Kakuzu vs. Itachi

[Nattana]

:lol

-Agrees Kakuzu can switch hearts
-Knows death means no chakra flow

"Kakuzu supporters are dumb because they can't prove anything"

What do I have to prove? The fodders who's hearts were stolen in the war-arc instantly died when their hearts were removed. You're confusing injuring the heart with completely removing it from its functions lol.

You're also once again providing no arguments with what Itachi does with genjutsu, he restrains Kakuzu with physical genjutsu? He can still use Domu so thats pointless. Mindcontrol? What is he going to do with 3T here....He controlled a senseless Kabuto :lol what a feat. Diversion is just a defensive maneuver.

Since when destroying one's heart means death?

 

[RedRobin]

Since when destroying one's heart means death?

Since like forever.

 

[Nattana]

Since like forever.

You need some biology classes.

 

[RedRobin]

You need some biology classes.

Please do explain how you survive when your heart gets destroyed.

 

[Nattana]

Please do explain how to survive when your heart gets destroyed.

I'm not saying destroying one's heart won't lead to their death (if they don't have means to prevent that).

I'm saying that it doesn't equal death.

 

[KidGamer65]

I didnt mean simply strong characters, I was talking about his abilities.

People like Sasori and Kakuzu arent characters who can be taken down so easily with genjustu.

It's not just Genjutsu. It's Genjutsu combined with Itachi's actual physical and Ninjutsu ability. Genjutsu does nothing but create an opening. Not sure what you mean with the bold. What about his abilities makes it hard to beat him w/ Genjutsu?

 

[RedRobin]

I'm not saying destroying one's heart won't lead to their death (if they don't have means to prevent that).

I'm saying that it doesn't equal death.

Ok but for the most part it does equal death. It leads to Kakuzu's death but you have to kill him more times to put him down for good.

Limited number of characters who can survive damage to the heart.

 

[Nattana]

Ok but for the most part it does equal death. It leads to Kakuzu's death but you have to kill him more times to put him down for good.

But there was an argument that destroyed heart = death = no chakra flow. But it is obviously bullshit, since destroying one's heart doesn't equal death.

 

[Zexion~]

But there was an argument that destroyed heart = death = no chakra flow. But it is obviously bullshit, since destroying one's heart doesn't equal death.

Removing the heart... and tell that to the ninja who's hearts were taken by Kakuzu :lol

 

[Nattana]

Removing the heart... and tell that to the ninja who's hearts were taken by Kakuzu :lol

They probably faint and THEN die due to blood loss or brain death (because of lack of oxygen).

Removing the heart =/= death.

 

[KidGamer65]

They probably faint and THEN die due to blood loss or brain death (because of lack of oxygen).

Removing the heart =/= death.

Amen. Pretty annoying when people try to debate things they clearly do not understand.

 

[RedRobin]

But there was an argument that destroyed heart = death = no chakra flow. But it is obviously bullshit, since destroying one's heart doesn't equal death.

You are arguing semantics.

Destroyed heart = no blood flow in the body = death

They all equal each other. This is essentially why Kakashi goes straight for Kakuzu's heart which would have killed Kakuzu if he didnt have 4 other ones.

 

[KidGamer65]

You are arguing semantics.

Destroyed heart = no blood flow in the body = death

They all equal each other. This is essentially why Kakahsi goes straight for Kakuzu's heart which would have killed Kakuzu if he didnt have 4 other ones.

And you clearly don't understand what he's saying.

What's he's saying: Destroyed or stopped heart function creates circumstances that lead to death. The heart itself being destroyed, removed or whatever isn't the cause of death thus death is not instantaneous like what is being argued here.

 

[RedRobin]

And you clearly don't understand what he's saying.

What's he's saying: Destroyed or stopped heart function creates circumstances that lead to death. The heart itself being destroyed, removed or whatever isn't the cause of death thus death is not instantaneous like what is being argued here.

No I understand it and its a stupid argument.

Since when destroying one's heart means death?

That was the argument. It does mean death simply not an instantaneous one.

 

[Zexion~]

Amen. Pretty annoying when people try to debate things they clearly do not understand.

LMAOOOOO

how long are they passed out for? Half a minute? 5 seconds? Either way he's going to die y'all literally don't let Kakuzu have anything at this point lol, Genjutsu shits on everyone apparently tho so oh well.

 

[Icelerate]

L Either way he's going to die y'all literally don't let Kakuzu have anything at this point lol, Genjutsu shits on everyone apparently tho so oh well.

Indeed, we don't even allow Kakuzu to have a victory against Sakura/Tsunade at this point. Anti Kakuzu debaters unite.

 

[Zexion~]

Indeed, we don't even allow Kakuzu to have a victory against Sakura/Tsunade at this point. Anti Kakuzu debaters unite.

Apparently smh, he still cooler than all your favs.

 

[KidGamer65]

No I understand it and its a stupid argument.

Since when destroying one's heart means death?

That was the argument. It does mean death simply not an instantaneous one.

But that's not what he meant as he was arguing against Zexion's dumbass point. So no, you clearly didn't understand it since you are taking words from his post while completely ignoring the actual context. His argument is that destroying the heart leads to death, but destroying it doesn't automatically cause death. The circumstances that come from a destroyed heart is what causes death.

Or rather you did understand it but took it out of context on purpose to make it seem like you were right for whatever strange reason. :lol But did I really expect you to argue with any type of honesty? No. Can't say I did.

LMAOOOOO

how long are they passed out for? Half a minute? 5 seconds? Either way he's going to die y'all literally don't let Kakuzu have anything at this point lol, Genjutsu shits on everyone apparently tho so oh well.

No, why would he die when his heart is being switched out with another? :lol.

-Heart 1 is in place.
-Switches with Heart 2.
-Heart 2 is now in place.

There is no long gap where he dies and comes back to life. If you are arguing that he "detaches" a heart and leaves it there then you are going to have to actually show me that this is possible, but of course, you can't. Because you were barely able to prove he could switch them in the first place let alone shelve one without replacing it.


-"Y'all literally don't let Kakuzu have anything at this point" :lol No one lets any character have anything. They support their stances with actual logical reasoning. Shouldn't be that hard if what you are saying actually makes sense. :lol :lol :lol

-"Genjutsu shits on everyone because Itachi can use it to defeat a lower tiered character in the second half of the series who happens to be my favorite character" :lol

Such a whiny undertone. Don't argue things you don't understand. Don't argue things when you have no evidence. You'll only make yourself look like a fanboy.

 

[Zexion~]

But that's not what he meant as he was arguing against Zexion's dumbass point. So no, you clearly didn't understand it since you are taking words from his post while completely ignoring the actual context. His argument is that destroying the heart leads to death, but destroying it doesn't automatically cause death. The circumstances that come from a destroyed heart is what causes death.

Or rather you did understand it but took it out of context on purpose to make it seem like you were right for whatever strange reason. :lol But did I really expect you to argue with any type of honesty? No. Can't say I did.



No, why would he die when his heart is being switched out with another? :lol.

-Heart 1 is in place.
-Switches with Heart 2.
-Heart 2 is now in place.

There is no long gap where he dies and comes back to life. If you are arguing that he "detaches" a heart and leaves it there then you are going to have to actually show me that this is possible, but of course, you can't. Because you were barely able to prove he could switch them in the first place let alone shelve one without replacing it.


-"Y'all literally don't let Kakuzu have anything at this point" :lol No one lets any character have anything. They support their stances with actual logical reasoning. Shouldn't be that hard if what you are saying actually makes sense. :lol :lol :lol

-"Genjutsu shits on everyone because Itachi can use it to defeat a lower tiered character in the second half of the series who happens to be my favorite character" :lol

Such a whiny undertone. Don't argue things you don't understand. Don't argue things when you have no evidence. You'll only make yourself look like a fanboy.

Except he detached a heart and left it underground along with his arm :lol you don't understand anything when it comes to Kakuzu and you simply try to knock him whatever lol again with your logic 99% of NV gets solod by Genjutsu of the 3t caliber lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Except he detached a heart and left it underground along with his arm :lol you don't understand anything when it comes to Kakuzu and you simply try to knock him whatever lol again with your logic 99% of NV gets solod by Genjutsu of the 3t caliber lol

He detached a heart from his body (which isn't any different from him creating his mask monsters so why you mentioned this as it's new evidence is beyond me). How is that the same as him detaching the heart sustaining his life? Oh wait I know.

It's not. :lol Not even close. If he switches hearts while in Genjutsu nothing happens. End of story. If you could prove otherwise you would've.

No, Kakuzu just gets solo'd by Itachi. If you could prove otherwise you would've, that's why all you can do at this point is cry about how I hate and don't understand your favorite character. :lol Zero arguments and explanations for my logic=99% of the verse gets solo'd. All tears because another person has been displayed to beat your fav. First Hebi Sasuke now 3-T Itachi. :lol Kakuzu fans must have it rough.