[VS] Sanji vs Smoker

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This retardness is nowhere near the same thing as Sanji's body being shown to be severely weaker than normal. Sanji's pain isn't theoretical, it isn't assumed, it was explicitly shown. He had it when he fought Vergo. The pain is given in the manga, so it happened.

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You can point out Usopp being fine all you want, but it will never change the fact that Oda took the time to draw panels all dedicated to how badly damaged Sanji's body was. It won't change that we have never seen Vergo fight Sanji while Sanji was at 100%, which invalidates whatever powerscaling or feats Vergo "accomplished" during the fight.
Not even gonna bother with the bullshit anymore. Sanji = Usopp in durability confirmed. And considering Vergo was overpowering him in a kicking contest far from his actual speciality, that means glascannon Sanji stands even less of a chance against Vergo who would knock him out with a single Oni take attack. Hell considering Usopp was one shotted by Trebol, i guess Trebol can one shot Sanji too. Nice feat i guess
 

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Not even gonna bother with the bullshit anymore. Sanji = Usopp in durability confirmed.
Nami in Sanji's body=/=Sanji in Sanji's body.

And even if Sanji's durability is only as good as Usopp's(which has been shown to be actually really, really good on more than one occassion), does it matter if Sanji can avoid damage completely through dodging? You're saying this like the only valid option in a fight is to tank every and all attacks, which is completely stupid.

And considering Vergo was overpowering him in a kicking contest far from his actual speciality,
Says who? Vergo has never shown to favor a specific method of combat over another. His strongest attack may come from his bamboo, which is why he has that nickname, but Vergo's method of fighting has always been shown to be brawling with his kicks and punches. Nothing has ever indicated that Vergo's kicking ability is subpar to some other ability he has.

You're also missing the key point that nothing suggests that Vergo would have been able to overpower Sanji if Sanji was at 100%, which is why Vergo's clash with Sanji is invalid in VS battles.
 

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Nami in Sanji's body=/=Sanji in Sanji's body.

And even if Sanji's durability is only as good as Usopp's(which has been shown to be actually really, really good on more than one occassion), does it matter if Sanji can avoid damage completely through dodging? You're saying this like the only valid option in a fight is to tank every and all attacks, which is completely stupid.


Says who? Vergo has never shown to favor a specific method of combat over another. His strongest attack may come from his bamboo, which is why he has that nickname, but Vergo's method of fighting has always been shown to be brawling with his kicks and punches. Nothing has ever indicated that Vergo's kicking ability is subpar to some other ability he has.

You're also missing the key point that nothing suggests that Vergo would have been able to overpower Sanji if Sanji was at 100%, which is why Vergo's clash with Sanji is invalid in VS battles.

Riker.

You literally argue against your own points in different discussions.. now I know for a fact you are just a debate loving troll.

I argue Whitebeard being damaged caused his heart attack to happen earlier than it could have. You argue against it. But here "Sanji was damaged and that damage matters."

I argue that Luffy wasn't at 100% against Doflamingo so in a fresh 1v1 Luffy should perform much better. You argue against it. But here "Sanji wasn't at 100%. He would perform much better if he was fresh against Vergo."

Like bruh....

Get your mind right fool..

This shit is just ridiculous at this point..
 

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Riker.

You literally argue against your own points in different discussions.. now I know for a fact you are just a debate loving troll.

I argue Whitebeard being damaged caused his heart attack to happen earlier than it could have. You argue against it. But here "Sanji was damaged and that damage matters."
The only times this doesn't apply is if the injury was stated or shown to be superficial(Doflamingo with Red Hawk, Whitebeard with Squard's stab)
Whitebeard himself dismissed the stab as inconsequential. The damage wasn't enough to mean anything.

I argue that Luffy wasn't at 100% against Doflamingo so in a fresh 1v1 Luffy should perform much better. You argue against it. But here "Sanji wasn't at 100%. He would perform much better if he was fresh against Vergo."
Not the same situations at all though. Yes, Luffy would have performed better against Doflamingo if he was at 100%. But Doflamingo would have also performed better at 100%. Luffy was closer to his 100% than Doflamingo was to his, and he still lost(before Gats helped him). If Luffy, injured but close to his 100%, loses to Doflamingo, injured even further past his 100%, the math just shows that Doflamingo was stronger.

If Doflamingo at 50% beats Luffy at 80%, what does that say for them at 100%?

On the other hand, we have no idea how damaged Sanji was. We have no scale to compare Sanji to to properly assert how much weaker he was than his 100% when Vergo cracked his leg. Which is why their clash is invalid.
 

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I didn't even read his post past that sentence, I noticed this a while back. You just really like to argue for arguments sake, to the point where you take the same points you would brush off in some other threads to keep the argument going instead of stopping, and stretch the same points in other threads to keep a long ass debate going. In other words as long as the argument is never ending you are satisfied.

If someone else noticed, then it must be legit.
 

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I didn't even read his post past that sentence, I noticed this a while back. You just really like to argue for arguments sake
I argue when the argument is interesting, and I argue points that I think are wrong, yes.

to the point where you take the same points you would brush off in some other threads to keep the argument going instead of stopping, and stretch the same points in other threads to keep a long ass debate going.
Such as?

In other words as long as the argument is never ending you are satisfied.
I take part in debates for however long they are interesting to me. What you're saying is that I enjoy debates, and because other people make a choice to take part in these debates, the debates can end up being long. Which isn't something negative, that's called common sense. Like, what the **** are you actually expecting when you log into a forum full of people with different viewpoints and a manga that is currently full of windows for interpretation?

"I think X beats Y."

"Yeah me too brah"

*end thread*

Like?

My longest debates have been against Loljajga who repeats his own arguments constantly, so no shit they end up long. Would you prefer discussions that are short as shit with nothing to actually talk about?
 
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Idk I often see you picking and choosing to support or disagree with the same points, thread to thread. Just an observation, welp...
 

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My longest debates have been against Loljajga who repeats his own arguments constantly, so no shit they end up long. Would you prefer discussions that are short as shit with nothing to actually talk about?
Yes you both are nutcases. Who the heck sits there and keeps replying back to someone who will only reply back with the same answer they already used the other 40 replies. God bless you both.
 
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