[VS] Kisame Vs Itachi

[Nimaiya]

Bee never blitzed him, reread the manga.

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What ? MS Sharingan sasuke, who can "read" next movement wasn't able to react on Bee's attack.

 

[NarutoX28]

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What ? MS Sharingan sasuke, who can "read" next movement wasn't able to react on Bee's attack.

It's common sense that I was asking for legitimate feats. Sasuke was suffering from the agonizing pain of the MS, hence why he was clutching his eye. He was in no position to battle.

 

[Nimaiya]

Meh :\ when someone is using sharingan, he always read the other movement. Sasuke knew, that Bee attacked him, but was "speedblitzed"

 

[NarutoX28]

Meh :\ when someone is using sharingan, he always read the other movement. Sasuke knew, that Bee attacked him, but was "speedblitzed"

Not really when the Sharingan is an augmentation of your reactions, so being in such a debilitated state would obviously dull the effectiveness of the Sharingan. This is excluding how Sasuke's condition would prevent him from physically reacting in the first place.

 

[Zexion~]

Okay and how does the equate to Kisame being close to Itachi's speed and reactions? All of these things can easily be accomplished by Taka Sasuke let alone Itachi.

Not blitzing someone doesn't denote equivalent speed. How does that make sense anyways?

What are you saying, Gai was keeping up with KCM Naruto against Obito and thats Itachi's best speed feats :lol

Not blitzing someone means that Kisame has ways to deal with that kind of speed even if he himself isn't that fast. It isn't always about equal speed, reactions and attack patterns all factor in to blitzes as well.

 

[NarutoX28]

What are you saying, Gai was keeping up with KCM Naruto against Obito and thats Itachi's best speed feats :lol

Not blitzing someone means that Kisame has ways to deal with that kind of speed even if he himself isn't that fast. It isn't always about equal speed, reactions and attack patterns all factor in to blitzes as well.

Base Gai's speed alone cannot blitz Sharingan Users, Nagato, or DSM Kabuto, so I fail to see how this pertains to the discussion.

No offense, but this is a convoluted and somewhat disjointed argument. I know reactions and attack patterns are important factors when assessing blitzes, but I'm genuinely confused at how this is relevant when it's implicit that I took intno account Kisame's reactions in the first place. My main point is that the disparity is so monstrous between them that Itachi can easily outmaneuver Kisame given that Itachi's speed was sufficient in bewildering fighters that are significantly more reactive than Kisame was (including Kabuto).

 

[Zexion~]

Base Gai's speed alone cannot blitz Sharingan Users, Nagato, or DSM Kabuto, so I fail to see how this pertains to the discussion.

No offense, but this is a convoluted and somewhat disjointed argument. I know reactions and attack patterns are important factors when assessing blitzes, but I'm genuinely confused at how this is relevant when it's implicit that I took intno account Kisame's reactions in the first place. My main point is that the disparity is so monstrous between them that Itachi can easily outmaneuver Kisame given that Itachi's speed was sufficient in bewildering fighters that are significantly more reactive than Kisame was (including Kabuto).

Well its a good thing Itachi didn't blitz

-Nagato
-Sharingan user (except part 1 Sasuke)
-DSM Kabuto lol

Keeping up in speed isn't a blitz.

Gai was keeping up with Obito's jins (which had sharingan and rinnegan)

No offense but you know nothing about speed arguments as I've seen from multiple posts today :lol

 

[NarutoX28]

Well its a good thing Itachi didn't blitz

-Nagato
-Sharingan user (except part 1 Sasuke)
-DSM Kabuto lol

Keeping up in speed isn't a blitz.

Gai was keeping up with Obito's jins (which had sharingan and rinnegan)

No offense but you know nothing about speed arguments as I've seen from multiple posts today :lol

It doesn't matter. Simply bewildering anyone significantly more reactive than Kisame with sheer speed is enough outmaneuver Kisame here which is all that I'm arguing about. As for the rest:

1. Yes, he did lol. Nagato's Shared Vision was severed yet failed to elicit a mental response before Itachi tagged him which means the same applies to Kisame.
2. You don't remember Hebi Sasuke?
3. Is that why DSM Kabuto failed to perceive Itachi's ability to swap between clones and narrowly escaped his attack?
4. 6th Gate Gai fought Obito's Jins, not Base Gai.

Arbitrarily and ironically throwing around insults about my "ignorance" won't do you any good when you've explicitly blundered twice, both of which I bolded.

 

[Zexion~]

Dear lord

1. Yes, he did lol. Nagato's Shared Vision was severed yet failed to elicit a mental response before Itachi tagged him which means the same applies to Kisame.

1. 
   
   When did he blitz?? When he was focused on Naruto and Bee and KABUTO failed to realize Nagato's shared vision was cut off? Or when he used Totska while he was blinded lol.
   

   [*] You don't remember Hebi Sasuke?

   I remember him blitzing Hebi while in tsukuyomi ONLY all other times he failed to do anything (not that he was trying).
   
   

   [*] Is that why DSM Kabuto failed to perceive Itachi's ability to swap between clones and narrowly escaped his attack?

   Failing to percieve Itachi's swap is mostly hand-seal speed (As show with every other clone feint also)
   

   [*] 6th Gate Gai fought Obito's Jins, not Base Gai.

   The same 6th gate Gai that 30% Kisame almost reacted to lol, meanwhile he was out speeding the 7th gate gai (or on equal at least)
   
   Please bro just stop :lol

 

[Nimaiya]

Not really when the Sharingan is an augmentation of your reactions, so being in such a debilitated state would obviously dull the effectiveness of the Sharingan. This is excluding how Sasuke's condition would prevent him from physically reacting in the first place.

No :\ Sasuke saw Bee, but wasn't able to dodge it.

 

[Booker]

Well its a good thing Itachi didn't blitz

-Nagato
-Sharingan user (except part 1 Sasuke)
-DSM Kabuto lol

Keeping up in speed isn't a blitz.

Gai was keeping up with Obito's jins (which had sharingan and rinnegan)

No offense but you know nothing about speed arguments as I've seen from multiple posts today :lol

Oh the irony

 

[Forbidden Technique]

It doesn't matter. Simply bewildering anyone significantly more reactive than Kisame with sheer speed is enough outmaneuver Kisame here which is all that I'm arguing about. As for the rest:

1. Yes, he did lol. Nagato's Shared Vision was severed yet failed to elicit a mental response before Itachi tagged him which means the same applies to Kisame.
2. You don't remember Hebi Sasuke?
3. Is that why DSM Kabuto failed to perceive Itachi's ability to swap between clones and narrowly escaped his attack?
4. 6th Gate Gai fought Obito's Jins, not Base Gai.

Arbitrarily and ironically throwing around insults about my "ignorance" won't do you any good when you've explicitly blundered twice, both of which I bolded.

You get that feat from my exploits? First time I see someone using it haha

 

[NarutoX28]

You get that feat from my exploits? First time I see someone using it haha

Nah, I mentioned this a year ago. Maybe you thought of it first and I happened to have the same idea.

 

[KidGamer65]

The same 6th gate Gai that 30% Kisame almost reacted to lol, meanwhile he was out speeding the 7th gate gai (or on equal at least)

l

Lmao you should just never ever in your life try to argue anything speed related just because of the amount of nonsense in this one sentence alone. Jesus Christ... Kisame being equal or faster than the 7th Gate? Kisame outspeeding or matching the 7th Gate in anything relating speed? :lol

 

[adeshina365]

Itachi wins both scenarios.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Itachi wins both scenarios in all honesty.

I don't even think the sickness will eliminate the monstrous speed gap between them given that his speed even while ill can dupe Hebi Sasuke.

Monstrous speed gap? Kisame>Hebi Sasuke in speed. Kisame and Itachi speed is on the same level.

 

[NarutoX28]

Monstrous speed gap? Kisame>Hebi Sasuke in speed. Kisame and Itachi speed is on the same level.

Kisame ~ Hebi Sasuke.

Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hebi Sasuke.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kisame ~ Hebi Sasuke.

Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hebi Sasuke.

Doesn't matter if Itachi tries cqc with Kisame he isn't out classing him.

 

[NarutoX28]

Doesn't matter if Itachi tries cqc with Kisame he isn't out classing him.

Really?

So Itachi casually reacting to someone faster than Minato whilst evading a blindside attack by Bee isn't significantly better than Kisame being boxed in by a fodder ninja and Bee? You'd have to be delusional to try to argue that Kisame even has a chance against Itachi.

Give me some feats or information from the Databook that would support the notion that Kisame even has incredible reflexes to begin with, let alone equivalent reactions to Itachi and then maybe you'd have an argument here.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Really?

So Itachi casually reacting to someone faster than Minato whilst evading a blindside attack by Bee isn't significantly better than Kisame being boxed in by a fodder ninja and Bee? You'd have to be delusional to try to argue that Kisame even has a chance against Itachi.

Give me some feats or information from the Databook that would support the notion that Kisame even has incredible reflexes to begin with, let alone equivalent reactions to Itachi and then maybe you'd have an argument here.

He reacted to v2 Killer bee. Also i said Itachi wins but it isn't because of his speed or cqc. It's because of his MS techs and his Susanoo weapons.