islam in Japan
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You failed big time, bud. I still think those dirty, hypocritical, hateful Muslims should stop complaining and move back to their caves if they hate their current respective countries so much.
LoZelda101
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You're contradicting yourself, buddy. Not sure what to make of it. Germany houses over 800.000 negros and Japan houses around 70.000 muslims. Big diff
Plus, the whole point of it all was that from Japan, you'd not expect to have enough bearded wizards to hold a sharia protest.
My country neighbours Germany, your point is nothing new to me. The thread topic was.
LoZelda101
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Japanese adoption of Islamic terms are derived from Anglicisations too. Like "mosuku" and "haraaru". Christianity is also a thing too; there's a rather large cathedral in Tokyo made from steel and concrete. Very unique and the interior is as hauntingly atmospheric as it is beautiful.
Out of the three big Abrahamic religions, Judaism is the one that's probably unheard of in Japan. I'd be surprised if there were even any synagogues at all there.
Monxstaa
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These muslims are actually giving us a really bad name, for fuks sake, if you want to impose shaira laws then sir there is a country for you, its called Saudi Arabia. Where the royals make up the rules and when they break em get no consequences. Never ever have i seen an extremist but if i ever see one im sure as hell that im going to punch him in the face, why cant people just live in peace its a sad world really.
If you want a company to stop producing a product why protest against it just boycott that shit and get on with your life dont you have anything better than to do than protest and shout stupid shit .
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Legendary Saiyan
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That's a bit aggressive right there. Yeah, in the video, the whole situation had 0% of anything religious and it was merely a boycott from what I see. I guess since they were identified as "Muslims", it's easy to make such conclusions and point fingers.
Just that you shouldn't be harsh over someone's opinion like that you know?
Legendary Saiyan
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Ok maybe it isn't 0% but they're not demanding Sharia or anything like that.
I didn't notice the time span so I just post what I post lol
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Let me ask; when Erdogan demands Gülen be extradited by the US, is Erdogan demanding sharia?
When the US executes Bin Laden in Pakistan -without its permission, thus violating international law and Pakistan's sovereignty-, are they applying sharia law, or what they call democracy? Or what?
The point is, the correct thing to say at best that they were demanding an aspect of sharia. Though as I've already said, they were protesting in front of the US Embassy, it had nothing to do with Japan, so the video is titled misleadingly. I repeat, Japan doesn't really have a muslim problem, they were not demanding 'sharia for Japan'.
Also, you see; in our fragile world, many things are prohibited. Like, nazi and communist symbols (with exceptions like educational purposes etc.). You and I will probably agree prohibitions like this are justified- try convincing a bigotted nationalist. That said, these muslims asking for the head of someone is rather fanatic as well, but I don't see why couldn't they protest for the prohibition of what offends them. If you checked the video they were protesting against (4 yrs ago btw, so congratulations digging up an old video and finding out there are bearded muslims in Japan), well it's a rather distasteful video. If Japan can censor its porn, then videos meant to depict Prophet Muhammad raping women and stuff like that, thus only meant to provoke muslims- well, why couldn't they protest for banning such a video (made by the US, so Japan in the beginning of the sentence was just an example, if we are talking about Japan anyway). They are free to protest for and against whatever they want- it's still better than as if they really killed or blew up someone. And of course you're free to express concern and disagreement: you're even free to generalize, but I don't think you wanna go there. And again, just to avoid misunderstanding: the video was made by Americans, that's why they were protesting in front of the US embassy. It had nothing to do with Japan- and as you said, they were asking for the ban of things that offend THEM. Saying that they were protesting for sharia, is a non sequitur from the previous sentence. Notwithstanding that it was religiously motivated, as their religious feelings were offended. But their religious feelings =\= sharia. Executing someone is more so, but that depends on which country, which school of thought, which interpretation we are talking about: which would lead us afar. Most muslims do get offended by such videos, just like many Christians were offended by the Da Vinci Code- but most of them just swallow it and hold no protest. You and the videomaker have succeeded in showing the more fanatic ones, and call it a country's 'muslim problem'. I guess the world has a bias problem. Of course we are all kinda biased and free to be so; but then, those muslims are free to be offended as well: you won't lose sleep over them, right?
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You cannot compare government agencies' actions to that of average Joe citizens. That's a commonly used excuse by, especially Muslims in my live experiences, as a means to shift the blame.
But you make a very solid point about that group of protestors gathering in front of the u.s. Embassy and it had nothing to do with religiously motivated restrictions in Japan. Thanks for correcting me on that. That was jumping to conclusions indeed. My main concern, however was just the fact that there are enough devoted Muslims in Japan to be holding these protests. The same would be said if it were ultra-orthodox Jews.
Well you are right that it's not the best comparison...but leaders/politicians are just humans as well...from that aspect, I think that when Erdogan is forcing his agenda based on his personal beliefs, that's not much different from the mentality of the average muslim, it's just that the former gains power and legitimacy from the masses of the latter. But that's the point, it's more about personal beliefs, which do not necessarily represent sharia. Of course, sometimes they do; but sometimes it's just an excuse.
I don't deny though that executing someone for blasphemy is an aspect of sharia, at least according to traditional interpretations- but it's still not the same as demanding sharia to be implemented altogether (not that there exists a universal consensus regarding what exactly are the rules of sharia and how to apply them). And I know there are demands like that too, though mostly the demand is pertaining to the muslim community demanding it, not the whole host society, that is, they don't necessarily demand sharia for the whole host country, just their own communities... and in any case, this demand technically is not different from Western countries expecting muslim countries to accept democracy and the Western concept of human rights: of course there is a big difference between demanding someone to be executed for let's say homosexuality, and to demand the opposite: but technically both are about forcing foreign ideas, sometimes with less impetus, sometimes more violently. Another difference is that Western countries are more tolerant about backwards muslims, while traditional muslim countries will just silence the progressives/reformists. But it's undeniable that as long as countries like the US play best buddies with countries like Saudi Arabia, and sell weapons to them (and let's not forget that the biggest weapon exporters are members of the UN Security Council: USA, Russia, China, France), they do have a responsibility for whatever happens in those countries. I don't think it's shifting the blame. The 'average Joe muslim' (lol) will hate the US for screwing up their countries, and it's kinda understandable. I agree it doesn't justify, say, killing caricaturists...but this specific protest, seems to me to be more about the usual manifestation of hatred towards the West, than demanding sharia or something like that. Also, as long as the US's best buddy Saudi Arabia can finance radical preachers even in Europe, no wonder that many muslims get radicalized. So, I don't mean to shift the blame, but to say that the West hasn't played and is not playing into the hands of the radicals, would also be inaccurate.
Not to mention that even government representatives are affected by their own ideas: when Bush was talking about God telling him to go to war, now how can you separate that from government actions? I only wanted to point out that whatever an average person or even a leader says or does, that's not necessarily representative of an ideology- at best, only its personal interpretation. Or else I could conclude that democracy is also about killing people, coz that's how it's exported by the US.
But yeah we were talking about this specific protest...and yeah demanding the head of the makers of the video can be considered backwards, but it's not exactly about demanding sharia, especially not for Japan, and apart from that, I'd handle the demand for banning the video as a separate issue. If they only protested for the ban, noone should really complain about such a protest, as 1) they are free to do so, 2) the movie they were protesting against is really distasteful and is meant only to provoke muslims.
No problem.
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