Kakuzu vs. Itachi

[Byakuren]

The OP is EjBlack, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't thinking. :lol

And I agree. The only thing he needs to do is get close and force eye contact. :lol Agreed with the bold too. "oh but but he lived for 91 years" "db intelligence stat lolz" is always the typical excuses.

Genjutsu from a far may be applicable, but the further he is the harder it'll be for him to make eye contact with Kakuzu as Kakuzu won't need to look at any specific part of his body to fight from long range, which is why getting close is the best thing he can do here.


Right. Kakashi intercepted Gian from where he got attacked by Hidan right after dodging Atsugai point blank despite Hidan's initial distraction, and his Katon has no speed feats and be avoided by simply jumping over it. They keep on saying "all angles" and stuff like that even though Kakuzu firing his jutsu from 4 directions doesn't mean it covers all angles. Katon doesn't even cover in the air until it erupts and Gian's overall AoE is pathetic. Someone far slower than a top speed Sasuke who is not as fast as a top speed Itachi can evade these techniques. Itachi has raw speed surpassing that on top of clone feints and unreadable hand signs. Kakuzu won't ever hit him before Itachi takes him apart.

And separating his masks for attacks like these only backfires in the end as you said earlier. Itachi's raw speed+shadow or crow clone feints means that he would easily be able to hit the masks with clone great explosion, meaning they die.

It's like an endless loop of stupidity. 91 years of knowledge doesn't mean shit. There are kids that >>> adult intelligence in this world. Itachi @ age 7 had kage wisdom, I'm not going to even get into how much more intelligent Itachi is vs this overrated ragdoll. True, you're right about Genjutsu being harder to apply from farther ranges with basic eye contact, but also that's why he has his Crows, which are incredibly broken. Honestly, I think Base Itachi could beat Kakuzu's ass honestly. Ephemeral can apply the same reality Genjutsu, and his crows are still summon-able without the Sharingan, and clone explosion is still executable as well. How would you think a Base Healthy (edo feats) Itachi vs Kakuzu both with full/manga knowledge would play out. Crow explosions should take out the masks if aimed directly/enough explosive force is applied to the exact location of the heart.

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It should be a crime to pretend you're smart when you probably scraped by highschool with a 2.4 and never made it into community college, sorry didnt mean to tear apart your life.
But when itachi breaks up in to crows, most of the time it is a genjutsu.

Come to me with an actual argument you buffoon. Sorry that your panties are wadded because of facts. It's even arguable that Base Itachi could shit on Kakuzu because of Ephemeral.

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[Dizzldot]

It's like an endless loop of stupidity. 91 years of knowledge doesn't mean shit. There are kids that >>> adult intelligence in this world. Itachi @ age 7 had kage wisdom, I'm not going to even get into how much more intelligent Itachi is vs this overrated ragdoll. True, you're right about Genjutsu being harder to apply from farther ranges with basic eye contact, but also that's why he has his Crows, which are incredibly broken. Honestly, I think Base Itachi could beat Kakuzu's ass honestly. Ephemeral can apply the same reality Genjutsu, and his crows are still summon-able without the Sharingan, and clone explosion is still executable as well. How would you think a Base Healthy (edo feats) Itachi vs Kakuzu both with full/manga knowledge would play out. Crow explosions should take out the masks if aimed directly/enough explosive force is applied to the exact location of the heart.

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Come to me with an actual argument you buffoon. Sorry that your panties are wadded because of facts. It's even arguable that Base Itachi could shit on Kakuzu because of Ephemeral.

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My panties are fresh and clean homie I just wrecked you I don't argue with stupidity Im telling you Id not think itachi can do it you're saying he can you have no proof he can and I don't have proof he will

 

[Byakuren]

My panties are fresh and clean homie I just wrecked you I don't argue with stupidity Im telling you Id not think itachi can do it you're saying he can you have no proof he can and I don't have proof he will

You must be registered for see images . What are you talking about no proof? What exactly are you asking evidence for? Everything I've said it 110% plausible. Don't try to make it like both of us are talking nonsense, there's only one person not making sense here. You.

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[Dizzldot]

You must be registered for see images . What are you talking about no proof? What exactly are you asking evidence for? Everything I've said it 110% plausible. Don't try to make it like both of us are talking nonsense, there's only one person not making sense here. You.

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Itachi and kakuzu never fought therefore no statement you have said has proof of working. You're just senseless wanking and ovehyping dr proof

 

[NarutoX28]

Itachi and kakuzu never fought therefore no statement you have said has proof of working. You're just senseless wanking and ovehyping dr proof

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam ...

 

[KidGamer65]

It's like an endless loop of stupidity. 91 years of knowledge doesn't mean shit. There are kids that >>> adult intelligence in this world. Itachi @ age 7 had kage wisdom, I'm not going to even get into how much more intelligent Itachi is vs this overrated ragdoll. True, you're right about Genjutsu being harder to apply from farther ranges with basic eye contact, but also that's why he has his Crows, which are incredibly broken. Honestly, I think Base Itachi could beat Kakuzu's ass honestly. Ephemeral can apply the same reality Genjutsu, and his crows are still summon-able without the Sharingan, and clone explosion is still executable as well. How would you think a Base Healthy (edo feats) Itachi vs Kakuzu both with full/manga knowledge would play out. Crow explosions should take out the masks if aimed directly/enough explosive force is applied to the exact location of the heart.

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A large part of why he think Itachi wins is because of his foot speed and reaction speed, the latter of which is boosted immensely by Sharingan. I don't think Itachi will be able to weave around Kakuzu's jutsu without it. Though Itachi is still pretty fast without Sharingan as evidence by all his foot speed feats and the DB, which measures reaction speed too along with movement speed, gives him a 5.

It's possible, but he'd need to make up for his lack of Sharingan with his feints and shit. Though I don't really see it likely.

 

[Byakuren]

Itachi and kakuzu never fought therefore no statement you have said has proof of working. You're just senseless wanking and ovehyping dr proof

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam ...

You can't even apply that factual statement to what is his stupidity. What he said is basically saying every battle this section discusses that hasn't been shown in canon is illogical. He just can't own up to being wrong, and agreeing 3T Itachi >> Kakuzu.

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[Dizzldot]

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam ...

So, the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric.
Too bad that doesnt apply in this scenario try hard lmfao, I didnt say anything will work because not unproven, I said nothing we say can be proven

 

[Dizzldot]

You can't even apply that factual statement to what is his stupidity. What he said is basically saying every battle this section discusses that hasn't been shown in canon is illogical. He just can't own up to being wrong, and agreeing 3T Itachi >> Kakuzu.

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Dr Proof stop acting like a sally

 

[Byakuren]

A large part of why he think Itachi wins is because of his foot speed and reaction speed, the latter of which is boosted immensely by Sharingan. I don't think Itachi will be able to weave around Kakuzu's jutsu without it. Though Itachi is still pretty fast without Sharingan as evidence by all his foot speed feats and the DB, which measures reaction speed too along with movement speed, gives him a 5.

It's possible, but he'd need to make up for his lack of Sharingan with his feints and shit. Though I don't really see it likely.

Wait. Hold on. What reaction/foot speed? Are we really talking about the same dude who got sliced up by two fodder jounin in the war-arc? Same dude who had his mask destroyed by Tenten? Freaking Tenten?! You should've shut his idiot ass up with that. Kakuzu isn't fast. There's more canonical evidence for Hidan being faster than Kakuzu if we're being honest here (I'm probably going too far). Yeah his Sharingan helps especially with the precognition, and what not. But a Base Itachi would be able to pressure Kakuzu into a near defeat in my honest opinion. 3T Itachi definitely shits though. Stupid matchup irregardless.

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[Byakuren]

Dr Proof stop acting like a sally

Are you trying to trigger me? You're just sounding stupid, and parched the more you keep repeating this. Either way it doesn't bother me, and it doesn't take away from the fact you're resorting to changing the topic of the debate because you're taking the L from multiple people in your "arguments" for Kakuzu. If they can even be called that. Shit is hilarious honestly. I've no doubt I'm not the only one laughing at your post. Not to mention, I only decided to shit on this nonsense because I need to get to Jounin rank to for RP reasons lol. Please provide more bullshit. I literally need you to keep posting your stupidity.

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[Dizzldot]

Are you trying to trigger me? You're just sounding stupid, and parched the more you keep repeating this. Either way it doesn't bother me, and it doesn't take away from the fact you're resorting to changing the topic of the debate because you're taking the L from multiple people in your "arguments" for Kakuzu. If they can even be called that. Shit is hilarious honestly. I've no doubt I'm not the only one laughing at your post.

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I'm not trying I'm succeeding, and I'm not arguing with you anymore since you will always think you are right no matter what. Also considering itachi has so many more feats I'm fighting the harder battle. However, if you want me to say 3T itachi> kakuzu, fine I'll say that. I don't believe it but if that changes your bum life I'll give you it

 

[KidGamer65]

Wait. Hold on. What reaction/foot speed? Are we really talking about the same dude who got sliced up by two fodder jounin in the war-arc? Same dude who had his mask destroyed by Tenten? Freaking Tenten?! You should've shut his idiot ass up with that. Kakuzu isn't fast. There's more canonical evidence for Hidan being faster than Kakuzu if we're being honest here (I'm probably going too far). Yeah his Sharingan helps especially with the precognition, and what not. But a Base Itachi would be able to pressure Kakuzu into a near defeat in my honest opinion. 3T Itachi definitely shits though. Stupid matchup irregardless.

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Well yeah, of course Kakuzu himself is nowhere near Itachi's level of speed even if he doesn't have the Sharingan active. Kakuzu has a 4, Itachi has a 5, but his jutsu are still pretty dangerous and Sharingan's buffs are too large in terms of reaction speed for me to look at Itachi's evasive feats in the Manga where he was using Sharingan and say that he dodges all of Kakuzu's jutsu and effortlessly closes the distance.

But that's honestly also me giving this clown the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Byakuren]

I'm not trying I'm succeeding, and I'm not arguing with you anymore since you will always think you are right no matter what. Also considering itachi has so many more feats I'm fighting the harder battle. However, if you want me to say 3T itachi> kakuzu, fine I'll say that. I don't believe it but if that changes your bum life I'll give you it

Dude. You're getting angry over a losing debate. If you don't think 3T Itachi >> Kakuzu explain it with logical reasoning, don't change the topic because your points are stupid. And when your points are refuted own up to it, and say you're wrong. When I'm wrong I'll admit to it, I have no problem with that. Everyone can be stubborn, because no one likes to be wrong. But when it comes down to it if 110% feel I'm wrong I'll concede. Post something logical referencing Kakuzu > 3T Itachi.

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[Dizzldot]

Dude. You're getting angry over a losing debate. If you don't think 3T Itachi >> Kakuzu explain it with logical reasoning, don't change the topic because your points are stupid. And when your points are refuted own up to it, and say you're wrong. When I'm wrong I'll admit to it, I have no problem with that. Everyone can be stubborn, because no one likes to be wrong. But when it comes down to it if 110% feel I'm wrong I'll concede. Post something logical referencing Kakuzu > 3T Itachi.

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I honestly don't think itachi has the stamina to take out kakuzu 5 times considering no jutsu he has can take out more than one heart at a time and shuriken won't kill them I won't fall for that at all. Sure genjutsu, the more he uses it the easier it will be for kakuzu to understand and break it, let alone get caught at all. Itachi shows weakness in drawn out battles he was shot at the end of Sasuke and his fight and kakuzu will be way harder than that especially without ms

 

[Byakuren]

I honestly don't think itachi has the stamina to take out kakuzu 5 times considering no jutsu he has can take out more than one heart at a time and shuriken won't kill them I won't fall for that at all. Sure genjutsu, the more he uses it the easier it will be for kakuzu to understand and break it, let alone get caught at all. Itachi shows weakness in drawn out battles he was shot at the end of Sasuke and his fight and kakuzu will be way harder than that especially without ms

Itachi stamina claims have always been a terrible route to go; especially since a sick Itachi canonically outlasted an Orochimaru-enhanced Hebi Sasuke. Itachi is the spitting image of less is more (i.e. small amounts of exertion being more lethal than larger scalings). This was why Itachi was capable of outlasting Hebi Sasuke (who is argued vs Kakuzu a lot, and is always seen to be triumphant). If a sick Itachi could outlast Hebi Sasuke, he could definitely last long enough to shit on Kakuzu. Chakra reserves really aren't even a problem for Itachi just based on the fact his chakra control, and his minimalist usage of his chakra is so proficient. 3T Genjutsu is spammable with ease as seen in Sasuke, and Itachi's fight. Crow Clones are also easily applicable to be spammed. The only times Itachi ever showed taxation was with MS techniques. 3T Itachi would dominate Kakuzu, there just isn't any argument to logically refute this.

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[Byakuren]

Well yeah, of course Kakuzu himself is nowhere near Itachi's level of speed even if he doesn't have the Sharingan active. Kakuzu has a 4, Itachi has a 5, but his jutsu are still pretty dangerous and Sharingan's buffs are too large in terms of reaction speed for me to look at Itachi's evasive feats in the Manga where he was using Sharingan and say that he dodges all of Kakuzu's jutsu and effortlessly closes the distance.

But that's honestly also me giving this clown the benefit of the doubt.

Just waiting on the "real" Kakuzu fans to come through so I can see their terrible arguments. I really want to see the "speed feats/reaction feats" they claim. Seriously is it really hard to just work your brain around the fact a restricted MS/3T Itachi utterly shits on Kakuzu?

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[Icelerate]

I want to see Zexion or Brother Numpsay make an argument on how Kakuzu beats 3T Itachi.

 

[Dizzldot]

Itachi stamina claims have always been a terrible route to go; especially since a sick Itachi canonically outlasted an Orochimaru-enhanced Hebi Sasuke. Itachi is the spitting image of less is more (i.e. small amounts of exertion being more lethal than larger scalings). This was why Itachi was capable of outlasting Hebi Sasuke (who is argued vs Kakuzu a lot, and is always seen to be triumphant). If a sick Itachi could outlast Hebi Sasuke, he could definitely last long enough to shit on Kakuzu. Chakra reserves really aren't even a problem for Itachi just based on the fact his chakra control, and his minimalist usage of his chakra is so proficient. 3T Genjutsu is spammable with ease as seen in Sasuke, and Itachi's fight. Crow Clones are also easily applicable to be spammed. The only times Itachi ever showed taxation was with MS techniques. 3T Itachi would dominate Kakuzu, there just isn't any argument to logically refute this.

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The genjutsu wasn't spammed in their fight tho it was just one long string of a genjutsu itachi used, I don't think hebi Sasuke wakes as much chakra as killing kakuzu 5 times. If he uses domo what attack does itachi have that can pierce it? The whole itachi argument relies on kakuzu not using domo to defend himself or by placing him under genjutsu 5 times to stop him from using it. I don't see it happening

 

[Byakuren]

I want to see Zexion or Brother Numpsay make an argument on how Kakuzu beats 3T Itachi.

Both of those retards were arguing with me about something stupid in one of the Akatsuki threads a couple weeks ago. It baffles me how someone can overrate a character that's potential has literally been shown to be shit tier. Ninjutsu that are slow as hell. Terrible "speed" feats (I think the only speed feat he really has is "blitzing" an unaware Kakashi who thought he killed him with Raikiri through the heart. That isn't even blitzing. Hebi Sasuke vs Deidara & Tobi is blitzing.) What do you think about 3T/Base Itachi vs Kakuzu?

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The genjutsu wasn't spammed in their fight tho it was just one long string of a genjutsu itachi used, I don't think hebi Sasuke wakes as much chakra as killing kakuzu 5 times. If he uses domo what attack does itachi have that can pierce it? The whole itachi argument relies on kakuzu not using domo to defend himself or by placing him under genjutsu 5 times to stop him from using it. I don't see it happening

It was a loop of Genjutsu. Around 2-3 Genjutsu applications were used in a single loop if I remember correctly, I'll pull up the fight in a second. I already stated how Itachi would defeat/undo Domu. Reality Genjutsu from the start (before Kakuzu uses Domu) allows Itachi to one shot his Doton heart from the get go. Reality Genjutsu after Domu application allows Itachi to do what Sasuke did vs Deidara in the C4 scenario, where Sasuke tricked Deidara twice in their battle making Deidara believe he killed Sasuke, causing him to drop his guard. Kakuzu dropped his guard against a clone feint from Naruto... Obviously Itachi's illusionary feint >>>>>> Naruto's. Kakuzu would drop Domu believing he killed Itachi through whatever shit Ninjutsu he uses, he then gets ran through with a kunai, or is suspected to a large crow clone explosion killing him, and his hearts in one go.

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