[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro

[RJ22BIG]

Again stop shifting the argument to featless characters, I don't care what you think Ben Beckman has. Vergo has shown all he had to show, his time is over in this manga.

If you don't know how Vergo beats Pica, just say so. No need to beat around the bush.

I already said how vergo would beat pica but you said you didn't like it if vergo observation Haki locks in on pica and vergo already knows sky walk so if he speed blitz pica and knocks him out of the golem it's game over vergo ends him with his next attack we already know he has the strength to knock him out of the golem and or break parts of it. When vergo hit smoker with his demon bamboo attack it was a close combat attack but the shock wave was able to break the metal area meters away yet again give you a step by step in which this becomes possible but you'll say differently... also one could say one on one zoro couldn't beat pica because pica could run away in his golem you even said zoro's long range attacks couldn't reach him if that dude didn't throws zoro at pica zoro could fight pica at that distance or get close enough but just ignore this last part focus on are current topic agree or disagree?

 

[ToshiZO]

I already said how vergo would beat pica but you said you didn't like it if vergo observation Haki locks in on pica and vergo already knows sky walk so if he speed blitz pica and knocks him out of the golem it's game over vergo ends him with his next attack we already know he has the strength to knock him out of the golem and or break parts of it. When vergo hit smoker with his demon bamboo attack it was a close combat attack but the shock wave was able to break the metal area meters away yet again give you a step by step in which this becomes possible but you'll say differently... also one could say one on one zoro couldn't beat pica because pica could run away in his golem you even said zoro's long range attacks couldn't reach him if that dude didn't throws zoro at pica zoro could fight pica at that distance or get close enough but just ignore this last part focus on are current topic agree or disagree?

Because your argument makes no sense and it wouldn't work. Speed blitz Pica? That's your argument? Pica would just blend with the stone and move to another place on his golem. Luffy tried attacking Pica, he failed, Zoro tried many times and Pica kept moving positions, Vergo is not speed blitzing anything, Pica is island sized and can use any part of his body to move around on.


Btw 1v1 Zoro could beat Pica IF Pica was fighting him. Pica walked away from Zoro to kill others, that has nothing to do with a 1v1, Zoro doesn't need to be thrown by anyone to beat Pica. He needed to be thrown in the manga to save everyone.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Because your argument makes no sense and it wouldn't work. Speed blitz Pica? That's your argument? Pica would just blend with the stone and move to another place on his golem. Luffy tried attacking Pica, he failed, Zoro tried many times and Pica kept moving positions, Vergo is not speed blitzing anything, Pica is island sized and can use any part of his body to move around on.


Btw 1v1 Zoro could beat Pica IF Pica was fighting him. Pica walked away from Zoro to kill others, that has nothing to do with a 1v1, Zoro doesn't need to be thrown by anyone to beat Pica. He needed to be thrown in the manga to save everyone.

Bro observation Haki tells the user what the opponents next move would be and then attack accordingly and from what you said when zoro cut pica's statue pica could've just kept moving around in the statue in the air he chose to come out when he could've hidden until the stones hit the ground and simply regenerate why didn't he because of the plot the fight would've never ended same could be said for vergo all he has to do is fight until pica comes out and vergo would end that fodder trash. this is stupid because no matter what you'll just ignore the logic and just say the first thing that pops into your head let's be real pica is trash vergo is far above him with out his devil fruit pica vs zoro would've been top 5 most boring fights of all time he would've just gotten one shotted from the start instead oda prolonged the fight by having pica run away the whole time the only part that was interesting was zoro cutting the statue pica is fodder simple as that

 

[ToshiZO]

Bro observation Haki tells the user what the opponents next move would be and then attack accordingly and from what you said when zoro cut pica's statue pica could've just kept moving around in the statue in the air he chose to come out when he could've hidden until the stones hit the ground and simply regenerate why didn't he because of the plot the fight would've never ended same could be said for vergo all he has to do is fight until pica comes out and vergo would end that fodder trash. this is stupid because no matter what you'll just ignore the logic and just say the first thing that pops into your head let's be real pica is trash vergo is far above him with out his devil fruit pica vs zoro would've been top 5 most boring fights of all time he would've just gotten one shotted from the start instead oda prolonged the fight by having pica run away the whole time the only part that was interesting was zoro cutting the statue pica is fodder simple as that

No because Zoro forced him to come out by Isolating him in the air. All of this happened in the air.

 

[RJ22BIG]

No because Zoro forced him to come out by Isolating him in the air. All of this happened in the air.

Man it's like talking to a wall, Jesus man zoro first clashed with pica's real body when pica tried to attack luffy zoro's Haki beat picas Haki so zoro could've defeated pica from the start pica just kept running if he attacked pica with Haki from the start pica dies the second he went for luffy so there wouldn't be a golem scene the second pica is out of his golem against vergo he is a dead man and pica can't do any damage to vergo in that golem because he can't catch him and vergo can fly so if pica wanted to fight vergo it would be outside of the golem where pica would be yet again fodderized and if you even try to argue this it just mean you ignore logic just so you don't have to admit your wrong and you know you are smh

 

[ToshiZO]

Man it's like talking to a wall, Jesus man zoro first clashed with pica's real body when pica tried to attack luffy zoro's Haki beat picas Haki so zoro could've defeated pica from the start pica just kept running if he attacked pica with Haki from the start pica dies the second he went for luffy so there wouldn't be a golem scene the second pica is out of his golem against vergo he is a dead man and pica can't do any damage to vergo in that golem because he can't catch him and vergo can fly so if pica wanted to fight vergo it would be outside of the golem where pica would be yet again fodderized and if you even try to argue this it just mean you ignore logic just so you don't have to admit your wrong and you know you are smh

Yes you're assuming Pica is out of his golem, he won't be. He runs to his golem and problem solved.

 

[Skull Knight]

Okay all vergo has to do is knock pica out of his golem with great enough observation Haki

Vergo had Observation Haki???:elmo:

 

[RJ22BIG]

Yes you're assuming Pica is out of his golem, he won't be. He runs to his golem and problem solved.

Yea bro honestly your helpless it's literally like talking to a wall you say ridiculous things and then say even more nonsense to cover your ass I give up you can't even admit to your wrongs smh vergo can't beat pica sabo can't beat pica smh I guess I really have to thank god that oda is writing one piece and not you because if you were then no body could beat pica unless your a swordsman who can throw flying slashes smh you have a good night bud I'm done here

Vergo had Observation Haki???:elmo:

Yes he does he a vice admiral and it was stated that all vice admiral have Haki

 

[Skull Knight]

Yes he does he a vice admiral and it was stated that all vice admiral have Haki

show me Manga scans or it will be consider as fanfic

I've never seen Ben Beckmann fight but he looks like a hand to hand fighter him and lucky ro

Just sayin ben beckman and Lucky ro uses guns as their primary weapons.

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[ToshiZO]

vergo can't beat pica

See that's not so hard. Instead of forcing desperate arguments, this was what you should have done to begin with.

Vergo had Observation Haki???:elmo:

Lmfao I even allowed him to use that as a point "great observation haki" you see how lenient I am? Nothing says Vergo's observation haki is great, or even if its better than Pica's. Not like it matters anyway.

 

[RJ22BIG]

show me Manga scans or it will be consider as fanfic




Just sayin ben beckman and Lucky ro uses guns as their primary weapons.

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Come on man when been Beckmann took out those mountain bandits he was swinging his shotgun like a club and in lucky roo's case a pistols isn't his primary means of combat even doflamingo used a pistol and doflamingo fights hand to hand with unison with his devil fruit I'll be willing to bet that lucky roo is a close combat kind of guy

See that's not so hard. Instead of forcing desperate arguments, this was what you should have done to begin with.


Lmfao I even allowed him to use that as a point "great observation haki" you see how lenient I am? Nothing says Vergo's observation haki is great, or even if its better than Pica's. Not like it matters anyway.

Dude you are really sad that's what you quoted from me smh I gues sarcasm is new to you and please quote it all or it's just pathetic I never said vergo's observation Haki was so great I said he could use it to locate pica that's all man your sad smh

 

[Skull Knight]

Come on man when been Beckmann took out those mountain bandits he was swinging his shotgun like a club and in lucky roo's case a pistols isn't his primary means of combat even doflamingo used a pistol and doflamingo fights hand to hand with unison with his devil fruit I'll be willing to bet that lucky roo is a close combat kind of guy

but u r missing the point Doffy was a df user that's why he doesnt use his pistols much(still he used them on Corazon and Law), on the other hand Ben Beckman threatened Kizaru wit his pistol and Lucky roo who knows(if he is not a df user then he definately uses pistols as his primary weapon like Ben Beckman and Yassop).

 

[RJ22BIG]

but u r missing the point Doffy was a df user that's why he doesnt use his pistols much(still he used them on Corazon and Law), on the other hand Ben Beckman threatened Kizaru wit his pistol and Lucky roo who knows(if he is not a df user then he definately uses pistols as his primary weapon like Ben Beckman and Yassop).

I'm sorry but it is you sir who is missing the point just because you use a pistol doesn't mean that is your main fighting style even black beard and Jesus burgess and other members of the black beard pirates used pistols to attack white beard and I'm 100% sure a pistol isn't Jesus burgesses main fighting style and he doesn't have a devil fruit and teach does and both used pistols that's my point sanji can use knives and has been trained in swordsmanship and in yet doesn't use those skills as his main fighting style

 

[Skull Knight]

I'm sorry but it is you sir who is missing the point just because you use a pistol doesn't mean that is your main fighting style even black beard and Jesus burgess and other members of the black beard pirates used pistols to attack white beard and I'm 100% sure a pistol isn't Jesus burgesses main fighting style and he doesn't have a devil fruit and teach does and both used pistols that's my point sanji can use knives and has been trained in swordsmanship and in yet doesn't use those skills as his main fighting style

U r still arguing this?
Beckman was shown multiple times wit guns in manga as well as in anime. You yourself accepted that he used his guns as club when he was fighting bandits and he threatened a Admiral wit his gun. If his primary weapon is not guns then Shanks is not a swordsman.

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And your BB example is very bad. we haven't seen how these guys fight except Van Augur who is a sniper,BB who used to fight wit guns and claw like things before he ate his df and Shiryu who is a swordsman.
Only once all of them used guns(that too because nobody wants to go near WB's range) but Ben Beckman was shown wit guns multiple times(both in manga and anime). Lucky roo(we dont have much info about that guy)

 

[HashiraMadara]

That was just Sanji goading on Wadatsumi.



Fighters in the OP world have been shown to be stronger than stone all the way back in the Arlong Saga. Arlong could crush a stone pillar, something heavier, denser, and "more durable" than his hand, just by gripping it. Luffy could destroy stone pillars easily with one punch, and still needed to clobber Arlong to knock him down. What that means is, the body of Arlong was far stronger than a stone column, needing more energy exerted to generate the force to break him. And Wadatsumi is FAR, FAR stronger than Arlong was then, taking a direct Gear 2 punch from Luffy and only suffering a broken tooth(by comparison, one Gear 2 punch destroyed a Pacifista, which pre-skip Zoro that was cutting stone since Alabasta couldn't even scratch). So this argument that stone>Wadatsumi's flesh doesn't apply to the universe of the manga.



Except Pica. Pica isn't made of stone, he's just inside of it. If Sanji's fire spreads throughout inside of the golem, as it would by the nature of fire-based kicks, even if the stone largely is unaffected, Pica is still flesh and blood. Superheated stones=molten earth covering Pica's body, which isn't good for even the best fighter.

So many excuses instead of counter arguments, my God! Pica >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wadatsumi in both fighting and Haki. What Sanji did was just kick a flesh with no fighting skills meanwhile Zoro by passed Rock, haki etc to finish Pica

 

[HashiraMadara]

2. Arlong pre-skip was more durable than a stone column that's far greater in size than himself. With that in mind, it's fully logical for someone more durable than Arlong and similar in size to Pica's golem to be more durable than the golem. Wada took a Gear 2 punch and only had his tooth broken. That makes him wayyyy more durable than Arlong, who's more durable than stone constructs many times his size. I'm sure you can put 2 and 2 together from there.

Son, you're retarded. A Haki fighter is less durable than a fodder fishman that got one shotted by a f*cking Kraken on its first stage??? You think Wada would even make it as a Mingo executive in terms of Power?? You think Chanjoa < Wada as Pica is the last Executive to be defeated meaning excluding Vergo he's the strongest Executive?? GTFOH :|

 

[A v i]

According to the portrayal thus far in the series; Even if the both of them were to fight him with Nami as a backup, they'd still lose it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Son, you're retarded. A Haki fighter is less durable than a fodder fishman that got one shotted by a f*cking Kraken on its first stage??? You think Wada would even make it as a Mingo executive in terms of Power?? You think Chanjoa < Wada as Pica is the last Executive to be defeated meaning excluding Vergo he's the strongest Executive?? GTFOH :|

Where did I say Wadatsumi was more durable than Pica's Haki-infused body? Or did I say he was more durable than the stone golem? Careful how you throw around the word retarded. You never know when you'll hit yourself, but this is one of those times.

 

[Kingu]

Why is everyone denying that Zoro has a chance of slice through Crackers defence??

 

[HashiraMadara]

Where did I say Wadatsumi was more durable than Pica's Haki-infused body? Or did I say he was more durable than the stone golem? Careful how you throw around the word retarded. You never know when you'll hit yourself, but this is one of those times.

uh Look at that,

> Makes an argument that Wadatsumi's body is more durable than stone golem in hopes of saying his body is > Pica, even references to G2...
> Gets confronted about it
> Nit picks that he wasn't directly saying it...

Seems legit