Your favorite no handout ninja?

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Your argument would be like me saying that Sakura earned herself Uchiha powers because she knows how to rip out eyeballs and implant them into herself.

You think Kabuto just popped an Orochimaru pill and gained magic powers? His scientific knowledge, pain tolerance and resourcefulness had to combat Oro's hostile DNA on top of how impressive the actual procedure and intel/prep time/research Edo Tensei army took. There is maybe no better suited person in the manga skillset-wise to make that army as good as it was :')

Let's not even go into mastering DSM and surpassing Orochimaru through nothing but being morally bankrupt, hard-working and brilliant.

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Lee is a hard worker, Someone like Sasuke/Neji is a born genius prodigy. Kabuto through desperation, is both.

 

[Оdin]

You think Kabuto just popped an Orochimaru pill and gained magic powers? His scientific knowledge, pain tolerance and resourcefulness had to combat Oro's hostile DNA on top of how impressive the actual procedure and intel/prep time/research Edo Tensei army took. There is maybe no better suited person in the manga skillset-wise to make that army as good as it was :')

Doesn't matter. This thread is about shinobi who became great with their own power and not someone else.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Doesn't matter. This thread is about shinobi who became great with their own power and not someone else.

^ finished the post while you were writing

And whatever you say but im pretty sure Knights made the thread. 'Someone else' involved or not it's an earned power and is his own due to his specific medical skills, intellect and resourcefulness.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Orrrrr completely shut me down without even trying to come up with a counter-argument, sure :')

Love forums.

I kind of agree with him to an extent, kabuto was relatively weak until modifying himself and trying to be like oro, he still injected himself with oros DNA. That being said I also agree he has no gifted powers and it takes a lot of intelligence and will power to do so... but you said he trained hard... did he really?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I kind of agree with him to an extent, kabuto was relatively weak until modifying himself and trying to be like oro, he still injected himself with oros DNA. That being said I also agree he has no gifted powers and it takes a lot of intelligence and will power to do so... but you said he trained hard... did he really?

I'd definitely say so. Remember the Orochimaru DNA wasn't exactly a snap-on process and it actually tried to kill him and take over control at every point that he used it. Keeping dominance over it to then surpass Oro (incl skill to achieve DSM at Ryuuchi Cave...something Oro couldn't do) is skill, brains, pain and hard work all on display.

Let's take ET as an example as it's the one people say doesn't take skill or effort to use the most.

Literally no ninja has worked so hard to earn and create one jutsu as Kabuto Yakushi did with ET. Hear me out.

Deciphered the Uchiha Tablet

Prior years of testing the jutsu in it's infancy with Orochimaru.

Took Oro's cells and implanted them into self which was painful AND took genius medical knowledge to do.

Learned all the dead ninja information, techs and locations. Even ninja from decades before him. Thanks to his...ninja info cards :bdpf:

Collected and grave-robbed all of the bodies and DNA traces without getting caught.

Mastered Sage Mode through his own skill which even Oro could not.

Bought a bunch of nifty capes.

Perfected the Jutsu himself.

Collected a bunch of dead bodies to use as sacrifices. Graverobbing 50+ corpses and DNA collecting from ninja lost decades down the line takes time and knowledge.

Modded a perfect prime form of Madara Uchiha.

Forget Susanoo, Rasen-Shuriken, Wood Style and Byakagou. It took a resourceful, sneaky, powerful medical genius to perfect and use such a jutsu and people should give credit where credits due.
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hashirama senju...I mean look at the power:

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[Оdin]

^ finished the post while you were writing

And whatever you say but im pretty sure Knights made the thread. 'Someone else' involved or not it's an earned power and is his own due to his specific medical skills, intellect and resourcefulness.

I would have agreed with you if he had become powerful with just Dragon Sage Mode, but that wasn't the case as he took Orochimaru's power and the DNA of multiple shinobi. Doesn't matter if his knowledge and intellect allowed him to do it, it's still not his power as he stole it from others. Sasuke, Naruto, Kakashi... these shinobi wouldn't be considered handout because they mastered the power they were given. Actually, with your logic, every "handout" wouldn't be labeled as such if the power was mastered.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I'd definitely say so. Remember the Orochimaru DNA wasn't exactly a snap-on process and it actually tried to kill him and take over control at every point that he used it. Keeping dominance over it to then surpass Oro (incl skill to achieve DSM at Ryuuchi Cave...something Oro couldn't do) is skill, brains, pain and hard work all on display.

Let's take ET as an example as it's the one people say doesn't take skill or effort to use the most.

I guess training comes in different ways, you have good points

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I would have agreed with you if he had become powerful with just Dragon Sage Mode, but that wasn't the case as he took Orochimaru's power and the DNA of multiple shinobi. Doesn't matter if his knowledge and intellect allowed him to do it, it's still not his power as he stole it from others. Sasuke, Naruto, Kakashi... these shinobi wouldn't be considered handout because they mastered the power they were given. Actually, with your logic, every "handout" wouldn't be labeled as such if the power was mastered.

Nope. There's a difference.

Sasuke didn't have to master the EMS to receive & use it.

Kabuto had to innovate a way to do it, do the body mod without dying, master his DNA or face being taken over immediately by the volatile DNA that fought him.

 

[Оdin]

Nope.

Sasuke didn't have to master the EMS to receive it.

Kabuto had to innovate a way to do it, do the body mod without dying, master his DNA or face being taken over immediately or at any point of DSM Kabuto's run. He mastered DSM afterwards having conquered his invention.

Sasuke had to master his techniques after each powerup he received. Don't try to give special treatment to Four Eyes just because he's your favorite.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Sasuke had to master his techniques after each powerup he received. Don't try to give special treatment to Four Eyes just because he's your favorite.

psst or maybe he's just my fav as a result of all this really impressive & downplayed stuff he's achieved

It was a free power-up. It was a known and common operation done by somebody else for him, EMS didn't immediately threaten his existence nor did Sasuke have to pioneer or 'own' it. Use Rikudou powerups if that makes for a more cookie-cutter comparison

 

[Оdin]

psst or maybe he's just my fav as a result of all this really impressive & downplayed stuff he's achieved

It was a free power-up. It was a known and common operation done by somebody else for him, EMS didn't immediately threaten his existence nor did Sasuke have to pioneer or 'own' it. Use Rikudou powerups if that makes for a more cookie-cutter comparison

Tomorrow I'm gonna earn myself ten million dollars because I learned a way to steal it from a bank.

I'm done here.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Tomorrow I'm gonna earn myself ten million dollars because I learned a way to steal it from a bank.

I'm done here.

Still wouldn't be 'a handout'.

Night, it's late here too. Chill sometime. You've earned it.

 

[Оdin]

Still wouldn't be 'a handout'.

Night, it's late here too. Chill sometime.

gg logic

It's called thievery, something only weak scum do, worse than a handout.

Seee yaaa

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

gg logic

It's called thievery, something only weak scum do, worse than a handout.

Seee yaaa

This is thievery.

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If you can't see or appreciate an alternative form of training, skill and application of that skill outside of punching trees every day (which is why people like these kinda characters) then that's fine but you're not really gonna get to me by insulting a fav fictional character of mine...

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I kind of agree with him to an extent, kabuto was relatively weak until modifying himself and trying to be like oro, he still injected himself with oros DNA. That being said I also agree he has no gifted powers and it takes a lot of intelligence and will power to do so... but you said he trained hard... did he really?

He had to train to master SM properly and pretty sure the skill with his powers had to come from somewhere. Does research and experiment count as training for Kabuto?
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