When they were merged with Kakuzu they did NOT used Atsugai or Zukokku, which requires hand signs. So being merged isnt relevant for the Mask to use ninjutsu. How does being connected to Kakuzu, change anything when they are still connected to Kakuzu even if separated?
1. You've been saying that they can use Katon and Fuuton outside of Atsugai and Zukkoku, but I've yet to see actual evidence besides the fact that they were smaller in scale, which isn't evidence. Them looking different isn't evidence either. Atsugai+Zukkoku looks far different than Zukkoku on it's own despite it being nothing but an enhanced version.
2. It doesn't matter either way. You tried to use that as evidence that they can manipulate chakra on their own, but they were merged with Kakuzu's body. Which isn't the same as them being independent of his body. Whatever connection they have when they aren't merged with his body isn't the same as being apart of the same body as him so that's a moot point to try and bring. The masks are only stated to be independent autonomous entities when they
are separate from his body. Not anything else.
You said the same case was when he captured Kakashi, Kakuzu used hand signs with Katon+Futon combo? Proof and I'll concede.
The same thing was obviously referring to the first part of that statement. I clearly stated whenever they were on their own he's needed to use hand signs to have them use their jutsu.
Not a bad idea actually. But can't Kakuzu just have his Mask kill him and revive him?
No, because he'll be incapacitated.
Na, for Atsugai he is going to get push by the winds, which is good for Kakuzu, being a mid range fighter. till he can get Itachi going mid air, which is the best way to capture.
Except that's not how it works. If that was how it worked then Kakashi wouldn't have been able to dodge point blank as the wind would've pushed him.
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. And why would Shiki yell at them, to check on them both, to see if they were alright? If they all jumped to the same location?
Who said they jumped to the same location? I said they all evaded in the same manner. Whether or not they landed at the same time doesn't matter. Your claim doesn't make sense. It traveling along the ground doesn't mean you need to jump to evade it. It's range isn't infinite. It travels then explodes into a ball of flame, so sliding back far enough lets you evade without going in mid air. Or doing what I already said, jumping but not high enough to leave yourself vulnerable lets you dodge it.
And I said "specific" as in Hidan trying to capture Kakashi in mid air. As he cant go after all of them in mid air. So Im going by the logic and actualon panel time to determine what happen here.
But the way Shikamaru dodged means that he didn't jump high in the air. Kakashi did, which is why Hidan was able to go after them. Stop saying you are using logic and what happened on panel to determine what will happen here when you are making excuses for why the other 3 weren't in the air while Kakashi was. Kakashi chose to dodge that way, they didn't. It's that simple.
Unless Itachi can defy the wind gust from pushing him away, then yeah no reason. Or purposefully using Katon as the only option to advance forward by going mid air then yeah.
There is no wind gust pushing him away. Nothing like that is shown in the Manga and your only evidence for the gust being strong enough to hinder his evasive ability is because it's a Fuuton. Kakashi dodged it at almost point blank range. There is no follow up attack that will blow him away.
-Yet couldn't completely burn Karin instantly. And the fastest burn it had shown against flesh was with Danzo. And he wasnt burnt to crisp until it completely consumed his whole body. Then we have Nagato's scenario. Thats not going to happen when detachment ability of Kakuzu takes no time at all.
-A fireball the size of her head is not a fireball the size of Kakuzu's body.
-He was hit and not even a second later he was completely burnt up. Kakuzu doesn't need to be completely burnt up for him to die. Only a large portion of his body needs to be burnt up. Nagato's scenario is also irrelevant for reasons stated below. Itachi can continue to produce flame at his focal point, meaning any detachment strategies fail very very hard.
Um no I read it clearly. Read what I actually said. And Ill just rewrite it in your own words. "If Itachi uses Amaterasu like he did against Sasuke's Katon" it will would require Itachi to aim at Kakuzu's Katon, that follow his LoS to grow and extend that way. Amaterasu size is based on the users LoS. Get it?
Itachi CANT decide the size of Amaterasu. The reason it was the size of Sasuke's Katon because thats what his LoS see.
What are you talking about? Again.
Read before you reply because this is pretty ridiculous. When Itachi used Amaterasu on Sasuke's Katon he continued to produce the flame until it was consumed. Instead of doing that to the flame he does that to Kakuzu. He continues to produce flame till Kakuzu is burnt to nothingness. Quit mentioning Kakuzu's Katon because no one stated anything about his Katon. Quit mentioning Sasuke's Katon's size. No one mentioned anything about that. Same goes for Amaterasu's size. If you really read it clearly you wouldn't be addressing a point no one made.
Exactly what my precise states. In order for Kakuzu to block Ammy with Jingou, requires Kakuzu to muster up and produce alot to form a wall, blocking Itachi's LoS. If his LoS is covered by Jingou that can also be an opening to hide something behind him too.
But none of this matters because the time between him using Amaterasu and Kakuzu getting hit and dying isn't a long enough period of time for Kakuzu to go underground w/ a mask or some shit like that and actually kill or hinder Itachi or stop him from using said Amatersau.
Everyone is born with 1 chakra nature, BUT doesnt mean they cant learnothers, you should know this part. The That logic is no different by the fact that Kakuzu can teach his Mask to use certain Earth Element jutsu either. As at the end of the day they are using his chakra to begin with.
What is stored in the heart is their affinity. There is no evidence that taking someone's heart means you got the natures that they learned. And now you aren't making any sense. Them both using the same chakra doesn't mean they can use the same elements. There is no "teaching" going on either as his masks aren't shown to be beings capable of learning extra chakra natures. They are hearts with bodies made of threads controlled by Kakuzu's chakra. Don't make this more complicated than it really is. There is
zero evidence his hearts possess any other nature outside of the ones they are shown to possess.
And even if this line of argumentation is not accepting, the scenario where Kakuzu hide his arm could of been his own heart, considering Kakashi took out heart that was keeping Kakuzu alive via Suiton heart.
"could've been" isn't evidence. What is shown and stated in the databook is that Kakuzu's arm was detached using his threads. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bro are you trying to apply logic in Kakuzu's Kinjutsu ability? Where his ability violates the laws of nature? We already established that Jingou and hearts are all thats needed access, use chakra, its network, and natures.
Lmao. Terrible attempt at a cop out. "Oh, but it doesn't follow the laws of nature" isn't an excuse that lets you apply whatever argument you want to it with no evidence. Kakuzu's hearts use Ninjutsu because his hearts actually have chakra networks and are controlled by his own chakra.
His detached limb does not fall under any of those categories. It's not a heart. It has no chakra nature. So how is it using Ninjutsu on it's own? :lol
NO Smoked otherwise we wouldnt of seen Hidan's weapon (which his smoke screen was cleared simultaneously with Kakuzu's). Text bubble excuse too? Now explain that to me how context for us blocks Shikimaru's field of vision, which he could of cleary see in mid air snipping them.
I'm pretty sure you know you are wrong here and are just trying anything that comes to mind at this point.
-Hidan's weapon is irrelevant. Hidan's weapon isn't where Kakuzu released his arm. There is smoke shown in that panel. That is one of the two possible areas where Kakuzu could've released his heart based on the scans I just posted.
-The part of the scan where the text bubble covers is the second possible area.
Shikamaru's field of vision is irrelevant when he was on the ground the tree would block it, and why would he be looking where the hole was made instead of looking at his two targets when he was in the air? :lol. Not to mention him not noticing it isn't proof or evidence it's not there.
I think it's time for you to concede now, because all of your arguments are nothing but conjecture or logic that has been flat out killed by what happened on panel.
-Zero proof Kakuzu can use Hiding Like a Mole.
-Zero proof his masks can do so even if he can do so.
-Zero proof that he used Hiding like a Mole to burrow into the ground.
-Zero proof that his masks can manipulate chakra to break him out of Genjutsu.
-Your argument for him surviving Amaterasu is extremely bad and flawed.
-No reason Atsugai being used would blow him away or make it hard for him to evade.
-No reason that jumping high enough to leave himself vulnerable is necessary to evade Zukkoku.
Itachi dodges Kakuzu attacks, uses feints and speed to close the distance and then lands Genjutsu allowing him to deal the finishing blows.
For your match up Amaterasu simply one shots.
anyways so you're saying chakra having to completely alter its flow through an entirely new network isn't enough to disrupt a 3T genjutsu? Honestly he may go through a very short period of death here which would most definitely disrupt it :lol