[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro

[ToshiZO]

It took G3 to take out an arrogant Chinjao who tried matching the blow instead of dodging. Again, Luffy was using G2 the entire fight. Stop downplaying characters because they are not Zoro and you hate Sanji(if you can claim people are Zoro haters because they disagree with you, I can do the same).

Downplaying characters lol?

Do you know where this argument started from? You calling Chinjao a weakling and me saying otherwise. Shade Masa quoted me defending Chinjao....

You were literally downplaying Chinjao to downplay Zoro, how are you gonna call me out on downplaying?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Downplaying characters lol?

Do you know where this argument started from? You calling Chinjao a weakling and me saying otherwise. Shade Masa quoted me defending Chinjao....

You were literally downplaying Chinjao to downplay Zoro, how are you gonna call me out on downplaying?

So....Don Chinjao going from fight G2 Luffy equally to getting crushed by Lao G due to his illness isn't an example of getting weaker? Anything you don't like is downplaying I guess.

 

[ToshiZO]

So....Don Chinjao going from fight G2 Luffy equally to getting crushed by Lao G due to his illness isn't an example of getting weaker? Anything you don't like is downplaying I guess.

This is why I have a problem with you in this thread.

Stop generalizing things and glossing over the main point of the posts. DCJ DC increased after his fight with Luffy. That Conehead DCJ's attack power is what you brought up to try and downplay Zoro.

Now if you believe round head Chinjao > Drillhead Chinjao in terms of attack power, go ahead and believe that.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

This is why I have a problem with you in this thread.

Stop generalizing things and glossing over the main point of the posts. DCJ DC increased after his fight with Luffy. That Conehead DCJ's attack power is what you brought up to try and downplay Zoro.

Now if you believe round head Chinjao > Drillhead Chinjao in terms of attack power, go ahead and believe that.

You did that to almost every person who debated against you in this thread.

Anyways, you come off as a hypocrite as it seems you didn't read my old post yet you cry about others supposedly not reading yours. I said a weakened Chinjao was able to destroy a huge chunk of Pica's arm and if he was healthy, he'd be able to destroy an entire arm by himself. It was to show that you were overrating Zoro's feat of cutting stone, a substance our MCs was cutting & smashing even before Loguetown.

You also contradict yourself once again. You say Chinjao=Base Luffy and an even weaker version of Chinjao was able to destroy a large chunk of Pica's arm & Sai countered Chinjao's drillhead. Your own statement downplays Zoro. Besides, you claim people are downplaying him but have you ever considered that your overplaying him? Its just like you saying Zoro has the DC to destroy a biscuit soldier & G4's attacks is own another level to Zoro's. A biscuit soldier can withstand some attacks from G4 and it took Luffy's 2nd best attack to destroy it. You thereby indirectly claim that Zoro & G4 Luffy's attacks are the same level. How can you not notice such simple & obvious contradiction?

 

[ToshiZO]

You did that to almost every person who debated against you in this thread.

Anyways, you come off as a hypocrite as it seems you didn't read my old post yet you cry about others supposedly not reading yours. I said a weakened Chinjao was able to destroy a huge chunk of Pica's arm and if he was healthy, he'd be able to destroy an entire arm by himself. It was to show that you were overrating Zoro's feat of cutting stone, a substance our MCs was cutting & smashing even before Loguetown.

You also contradict yourself once again. You say Chinjao=Base Luffy and an even weaker version of Chinjao was able to destroy a large chunk of Pica's arm & Sai countered Chinjao's drillhead. Your own statement downplays Zoro. Besides, you claim people are downplaying him but have you ever considered that your overplaying him?

Again you are generalizing. I'm starting to wonder if you're only watching yourself type.

Stop this whole weakened Chinjao deal. 1 category which increased after his fight against Luffy. His attack power. That is it. That's all that needs to be said here.

Its just like you saying Zoro has the DC to destroy a biscuit soldier & G4's attacks is own another level to Zoro's. A biscuit soldier can withstand some attacks from G4 and it took Luffy's 2nd best attack to destroy it. You thereby indirectly claim that Zoro & G4 Luffy's attacks are the same level. How can you not notice such simple & obvious contradiction?

As promised, I'm ignoring this.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Zoro and Sanji both lose. Zoro also would low-med diff Sanji.

 

[A v i]

By feats i can understand, but which portrayal are you referring to?

My bad, what I meant by portrayal is, the display of their respective fighting capabilities thus far in the series.

Arlong pre-skip was more durable than a stone column that's far greater in size than himself. With that in mind, it's fully logical for someone more durable than Arlong and similar in size to Pica's golem to be more durable than the golem. Wada took a Gear 2 punch and only had his tooth broken. That makes him wayyyy more durable than Arlong, who's more durable than stone constructs many times his size. I'm sure you can put 2 and 2 together from there.

How does that logic even work? You do understand that Arlong can take much more damage than the entities that are much larger than himself? You can't seriously ascertain a characters durability based on it's size. That's ridiculous.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Zoro and Sanji both lose. Zoro also would low-med diff Sanji.

Your ignorance knows no bounds smh these 2 guys will fight the same tier guys have always fought the same tier guys zoro and sanji will both fight calamities and sweet commanders and will each fight an admiral all guys that are on the same tier so if zoro low to mid diffs sanji he will do the same to the guys I've listed so it will just be simple to say zoro will be the strongest character ever EOS man I know zoro fans are the most delusional fans ever but you took it to another dumbass level sheesh

 

[A v i]

Your ignorance knows no bounds smh these 2 guys will fight the same tier guys have always fought the same tier guys zoro and sanji will both fight calamities and sweet commanders and will each fight an admiral all guys that are on the same tier so if zoro low to mid diffs sanji he will do the same to the guys I've listed so it will just be simple to say zoro will be the strongest character ever EOS man I know zoro fans are the most delusional fans ever but you took it to another dumbass level sheesh

Except for a few special cases where Zoro couldn't fight at his best, Zoro's opponents has always been significantly stronger than Sanji's.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Except for a few special cases where Zoro couldn't fight at his best, Zoro's opponents has always been significantly stronger than Sanji's.

Please enlighten me where has oda ever stated this or show me in the manga where this was said because I can guarantee you lol never be able to show me that because Kaku was significantly stronger then jabra and zoro struggle badly sanji ended jabra almost with no problem and he was badly injured so yea please enlighten me ?

 

[A v i]

Please enlighten me where has oda ever stated this or show me in the manga where this was said because I can guarantee you lol never be able to show me that because Kaku was significantly stronger then jabra and zoro struggle badly sanji ended jabra almost with no problem and he was badly injured so yea please enlighten me ?

You said for yourself that Kaku was significantly stronger than Jyabra, that's why Zoro struggled more than Sanji. By the way, Sanji exhausted all of his options to end the fight, So I am not sure why you talk as if it was an easy match for him.

 

[RJ22BIG]

You said for yourself that Kaku was significantly stronger than Jyabra, that's why Zoro struggled more than Sanji. By the way, Sanji exhausted all of his options to end the fight, So I am not sure why you talk as if it was an easy match for him.

Sanji exhausted all of his options sanji's attacks was hitting jabra so hard that his tekkai couldn't even negate them and they were base kicks jabra got him mad and he used diable jambe but zoro was the one who exhausted all his options he literally every attack he knew lmao he could do nothing against kaku and finally pulled that last attack almost out of then air 2 guy who had a difference of physical strength of 2 fodder marine soldiers and jabra had a carnivorous devil fruit and sanji still beat him with near no problem will injured you literally lost any case you could possibly make try that bs with someone who doesn't know the manga I'm the wrong person bud

 

[HashiraMadara]

Base, injured Sanji was fighting evenly with base Vergo. Wow, such bad portrayal.

> Calls a cracking leg even,
>calls Zoro countering Issho humiliated :|

 

[HashiraMadara]

The fight against Cracker made clear that in terms of raw power the ranking is as follows:

Luffy >>> Zoro >> Sanji

If you claim anything other than that you're wanking too hard.

I am glad the "it's debateable" shit stopped

 

[Bogard]

My internet time ran out yesterday, so let's do it quick this time

Yeah but Pica wasn't a mountain. he was a hill.

Even the thing he was standing right next to was called Flower hill XD.

First mistake. You underestimate Pica's height as well as the King's plateau while having no knowledge on what the actual flower hill was. Nope the thing next to him wasn't the actual flower the hill. The flower hill was the elevation that was placed on top of the mountain high elevation by Pica during the birdcage event alongside the royal palace

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It was near the kings plateau before and like you can see the kings' plateau dwarfs it(and pay in mind the picture is looking from the flower hill perspective, so it's actually even much smaller than that)

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And the king's plateau was carrying the big city the royal palace came from

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So all in all we have a royal palace(which is pretty big) which was tiny in comparison to the flower hill which in itself was tiny in comparison to the royal plateau whom the golem is 2 times in terms of height from. And we know a mountain is a bigger elevation than a hill. Still doesn't have the height of a mountain to you?

Besides he was standing in the middle of a town. How many cities do you know that can fit a 5 KM high mountain in the center ?

Another mistake lol. First of all, mountains are generally not that much bigger than cities in terms of length. Infact i can list you multiple cities which are as large as a mountain if not even larger including your Burj khalifa example you so love which is located in the city of dubai whose metropolis area alone is more than 4,000km2. Secondly i said that Pica's golem is that big in height, not in width. Pica's golem isn't 5km large, so nothing wrong in a smaller city fitting it. And dude dares call someone with his pretty shitty scalings understanding and knowledge in general

Didn't want to bother with the rest of your blabla

Pointy head Chinjao doesn't have greater DC than G2/G3 Luffy at all or Loa G wouldn't have beaten his soo badly.

Don't make the 'continent splitting' sound more impressive than it actually is, Don Sai is someone capable of that same feat now and since you like to quote calcs Don Sai's kick only pegs him at small city level. Chinjao admitted on top of his old age and ilness he strength dropped massively after the Luffy fight, hence why he got beat by/was losing to someone weaker than Trebol and Diamnate.


So no, old sick Chinjao is not as half as strong as you made him out to be.

As already mentioned having greater DC ≠Being stronger overall. "Continent splitting" is the name is was given to it, so what did you want me to call it? What if Don Sai's kicking feat was "only" small city level? Luffy's grizzly magnum is town level which is lower than a city and it's his strongest one hit attack in g2/3, let alone Sanji

Also Prime Chinjao's ice splitting attack was in the gigatons range, obviously far beyond anything current Sai as well as his current capabilities displayed. Though in the Pica feat, he was also helped by a mini king punch which has pretty big hype too

 

[Punk Hazard]

> Calls a cracking leg even,
>calls Zoro countering Issho humiliated :|

They were parrying each other's blows evenly.

Yes, humiliated. Fujitora had him on a knee breathing hard with one attack and he didn't even break a sweat. I like how you still haven't pointed out where I said Wada>Pica.

 

[HashiraMadara]

They were parrying each other's blows evenly.

Yes, humiliated. Fujitora had him on a knee breathing hard with one attack and he didn't even break a sweat.

Ladies and gentlemen read that :sdo:

I like how you still haven't pointed out where I said Wada>Pica.

Reread what I said, you said Wada body > Golem in hopes of saying Sanji's attack was better implying Wada body > Golem Pica :|

 

[Love Cook]

My internet time ran out yesterday, so let's do it quick this time
First mistake. You underestimate Pica's height as well as the King's plateau while having no knowledge on what the actual flower hill was. Nope the thing next to him wasn't the actual flower the hill. The flower hill was the elevation that was placed on top of the mountain high elevation by Pica during the birdcage event alongside the royal palace

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It was near the kings plateau before and like you can see the kings' plateau dwarfs it(and pay in mind the picture is looking from the flower hill perspective, so it's actually even much smaller than that)

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And the king's plateau was carrying the big city the royal palace came from

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So all in all we have a royal palace(which is pretty big) which was tiny in comparison to the flower hill which in itself was tiny in comparison to the royal plateau whom the golem is 2 times in terms of height from. And we know a mountain is a bigger elevation than a hill. Still doesn't have the height of a mountain to you?

Another mistake lol. First of all, mountains are generally not that much bigger than cities in terms of length. Infact i can list you multiple cities which are as large as a mountain if not even larger including your Burj khalifa example you so love which is located in the city of dubai whose metropolis area alone is more than 4,000km2. Secondly i said that Pica's golem is that big in height, not in width. Pica's golem isn't 5km large, so nothing wrong in a smaller city fitting it. And dude dares call someone with his pretty shitty scalings understanding and knowledge in general

Didn't want to bother with the rest of your blabla

Yes I was talking about the height not about the width. It is impossible for Pica to be 5KM tall. Just look at the detail on the hill and the palace. You can clearly see how big it is in terms of other buildings.

The entire plateau stacked together and is like a half skyscraper so Pica is about 1 skyscraper. Yet you keep claiming he is 13.5 WTC's tall. How does that even fit under the bird cage ? Are you stupid ?

Yes your understanding of scales is fucking abysmal, it's the worst. You're either a bad troll, or stuck in a corner because you don't want to admit your retarded mistake. I can't imagine that someone is this bad at making an educated guess.

 

[Punk Hazard]

My bad, what I meant by portrayal is, the display of their respective fighting capabilities thus far in the series.



How does that logic even work? You do understand that Arlong can take much more damage than the entities that are much larger than himself? You can't seriously ascertain a characters durability based on it's size. That's ridiculous.

I'll break it down for you since it's obvious I'm dealing with children.

Alabasta Zoro was more durable than large stone structures many times his size and density.
Arlong was more durable than large stone structures many times his size and density.

This establishes that something being huge and made of stone is not enough proof that it's more durable than something it's bigger than.

Wadatsumi is far more durable than either Arlong or Alabasta Zoro, so it stands to reason that he too is more durable than stone structures bigger than himself. Which would include Pica's golem, which he is closer in size to than Zoro and Arlong were to the stone structures they were more durable than.

 

[Bogard]

Yes I was talking about the height not about the width. It is impossible for Pica to be 5KM tall. Just look at the detail on the hill and the palace. You can clearly see how big it is in terms of other buildings.

You mean this?

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The entire plateau stacked together and is like a half skyscraper so Pica is about 1 skyscraper. Yet you keep claiming he is 13.5 WTC's tall. How does that even fit under the bird cage ? Are you stupid ?

The only thing you keep crying about is Pica can't be this high, nya nya instead of actually showing arguments for why he couldn't be this high simply because you don't want him to be this high, that's all. Manga scaling says otherwise however, so you can continue to cry me a river for all you want

Yes your understanding of scales is fucking abysmal, it's the worst. You're either a bad troll, or stuck in a corner because you don't want to admit your retarded mistake. I can't imagine that someone is this bad at making an educated guess.

The irony