Gai and Kisame vs Minato and Itachi

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Location: Gai vs 30% Kisame
Intel: Full
Distance: 60 meters
Restrictions: Reaper Death Seal. Itachi's sickness will not have him coughing up blood. 8th Gate. Frog Song.
 

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Team two wins this most likely.
 

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team 1 all the way even though kisame cant handle minato or itachi unless he goes into his shark form,but 8 gates guy should do the trick
as long as kisame backs him up with his suiton
 

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Could be debated either way, but I'm leaning more towards Team 1 mostly because of how much a problem Gai can be on his own, and Kisame as well if he is allowed to set up the lake and fuse.

7G Gai won't be touched above the surface, and Kisamehada can't be touched below it. This is an unhealthy Itachi with diminished reaction speed and stamina, who will be forced to keep Susano'o activated to protect himself from 7G Gai; yet Kisame poses a problem to Susano'o from below the surface, especially with GSB. Basically he'll be relying on Minato throughout the whole fight, who can't tag anything or spread around his Kunai's without them sinking to the bottom of the lake, so avoiding Gai and Kisamehada for long isn't going to be an easy feat either. Boss summons only help so much to prolong the fight, but don't really accomplish much at the end of the day. The more I think about it, the more I like Team 1's chances better.
 

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Could be debated either way, but I'm leaning more towards Team 1 mostly because of how much a problem Gai can be on his own, and Kisame as well if he is allowed to set up the lake and fuse.

7G Gai won't be touched above the surface, and Kisamehada can't be touched below it. This is an unhealthy Itachi with diminished reaction speed and stamina, who will be forced to keep Susano'o activated to protect himself from 7G Gai; yet Kisame poses a problem to Susano'o from below the surface, especially with GSB. Basically he'll be relying on Minato throughout the whole fight, who can't tag anything or spread around his Kunai's without them sinking to the bottom of the lake, so avoiding Gai and Kisamehada for long isn't going to be an easy feat either. Boss summons only help so much to prolong the fight, but don't really accomplish much at the end of the day. The more I think about it, the more I like Team 1's chances better.

does that water contain kisame's chakra?
 

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So what's stopping minato from teleporting him out of the water dome and into itachi's amaterasu?

I'm talking about his lake, not the WD. I thought Minato can only teleport whats in direct contact with him or his chakra. Where has this worked through a median (the water) without Minato having to also teleport the said median as well? Also, you're going to have to do better then Amaterasu. Totsuka Blade would work.
 

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I'm talking about his lake, not the WD. I thought Minato can only teleport whats in direct contact with him or his chakra. Where has this worked through a median (the water) without Minato having to also teleport the said median as well? Also, you're going to have to do better then Amaterasu. Totsuka Blade would work.

No. He wasn't in direct contact with kurama, or naruto or sasuke. Nor was tobirama in direct contact with obito's tsb's. its possible to teleport someone/something via a medium as long as said medium has the targets chakra and the target is also in contact.
 

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Team 1 should takes this. Gai the main issue.

- Kisame floods the battlefield with a massive amount of water making the battleground atypical for Minato as his kunais should sink below as it's a bit heavy . Kisame further deploys sharks to his kunais . A thousand sharks isn't an issue for him to create. Kisamaehada clones too would even have the advantage in water as well. Having sharks and Kisame clones underneath makes it a no zone for these two plus the fact that Kisame seems to be able to manipulate this water at his will and how he can change it to a dome.

- Healthy or not, Itachi isn't defeating Gai here at all. Gai has the stamina, resilience and pep to defeat Itachi as portrayed severally in the Manga:

(DB2: Even Itachi Uchiha retreats in front of Gai’s combat skills

Earned several praises from him: and so on)

Gai now with feats has canonically shown he can effectively battle the Sharingan Genjutsu like Kakashi too showed after he was taught by Gai, has shown he has the speed and reflexes to bypass the Sharingan and has shown he can react to and blow off Amaterasu. Susano'o doesn't do a thing to someone with such speed.

- Then there's the fact Samehada gives stamina in the form of chakra. That's not bad for someone like Gai who already has the endurance and stamina to keep up with these two when needed.

- Minato would most likely be made useless here but Itachi can't hold V4 as long as Gai can shuffle in between the needed Gates whenever. He'll outlast that version and once it drops to a lower version, that's death.

- Boss summons get put down by Hirudora, of course Gai using it more than once isn't a discussion based on feats alone. Plus Samehada with them here? There's no question here.

The team eventually takes it. Kisamehada clones to assist, sharks and Gai's speed and reflexes with powerful techniques. They take it unless I'm forgetting something here. Minato's teleportation is pretty much rendered useless once the battlefield is changed to Kisame's favor and the water is far far too deep. 30% Kisame used a Exploding Colliding wave and that water was this size let alone the real Kisame using Great Exploding colliding wave which would be much larger. Filling that with Sharks and Kisamehada clones make it hard for whoever goes in there and the ones that even stand on the surface
 
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No. He wasn't in direct contact with kurama, or naruto or sasuke. Nor was tobirama in direct contact with obito's tsb's. its possible to teleport someone/something via a medium as long as said medium has the targets chakra and the target is also in contact.

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Minato himself states that he can't teleport anything that he or his chakra isn't directly touching. If what you're saying is true, then Naruto wouldn't of had to also come in contact with Sasuke. Minato could just use Obito (the medium) and teleport Sasuke as well, but that wasn't shown to be possible. All those examples you listed must of had some sort of chakra contact, as Minato's statement contradicts them.

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Minato himself states that he can't teleport anything that he or his chakra isn't directly touching. If what you're saying is true, then Naruto wouldn't of had to also come in contact with Sasuke. Minato could just use Obito (the medium) and teleport Sasuke as well, but that wasn't shown to be possible. All those examples you listed must of had some sort of chakra contact, as Minato's statement contradicts them.

i.e. kisame's water.Hence me asking the question

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Teleport via naruto's chakra despite not making physical contact with naruto.

is no different than me saying:

Teleport via kisame's chakra despite not making physical contact with kisame.

And it's still selective. I.e. minato chose to teleport only naruto and sasuke despite obito making contact with both.

Same applies here. He teleports kisame only
 
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Team 2 should win this. Itachi is considerably stronger than kisame and minato can handle gai up to 7th gate. How can team 1 win then. All water constructs are blown away with susano. Minato jus need to get some kunais away from AOE of water attacks which shouldn't be a problem with clones. Itachi's explosives clones can hinder gai too. Once kunais are set up, Team 1 can't do anything to them. Susano is only needed for setting up kunais heck boss toads along with minato himself can buy them enough time to set them up. Gai can't stay in 7th gate for long lol it's worse than itachi's stamina and once that wears out he gets one shotted and kisame admits defeat as he did in canon.
 

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i.e. kisame's water.Hence me asking the question

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Teleport via naruto's chakra despite not making physical contact with naruto.

is no different than me saying:

Teleport via kisame's chakra despite not making physical contact with kisame.

And it's still selective. I.e. minato chose to teleport only naruto and sasuke despite obito making contact with both.

Same applies here. He teleports kisame only

Right, but the difference is that chakra is apart of Naruto. Kisames Suiton chakra isn't apart of him, it's only in contact with him. Contact with a medium isn't direct contact, which is the requirement for Minato's teleportation. Again, if what you're saying holds true it wouldn't of been necessary for Naruto to also grab Sasuke as well. The contact medium was Obito, likewise with Kisames suiton.

Is Minato or his chakra ever in direct contact with Kisame? The answer is no. So what you're suggesting doesn't meet the requirement that Minato explicitly stated for this to work.
 
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I think Minato and Itachi can win this. Susanoo can throw Minato's kunais far outside the battlefield. When Kisame makes a lake, Minato drains it with S/T barrier and teleports the water outside the battlefield. Without water dome to protect him, Kisame can quickly be taken down. If Minato teleports Itachi right in front of Gai which he can, Itachi can cast Tsukuyomi on Gai and end the fight.
 

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I think Minato and Itachi can win this. Susanoo can throw Minato's kunais far outside the battlefield. When Kisame makes a lake, Minato drains it with S/T barrier and teleports the water outside the battlefield. Without water dome to protect him, Kisame can quickly be taken down. If Minato teleports Itachi right in front of Gai which he can, Itachi can cast Tsukuyomi on Gai and end the fight.

No just no.
 

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Right, but the difference is that chakra is apart of Naruto. Kisames Suiton chakra isn't apart of him, it's only in contact with him. Contact with a medium isn't direct contact, which is the requirement for Minato's teleportation. Again, if what you're saying holds true it wouldn't of been necessary for Naruto to also grab Sasuke as well. The contact medium was Obito, likewise with Kisames suiton.

Is Minato or his chakra ever in direct contact with Kisame? The answer is no. So what you're suggesting doesn't meet the requirement that Minato explicitly stated for this to work.

how is kisame's chakra not apart of kisame? he's in contact with it, and it's HIS chakra.

Obito doesn't have naruto's chakra, therefore minato can't use him to teleport -_-

Re read my post.

its possible to teleport someone/something via a medium as long as said medium has the targets chakra and the target is also in contact.

Medium:naruto's chakra arms Target:naruto and sasuke. Contact: Naruto's chakra arms.

Medium:Kisame's chakra in his suiton Target: kisame.Contact:water containing kisame's chakra.
 
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how is kisame's chakra not apart of kisame? he's in contact with it, and it's HIS chakra.

Obito doesn't have naruto's chakra, therefore minato can't use him to teleport -_-

Re read my post.

its possible to teleport someone/something via a medium as long as said medium has the targets chakra and the target is also in contact.

Medium:naruto's chakra arms Target:naruto and sasuke. Contact: Naruto's chakra arms.

Medium:Kisame's chakra in his suiton Target: kisame.Contact:water containing kisame's chakra.


So every ninjutsu is now apart of the user? :lol There is an obvious difference between a shroud and a dome of water.
 
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