzes him given the massive speed gap between them.

I'll like to see how usefull Gojo is under water. He is never getting edo tensei on the bf without getting raped. They take to long to summon so you can dismiss that argument. Gojo can't be used like it was in cannon without edo so use a different strategy.

 

[NarutoX28]

I'll like to see how usefull Gojo is under water. He is never getting edo tensei on the bf without getting raped. They take to long to summon so you can dismiss that argument. Gojo can't be used like it was in cannon without edo so use a different strategy.

He's given Edo Hayate in Scenario 2.

But regardless, Kisame and Samehada aren't even fast enough to react, so you can dismiss that argument.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He's given Edo Hayate in Scenario 2.

But regardless, Kisame and Samehada aren't even fast enough to react, so you can dismiss that argument.

They don't have to react when they can fuse. Tobirama might win in scene 2 but even with a edo prep it still isn't a win.

 

[Booker]

They don't have to react when they can fuse. Tobirama might win in scene 2 but even with a edo prep it still isn't a win.

And what is Tobirama doing while Kisame and Samehada fuse? Picking his nose?

 

[NarutoX28]

They don't have to react when they can fuse. Tobirama might win in scene 2 but even with a edo prep it still isn't a win.

Kisame has to devise a strategy before utilizing fusion and then perform another reaction just to fuse with Samehada which can't be done before Tobirama blitzes him.

 

[TRE MERCER]

And what is Tobirama doing while Kisame and Samehada fuse? Picking his nose?

Kisame has to devise a strategy before utilizing fusion and then perform another reaction just to fuse with Samehada which can't be done before Tobirama blitzes him.

What can he do? He can't blitz without ftg.

 

[Booker]

What can he do? He can't blitz without ftg.

Lol according to what? He displayed far greater speed feats with footspeed and Shunshin during the War Arc than Kisame's showing with Bee.

 

[NarutoX28]

What can he do? He can't blitz without ftg.

Dude flickered to KCM Minato and grabbed Juubito's TSB before KCM Minato could even move his arm a few inches.

He can blitz or simply flicker most of the way and subsequently throw the Kunai behind Kisame's rear which will be more difficult to avoid considering the Kunai is magnified by Tobirama's own momentum as well. Then, Tobirama warps behind and bam-flashes him.

 

[NarutoX28]

You're a mentally challenged monkey. You contradict yourself. Tobirama wins low difficulty and your credibility went out the window. Bye

It's a sad day to see Zexion get rekt by a newbie.

 

[Phantaminum]

I am giving this to Tobirama.... He is a beast..

 

[Unorthodox]

Manga intel means that Kisame gets butt raped. The only way he can push a Hiraishin user is if he starts off with his big guns, Samehada+Water Dome, right off the bat. If he tries to engage them like he'd engage 99% of his opponents in neutral conditions he'd get marked and blitzed in a heartbeat as not even a Juubi's Jinchuuriki in the middle of a Shunshin while launching an attack can get away from a confrontation with Tobirama without being marked.

But if he was alive he'd be dead so you don't have a point. Lol and he was owned by 1 eyed Madara in cqc lol wtf.

It's a sad day to see Zexion get rekt by a newbie.

LMFAO!

 

[KidGamer65]

But if he was alive he'd be dead so you don't have a point. Lol and he was owned by 1 eyed Madara in cqc lol wtf.

Kisame and Juubito aren't anywhere close to being the same speed tier so I'm not sure what you think this proves. :lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Dude flickered to KCM Minato and grabbed Juubito's TSB before KCM Minato could even move his arm a few inches.

He can blitz or simply flicker most of the way and subsequently throw the Kunai behind Kisame's rear which will be more difficult to avoid considering the Kunai is magnified by Tobirama's own momentum as well. Then, Tobirama warps behind and bam-flashes him.

He used ftg to get behide Juubito. He'll be fused by the time he does all that nonsense your sprouting.

 

[NarutoX28]

He used ftg to get behide Juubito. He'll be fused by the time he does all that nonsense your sprouting.

Repetition won't get you anywhere unless you have the evidence to support how Kisame can even respond to Tobirama's speed.

 

[Zexion~]

It's a sad day to see Zexion get rekt by a newbie.

This is getting rekt?


@Booker got too busy to reply to your wall lol but I suppose you're right with most things except Kisame not absorbing a suiton (that is faster than V2 Bee blitz????)

With intel he takes this easily though.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Lol according to what? He displayed far greater speed feats with footspeed and Shunshin during the War Arc than Kisame's showing with Bee.

What footspeed/shunshin speed Tobirama has shown ? As far as I remember all his feats include usage of FTG.