Rinnegan Sasuke(No Rinnegan Powers allowed) VS DRSM Madara

[Dizzldot]

"Better potency" doesn't matter if 2 people are using the same jutsu on the same level.
That isn't how jutsu and chakra potency works in the first place and Sasuke's chakra isn't any different from Madara's anyway.

S1- Biju Perfect Susano'o one shots with Indra's arrow.

S2- Could go either way. Sasuke is portrayed to be able to potentially surpass Madara in the future back in the War arc, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Boruto saga Sasuke is the one foreshadowed to be superior. Adult Sasuke has no power increase over his younger self since his full power is just Perfect Susano'o. A general skill increase is all that can be drawn if any at all.

You restricted Sasuke from using Rinnegan techniques, although I don't think that Amenotejikara is doing anything when it comes to defeating Madara anyway. No sage power to harm Limbo either, so Madara wins.

S3- Madara is stated to be superior and has objectively superior abilities feat wise.

In SC1 I didnt mean with bijuu but yeah with bijuu easy win without them I think it goes madara easily

 

[KidGamer65]

Not gunna bother with the bottom part as sasuke's chidori didnt match that pretty small TBB as his avatar took considerably more damage losing an entire wing, as well as saying it is "more focused" when its the size of a PS fist and will "easily pierce" madara's PS is also fanfic at best you have no evidence

His Avatar didn't take more damage. Him and Naruto got hit by equal parts of the blast. He lost part of his wing and part of his face. Naruto lost part of his shoulder and torso and part of his face.

And lmao. Do you people read what you post before you post it? Cause if people did read what they posted on this site before they actually hit reply then 90% of the things said would never see the light of day. Sasuke's Chidori equaled an attack that can damage Susanoo. Sasuke's Chidori has equal power, but more focus as Chidori affects a smaller area than a Multi Mountain Ranged size explosion. I'm going to simplify this as much as I possibly can.

Chidori Power Level=10
Bijuu Dama Power Level=10

Chidori is smaller than Bijuu Dama's explosion.

Thus Chidori is more focused with equal power. Thus it pierces deeper than the unfocused explosion can.


The only fanfiction I'm reading is:

"Madara dodges PS Chidori in close range"

"Madara's PS is larger or was portrayed larger"

Shall I go on?

Madara sensing and dodging comes from the fact he could dodge EMS sasuke's kenjutsu easily while blind he can easily see a chidori coming from his susanoo and counter that arm you act as if naruto didnt charge his TBB and leap towards sasuke purposefully clashing with him and that taking the few seconds to charge and leap was a dire reaction

How does dodging EMS Sasuke mean that his PS can dodge an attack from an equally as fast PS while locked in close combat with him? Once again nothing you are saying makes sense. Your argument is basically "Sasuke's attack is dodged because I say so". :lol

"He sees it coming and counters it"

That's a statement, not an explanation on why he can do so and how he does so. And whether or not Naruto charged at him is irrelevant. Chidori is no slower than his other attacks which Naruto needs to block, not dodge.

Your logic is flawed saying the 3T sauske with the bigger arsenal by 1 jutsu will win because that makes the assumption that one jutsu will end the battle or create an opening to end the battle if it does neither of those it is irrelevant in the discussion especially considering you can replace chidori with a kunai and get the job done

No, it's not, because they are identical in every other way thus the one with the most powerful attack on top of having identical statistics will win. This isn't a complicated analogy to understand so do me a favor and stop acting like it is. Last sentence makes zero sense. If Chidori was replaced with a Kunai then both contestants would be dead equal in every single way, so how does "Kunai get the job done". :lol

Inconsistent scaling is used as an excuse for everything, still stands madara's PS was portrayed as the largest

Except it wasn't. Not now, not ever. They are all around Mountain Sized constructs.

Also Mokujin obviously has never been used by madara it was for the sake of argument in VS

Thus there is no reason to give it to him unless you have a very good reason.

 

[The Messiah]

Yeah, I'm honestly not saying this for just sasuke I think DRSM is a match for RSM naruto as well and everyone looks past the actual feats and assumes "power level" bullshit nothing at VOTE 2 surpassed Madara's feats in EMS with the kyuubi except for IA and TBBFRS clash

@Bold

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[Tantalus Thief]

"TheSages456" = "Shinobi no Kami" on NF.

the sages told me he's not SnK from NF, but the resemblance is uncanny plus the join dates of the two are suspiciously close.

What?

he's claiming thesages456 is this guy called shinobi no kami on a naruto website called NF(short for n.arutoforums except the dot).

 

[Dizzldot]

@Bold

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shhhhh I have to make my fapping not obvious
Alright pure power wise I went too far lol but sasuke doesnt have that power

 

[DHOH]

shhhhh I have to make my fapping not obvious
Alright pure power wise I went too far lol but sasuke doesnt have that power

lol you're a Goon.

On topic. Hagoromo's chakra >> Madara
Sasuke's jutsu >> Madara

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Yeah, I'm honestly not saying this for just sasuke I think DRSM is a match for RSM naruto as well and everyone looks past the actual feats and assumes "power level" bullshit nothing at VOTE 2 surpassed Madara's feats in EMS with the kyuubi except for IA and TBBFRS clash

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[Dizzldot]

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alright, name a feat

 

[Edogawa]

There wasn't any need to restrict Sasuke from Rinnegan abilities, as the only thing he has battle-wise is Amenotejikara, which wouldn't touch Madara when it failed to touch a fodder like Shin. The Chakra buff Sasuke enabled his PS to have same destructive and defensive capabilities as EMS Madara; this version is Rinnegan Madara, therefore, he gets a buff which empowers his PS further than Rinnegan Sasuke. Rinnegan Madara has access to Six Paths on the same scale as Nagato - that along with superior base prowess, like Katon and CQC. Rinnegan Madara has superior portrayal from the author in the databook.

Unless this is Sasuke using Biju's to support because he's too weak, it's as TheSages456 just said: Madara is objectively superior in every category, regardless of how much it hurts the feelings of Sasuke's fans.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Madara's PS and Sasuke's PS are as boosted as each other but Madara's Jiubi's main body sized PS easily dwarfs Sasuke's Biju sized PS ,so it is obvious who is the winner .
even if riningan abilities weren't restricted ,DRSM Madara would beat Teen Riningan Sasuke with nearly the same difficulty EMS Madara would beat EMS Sasuke .if Adult Sasuke's PS is still biju sized ,he would still lose .if it is gigantic like the one Edo Madara used ,then he would win due to his PS chidori .
Inp4 :their PS aren't as boosted .Sasuke got half Hagoromo's chakra ....etc .

 

[King Of Pop]

sasuke wins all scenarios and it doesn't go past mid dif. no need restricting madara in the last one since full power Drsm madara gets put on his ass easily

unless you think the penetrative force of PS chidori is greater than sasuke's normal chidori (which wouldn't make sense since smaller surface area=greater psi) and that naruto's RSM cloak which tanked it is more durable than madara's PS

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stop posting already

 

[Chaosmark101]

EMS Sasuke's PS as an adult would have just been more or less on par with Madara's PS had he never received half of the so6p's chakra.
But considering he did receive half of the So6p's chakra his Susuano'o is much stronger than Madara's who has less So6P chakra.
And canonically has more firepower with PS Chidori.

Madara doesn't really have anything too threatining to Sasuke here. Deva's useless, Preta is useless, the other paths are useless.
Limbo isn't doing much not to mention Sasuke can see the Limbo clones. Mokuton gets pooped on.
Sasuke wins mid difficulty on a bad day.

 

[Dizzldot]

sasuke wins all scenarios and it doesn't go past mid dif. no need restricting madara in the last one since full power Drsm madara gets put on his ass easily

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stop posting already

I forgot you don't know what penetrating is

 

[Dizzldot]

His Avatar didn't take more damage. Him and Naruto got hit by equal parts of the blast. He lost part of his wing and part of his face. Naruto lost part of his shoulder and torso and part of his face.

And lmao. Do you people read what you post before you post it? Cause if people did read what they posted on this site before they actually hit reply then 90% of the things said would never see the light of day. Sasuke's Chidori equaled an attack that can damage Susanoo. Sasuke's Chidori has equal power, but more focus as Chidori affects a smaller area than a Multi Mountain Ranged size explosion. I'm going to simplify this as much as I possibly can.

Chidori Power Level=10
Bijuu Dama Power Level=10

Chidori is smaller than Bijuu Dama's explosion.

Thus Chidori is more focused with equal power. Thus it pierces deeper than the unfocused explosion can.


The only fanfiction I'm reading is:

"Madara dodges PS Chidori in close range"

"Madara's PS is larger or was portrayed larger"

Shall I go on?



How does dodging EMS Sasuke mean that his PS can dodge an attack from an equally as fast PS while locked in close combat with him? Once again nothing you are saying makes sense. Your argument is basically "Sasuke's attack is dodged because I say so". :lol

"He sees it coming and counters it"

That's a statement, not an explanation on why he can do so and how he does so. And whether or not Naruto charged at him is irrelevant. Chidori is no slower than his other attacks which Naruto needs to block, not dodge.



No, it's not, because they are identical in every other way thus the one with the most powerful attack on top of having identical statistics will win. This isn't a complicated analogy to understand so do me a favor and stop acting like it is. Last sentence makes zero sense. If Chidori was replaced with a Kunai then both contestants would be dead equal in every single way, so how does "Kunai get the job done". :lol



Except it wasn't. Not now, not ever. They are all around Mountain Sized constructs.



Thus there is no reason to give it to him unless you have a very good reason.

You have no reason to believe madara's PS sword wouldn't cut clean through sauce's PS

Madara easily dodged sasuke blind, you agreed they both have the decrease in speed from being in constructs therefore madara should still be able to dodge a chidori if he could dodge the kenjutsu, thinking otherwise would be like saying sasuke's PS moves more quickly than Madara's allowing him to strike madara when he was clearly shown able to dodge outside of it. Youre the one with failing explanations by saying for some reason a person easily able to dodge scaled up can no longer easily dodge when their stats are all scaled to be equal to what they were without PS.

Having the more powerful attack doesnt matter unless like I said it is used to finish the fight or cause an opening to finish the fight. You can't say "he has chidori he wins" because if chidori never hits or sets up an opening then it doesnt matter if he had it or not, if you don't understand this then all logic is failing because you're just saying a more powerful attack wins even if it doesnt do shit to the fight.

Lastly bijuudama is a compressed ball of chakra more compressed than any chidori, the way it expresses that energy can be changed as seen in a laser form, or large bomb form. So saying chidori is more compressed is fanfic get over that you're relying on a jutsu acting the same way when used in a much larger construct which if you knew shit about small scale engineering, when scaled up things don't act the same as they do in small scale thats why you need replicas at multiple scales before jumping to the full size.

We aren't going to agree on this but I'm not conceding lol because your points aren't actually convincing everything you're saying falls back to having one attack

 

[KidGamer65]

You have no reason to believe madara's PS sword wouldn't cut clean through sauce's PS

Sasuke has superior feats. Sasuke cut a giant Meteor. Madara cut a Mountain. As already stated Sasuke can repel his blades with his own.

Sasuke survived the explosion of an attack far stronger than what PS can output on it's own, so how does Madara cut through Sasuke's PS? "You have no reason to believe...." isn't a counter argument.

Do you like ignoring what is stated in favor of your extremely biased opinion?

Madara easily dodged sasuke blind, you agreed they both have the decrease in speed from being in constructs therefore madara should still be able to dodge a chidori if he could dodge the kenjutsu, thinking otherwise would be like saying sasuke's PS moves more quickly than Madara's allowing him to strike madara when he was clearly shown able to dodge outside of it. Youre the one with failing explanations by saying for some reason a person easily able to dodge scaled up can no longer easily dodge when their stats are all scaled to be equal to what they were without PS.

Now let's go back to the Manga, actually read it, and realize that EMS Sasuke and Rinnegan Sasuke are not the same in terms of speed or reactions. Then we have the fact that your logic is trash. You think that Sasuke's PS has no special buff thus it is equal to Madara's. Sasuke's reaction speed is superior and his movement speed via Susanoo is equal to Madara's. When Madara dodged EMS Sasuke's attacks the gap in movement and reaction speed was large because Madara himself is superior to Sasuke in both scenarios.

However in this scenario Sasuke's reaction speed is superior as Rinnegan Sasuke>Blind Sage Madara in that facet, and their movement speed is equal as Susanoo=Susanoo (even though Sasuke's feats are superior). So your scaling is trash and thus so is your argument. Your scaling assumes that the act of using Perfect Susanoo is a buff to the user's movement speed, thus whoever was faster before is faster afterwards even though PS has it's own movement speed.

Having the more powerful attack doesnt matter unless like I said it is used to finish the fight or cause an opening to finish the fight. You can't say "he has chidori he wins" because if chidori never hits or sets up an opening then it doesnt matter if he had it or not, if you don't understand this then all logic is failing because you're just saying a more powerful attack wins even if it doesnt do shit to the fight.

If two people are equal in every way then the only difference between them is what separates the two. What you are saying, is as usual, beyond idiotic because there is no reason to believe Chidori won't be a defining factor in a battle where everything else is exactly the same. What you are saying is dumb and only is not dumb in a scenario where two people aren't exactly the same in every way, shape and form. The sooner you realize this the better.

Lastly bijuudama is a compressed ball of chakra more compressed than any chidori, the way it expresses that energy can be changed as seen in a laser form, or large bomb form. So saying chidori is more compressed is fanfic get over that you're relying on a jutsu acting the same way when used in a much larger construct which if you knew shit about small scale engineering, when scaled up things don't act the same as they do in small scale thats why you need replicas at multiple scales before jumping to the full size.

I can tell you've never taken a basic physics class a day in your life, because if you had you wouldn't be responding with this moronic garbage you call an argument. Go read up on pressure or just pay attention next time you go to school and then respond to me. The more area an attack affects the less focused it is. Bijuu Dama in it's ball form is compressed, but Bijuu Dama in it's explosion form isn't compressed nor is it more compressed than Chidori as Chidori affects a smaller area than Bijuu Dama. None of this nonsense you are talking about in the bold is relevant to these facts so the sooner you stop BS'ing the better.

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Read those articles before you respond. I'll simplify this again and I expect you to address it instead of spewing irrelevant nonsense.

Bijuu Dama explosion>>>>Chidori in size.
Bijuu Dama power=Chidori power.

Chidori smaller. Chidori affect smaller area.
Bijuu Dama larger. Bijuu Dama affect larger area.

Thus the more focused attack is the one that affects the smaller area. These are facts. Straight facts. Remember that before you respond.

We aren't going to agree on this but I'm not conceding lol because your points aren't actually convincing everything you're saying falls back to having one attack

You complain about people fapping Sasuke when they say he wins. But when the arguments have been presented all you can do is dance around them with your shitty logic. Lmao my points are convincing to those who actually have the small brain power that is required to understand them. You my friend, do not fall under this category.

 

[Dizzldot]

Sasuke has superior feats. Sasuke cut a giant Meteor. Madara cut a Mountain. As already stated Sasuke can repel his blades with his own.

Sasuke survived the explosion of an attack far stronger than what PS can output on it's own, so how does Madara cut through Sasuke's PS? "You have no reason to believe...." isn't a counter argument.

Do you like ignoring what is stated in favor of your extremely biased opinion?



Now let's go back to the Manga, actually read it, and realize that EMS Sasuke and Rinnegan Sasuke are not the same in terms of speed or reactions. Then we have the fact that your logic is trash. You think that Sasuke's PS has no special buff thus it is equal to Madara's. Sasuke's reaction speed is superior and his movement speed via Susanoo is equal to Madara's. When Madara dodged EMS Sasuke's attacks the gap in movement and reaction speed was large because Madara himself is superior to Sasuke in both scenarios.

However in this scenario Sasuke's reaction speed is superior as Rinnegan Sasuke>Blind Sage Madara in that facet, and their movement speed is equal as Susanoo=Susanoo (even though Sasuke's feats are superior). So your scaling is trash and thus so is your argument. Your scaling assumes that the act of using Perfect Susanoo is a buff to the user's movement speed, thus whoever was faster before is faster afterwards even though PS has it's own movement speed.



If two people are equal in every way then the only difference between them is what separates the two. What you are saying, is as usual, beyond idiotic because there is no reason to believe Chidori won't be a defining factor in a battle where everything else is exactly the same. What you are saying is dumb and only is not dumb in a scenario where two people aren't exactly the same in every way, shape and form. The sooner you realize this the better.



I can tell you've never taken a basic physics class a day in your life, because if you had you wouldn't be responding with this moronic garbage you call an argument. Go read up on pressure or just pay attention next time you go to school and then respond to me. The more area an attack affects the less focused it is. Bijuu Dama in it's ball form is compressed, but Bijuu Dama in it's explosion form isn't compressed nor is it more compressed than Chidori as Chidori affects a smaller area than Bijuu Dama. None of this nonsense you are talking about in the bold is relevant to these facts so the sooner you stop BS'ing the better.

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Read those articles before you respond. I'll simplify this again and I expect you to address it instead of spewing irrelevant nonsense.

Bijuu Dama explosion>>>>Chidori in size.
Bijuu Dama power=Chidori power.

Chidori smaller. Chidori affect smaller area.
Bijuu Dama larger. Bijuu Dama affect larger area.

Thus the more focused attack is the one that affects the smaller area. These are facts. Straight facts. Remember that before you respond.




You complain about people fapping Sasuke when they say he wins. But when the arguments have been presented all you can do is dance around them with your shitty logic. Lmao my points are convincing to those who actually have the small brain power that is required to understand them. You my friend, do not fall under this category.

Madara cut multiple mountains with just the shockwave created by his sword>cutting a meteor with physical contact

You're right my brain power exceeds anyone's on this forum considering I have the genes from a double Ivy league graduate and top of his class medical school graduate so I'm smart enough to rebuddle dumb shit and not be convinced from points that are entirely opinion based from a fictional universe

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara cut multiple mountains with just the shockwave created by his sword>cutting a meteor with physical contact

You're right my brain power exceeds anyone's on this forum considering I have the genes from a double Ivy league graduate and top of his class medical school graduate so I'm smart enough to rebuddle dumb shit and not be convinced from points that are entirely opinion based from a fictional universe

No, cutting multiple Mountains with a shockwave is not superior to cutting Mountain dwarfing Meteors with a direct hit.

Hmm, "his" doesn't sound like "yours". The fact you can't comprehend simple English text and a Manga aimed at teenagers isn't helping your case buddy. :lol When or if you stupidly decide to respond learn the difference between an argument based on evidence, an opinion and fact.

My posts in this thread: Based on evidence. Riddled with FACTS.

Your posts in this thread: Based on nothing. Riddled with BIAS.

 

[Dizzldot]

No, cutting multiple Mountains with a shockwave is not superior to cutting Mountain dwarfing Meteors with a direct hit.

Hmm, "his" doesn't sound like "yours". The fact you can't comprehend simple English text and a Manga aimed at teenagers isn't helping your case buddy. :lol When or if you stupidly decide to respond learn the difference between an argument based on evidence, an opinion and fact.

My posts in this thread: Based on evidence. Riddled with FACTS.

Your posts in this thread: Based on nothing. Riddled with BIAS.

Genes are genes my friend my 3 direct brothers and sisters are all extremely smart its called genetics, smart adults make smart children as long as they don't **** themselves over.

I like how you say cutting mountains with a shockwave isn't a greater feat when the speed the blade would have to be moving to create a shockwave thin and fast enough to do that is tremendous thats like a vacuum effect containing the air moved by the blade in a solid shape like an invisible sword, While sasuke was just drawing an actual blade through material which isn't even a feat as long as enough force is applied and the blade is long enough (which in canon was never shown to be nearly as long as the meteor was in diameter) so he used multiple intersecting cuts. so it boils down to 1 slash of air pressure cut multiple mountains or 6-8 solid intersecting slashes tore apart a mass of not even solid rock (not as dense as mountain compressed on itself)
Your argument is just as opinion based as mine, that you can't deny because it is all your interpretation of the manga and not Kishimoto's direct words.

 

[KidGamer65]

Genes are genes my friend my 3 direct brothers and sisters are all extremely smart its called genetics, smart adults make smart children as long as they don't **** themselves over.

I like how you say cutting mountains with a shockwave isn't a greater feat when the speed the blade would have to be moving to create a shockwave thin and fast enough to do that is tremendous thats like a vacuum effect containing the air moved by the blade in a solid shape like an invisible sword, While sasuke was just drawing an actual blade through material which isn't even a feat as long as enough force is applied and the blade is long enough (which in canon was never shown to be nearly as long as the meteor was in diameter) so he used multiple intersecting cuts. so it boils down to 1 slash of air pressure cut multiple mountains or 6-8 solid intersecting slashes tore apart a mass of not even solid rock (not as dense as mountain compressed on itself)
Your argument is just as opinion based as mine, that you can't deny because it is all your interpretation of the manga and not Kishimoto's direct words.

Then start acting like you are as smart as you claim, because what is being said here isn't complicated. But of course you won't because then you'll have to actually admit that you are wrong. As if being wrong would kill you. :lol

No, it's not, because what Sasuke cut is far larger. Madara doing something much smaller without contact isn't evidence that he's superior. Then we have the fact that

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. Shown if you'd actually read the Manga for once instead of running off what you think is right. He cut it from top to bottom.

And no, it's not, because I actually have evidence from the Manga and real world science backing me while you have foolish denials and baseless opinions.

-Pressure in physics is a thing. That's FACT.
-Bijuu Dama's explosion being smaller than Chidori's area of effect is a FACT.
-Chidori having as much power as Bijuu Dama is a FACT.
-Rinnegan Sasuke having better speed feats than Madara is shown in the Manga. Blatantly shown.
-PS is equal to PS since that is what you believe, and I went along with it even though it's false just to show you how little sense you make here.

Here's what aren't facts or based on anything:

-Madara being able to dodge Chidori in close range from a construct of equal speed being used by someone with greater reaction speed while already in close combat.

-Madara's blade being able to tear through Sasuke's Susanoo.

These are your nonsensical arguments. :lol Hilarious shit. Not a single scan in existence backs your arguments while I can pull scans and proof for almost everything I've stated here.

 

[KidGamer65]

This joker is just looking for someone to say "haha yeah, I agree Madara wins all scenarios with utter ease because I have a dislike for a drawing and/or said drawing's fans"

Lmfao