[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro
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Luffy was using the hawk moves while steam was coming off his arm:
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What the **** do you mean he was laying him out in base? Chinjao ate Luffy's hawk rifle. So again Luffy not using gears doesn't make Chinjao a linear fighter, you're reaching at this point.
By the way, before you claim I'm trying to downplay Zoro I agree with you and Bogard regarding Zoro and Luffy, it's just the Sanji and DCJ part I disagree with.
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Lord Tywin
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Hold on. What does that prove? You said he was keeping up with G2 Luffy. Luffy used G2 once, and Chinjao canonically could not keep up.
That proves your stance completely invalid. Base Luffy was keeping up with Chinjao, 1 g2 attack Chinjao couldn't even get his arms up in time to block. And yea I forgot about the hawk rifle, which is why I said he laid him out in base, I remembered Chinjao not being a match for G2, which is why I said that.
No one said Chinjao isn't durable, though. And I didn't say or think you were downplaying anyone at all. I can tell you aren't.
Unfortunately, Sanji never broke through Jyabra's tekkai using his base kicks. All of his base Kick's which he used against tekkai were all down right tanked by Jyabra. Zoro, on the other hand, overpowered Kaku's tekkai, and Kaku had to get away from the attacks reach in order to avoid getting damaged. Kaku is a swordsman, his attacks are all lethal, so it means literally nothing that Jyabra is a carnivorous type. The best attack Jyabra had to offer(Jus Shigan) couldn't even KO Usopp.
Kaku was way more versatile, Durable and powerful than Jyabra. Despite being fairly new to his devils fruit, The level of skill he demonstrated at using it was next to only Lucci, It isn't an exaggeration to say that he had the best display of his devils fruit. Only DJ kicks could break Jyabra's tekkai, even then Sanji had to risk the fight by letting himself get hit, in order to ensure his victory. Had he failed to land the blow, the result might have been different as Sanji would lose the means to break through Jyabra's tekkai. Zoro was never forced as much in his fight. Kaku had so many attacks that are more destructive than anything Jyabra had at El, some of them are impossible to dodge. The battle lasted almost twice as long as Sanji's and they ended up cutting the largest building at EL in half, destroyed a floor and half destroyed another floor. Only fight which caused that much destruction was Luffy's. Kaku had the attack with best destructive force among CP9, and Zoro overwhelmed it like it was nothing with his own. Even Sanji did not have such power, let alone Jyabra. You have to read EL again.
For one jabra even stated what's up with his kicks feeling them even while using tekkai and zoro never broke through kaku's tekkai he could've with lion song but kaku dodged it and chopper stated that carnivorous zoan fruits are more powerful when he first seen lucci transform not only that jabra had more experience with his devil fruit kaku just got his. Your saying cause kaku is a swordsman all his attacks are lethal in yet zoro is alive after taking them all so what high level fighter all have lethal attacks so that was pointless to even say.
You say that kaku was more durable then jabra kaku took one hit and lost yea his durability must be off the charts and jabra was the only cp9 member who can you tekkai while moving. So durability goes to jabra and sanji didn't have to risk the fight by letting himself get hit he took his attack to end the fight right then and there was that supposed to show a weakness zoro struggled badly when those 2 guy kaku and jabra physical strength had a difference of two marine fodder soldiers. You said zoro wasn't forced to take a hit to when because he couldn't dodge any attack kaku was destroying zoro and zoro and kaku didn't cut any building in half that was kaku alone
Kaku and jabra were literally equals 2200 to 2180 doriki while one had a superior devil fruit and experience with his and an already badly injured sanji owned his opponent almost mid diff while zoro struggled a lot but of course non factual excuse are made for zoro talking about kaku was more powerful then jabra get out of here and that doriki doesnt even count the power from a devil fruit but since zoro struggled so much and sanji didn't then there's no way they can be close in power smh that's really sad
But why Kaku and Jyabura though? Aren't there any other examples out there? What about something more relevant to today perhaps? Everything regarding Sanji and Zoro somehow turns into Kaku vs Jyabura. Tired argument.
Lol There aren't any examples other then those not until they fight commanders of yonkous we will have all the answers we need in wano after zoro and sanji fight a calamity each guys who share the same title relative equals their performances in those fights will finally end all of this back in forth won't be any excuse that will answer everything I know zoro and sanji are equal I will either be proven right or wrong in wano can't wait lol
I'll be praying for Sanji feats with you don't worry. He desperately needs them atm.
But you won't accept Zoro > Sanji as an answer no matter what you see, clear proof of that is right now Zoro has the better feats, and you still can't admit that.
Lmao I knew you wouldn't hesitate to take a shot but now that I think about it I really don't believe zoro and sanji will beat a calamity one on one I think they might team up against the strongest one think about it they haven't fought anyone that made them push themselves since the timeskip which means their first real fight in the new world will be against the commanders of yonkous if they were to beat a calamity each that would mean that zoro and sanji after training were stronger then luffy because even he can't beat doflamingo or a yonkou commander one on one but the first time zoro or sanji fights one they win that wouldn't make sense. Unless oda pulls some crazy OP power up for both.
I was just commenting on you being proven right or wrong. If what I see from the current you (equating inferior feats to superior feats) means anything, then I can't believe that statement one bit because it would only mean you would find another way to repeat what you are doing here.
For example, Luffy has superior feats with G4. You don't see any one saying Zoro is = Luffy featwise. Yet Zoro the same way has superior feats > Sanji, but you have some challenged people forcing Hell's memories = Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai. I have no reason to believe anything will change in the future even if this trend continues.
What then if you find out in the future Hell's memories was nothing special and Sanji has something else that easily surpasses it? Then all of a sudden those who were saying Hell's memories = ISDS would find refuge in that other feat to claim Sanji = Zoro, and disregard Hell's memory. The goal is to keep Sanji = to Zoro regardless of what the two of them show on panel.
It's another thing entirely to say Sanji is on Zoro's level but he hasn't shown it yet. (Fun fact Sanji and Zoro are both my top 2-3 One Piece characters, I wouldn't have the man in my sig if I didn't like him, but it's undeniable right now who has the better feats)
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I view them just as you do so my question for you have you ever deemed them equal after many portrayals by oda of equal standing between them even after kaku and jabra did you deem zoro and sanji in anyway shape or form equal ?
After EL specifically? Yes. But I can only say what I see at the moment, during that arc I saw them as near equals. Because quite simply, that's what the feats and portrayal at that time dictated. Just like right now post timeskip the feats and portrayal dictates otherwise.
It's a really simple way of looking at things, letting the manga speak for itself. I mean sure there will always be ambiguous topics, but clear cut feats can never be ambiguous. Right now you can say Oda himself is wanking Zoro, not allowing him to look bad whatsoever, blame him not the spectators of this story who can only believe what they are being led to believe.
But again that's not true before the timeskip in regards to raw physical strength sanji had far greater feats then zoro but in yet zoro was seen as stronger how ?
- Sanji flips a giant Oarz over with one anti manner kick Course
- Sanji deflects Oarz's gomu no Bazooka attack with just his diable jamble
- sanji kicks a massive chain around Oarz
- Sanji kicks a falling giant back up to his feet
In the case of raw strength zoro had no feats that could even compare to these in yet sanji was weaker then zoro by the majority you say let the manga speak for it self but if it speaks in favor of sanji it is either ignored or down played even if the feats are in favor of sanji he will always be deemed weaker until Oda just out right say they are equal and even then it will be ignored smh
No disrespect man, but how can you not see what ToshiZO is saying?
At this current point in the story, Zoro is shown by Oda to be stronger than Sanji. but that won't take anything away from future presentation and future feats. ToshiZO, just like you, and most of us I hope, really want Oda to give Sanji some epic feats again. And as soon as Oda delivers (which I'm sure he will) we will all give Sanji the proper respect and acknowledgement. However, IF Oda still happens to show Zoro as a stronger character, then it won't be our fault for calling it as we see it.
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Vandenre1ch
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Zoro has always been and always will be stronger than Sanji. It is the gap between them that is discussed and to me, the gap between Luffy & Zoro is the same as Zoro & Sanji. Its makes me debate is that people think Zoro is on another level than Sanji and is stronger than G2/G3 Luffy.
People only starting saying that after Luffy showed G4 and used it as an excuse along with "Zoro has more DC!" So? Zoro had more DC than Luffy for almost the entire series.
Actually you can check some forums the chapter Zoro beat Pica, people started questioning if Luffy was even stronger than Zoro and were complaining Oda had taken it too far with Zoro's untouchable persona. Nobody including me expected Zoro to handle Pica the way he did, we all projected Pica being a hyped top executive would finally give Zoro his first challenge in the New World, but instead Zoro ended up making Pica look like a fodder.
No I understand what he is saying and he is right at this current point zoro has a better feat but my point is that feats mean nothing or more so nothing for sanji because pre timeskip sanji had greater feats then zoro in yet he like it was just said zoro has always been stronger then sanji so I don't understand how when it comes to raw physical strength sanji had better feats pre timeskip but has always been deemed weaker how does that work ? When feats are the end all be all for you guys and yet when they favor sanji they mean nothing and or completely ignored ?