EliteKakashi
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I'm not making it sound like Kakashi was the one playing around. Kakashi says as much himself in the scan I posted earlier, which is from the viz translation.
That "injured Kakashi" was only injured because he wanted to be, as I noted, once again, with the viz scan I posted earlier(though I think pretty much any translation you use will give you the same result: Kakashi got cut because he wanted his blood on Zabuza, not because Zabuza bested him).
I have no reason to believe based on the fight that Kakashi was in any danger there, as again has been noted plenty of times, Kakashi allowed himself to be hit several times, meaning he knew he was in control while in the mist. Zabuza being behind him doesn't really do anything to suggest Kakashi was in any danger to me considering the other circumstances.
I dunno why you're showing me a mangareader translation when I've already posted the Viz that quite clearly shows this to be an incorrect translation.
Yes, as did Kakashi.
Again, yes, they both were.
Again, given Kakashi's confidence in fighting in the mist I have no reason to believe he was in any danger.
Again this "playing around" argument being why Zabuza lost is a pointless one, considering Kakashi was as well.
I'm honestly tired of reading this point over and over again. And one thing to keep in mind is full knowledge for both means Kakashi's aware that Zabuza isn't going to "play around" and is aware of his dogs.
Well yes, he wouldn't have attacked Kakashi without it being a killshot. That being said, Kakashi's blood doesn't have to be on Zabuza. Him having Zabuza's blood would suffice as well. And KAkashi already showed he's more than capable of drawing Zabuza's blood when he wants to.
The dogs are irrelevant to me from an attacking standpoint. The only use they hold here is tracking Zabuza. I mean I suppose I could make some argument that Kakashi attacks at the same time they do and then he's ****ed, but that's not even necessary, as Kakashi can take Zabuza down himself. But again, that's a viable strategy.
Even? Nah seemed pretty clear to me that Kakashi(when he had knowledge of Zabuza's capabilities) was having his way with him when Zabuza wasn't trying to hide in mist. I've went over this blindspot/messing around stuff more than enough.
So we're going to go away from the obvious explanation of Kakashi saying Zabuza can't beat him because A. He's got Zabuza from behind and B. Already has one of Zabuza's arms disabled and C. knows that if Zabuza tries anything, he can disable the other(which he did). I dunno why you're trying to go so heavily in to this Haku stuff during their fight. Zabuza was quite clearly still bloodlusted and fine during his encounter with Kakashi. His emotion only began to show after Naruto's little speech to him.
What is this scan supposed to show me other than Kakashi was fooled by Zabuza's bunshin use in their first encounter?(also worth noting that Kakashi was distracted by trying to protect team 7/Tazuna so was more hasty than he'd normally be, but it's a good bunshin feint by Zabuza none the less).
And yeah, that is what happened considering after Kakashi said he was ready to end it, he was whipping Zabuza's ass.
Do you want me to start reading from there because you think I forgot what put Kakashi in that situation to begin with(a totally different scenario than the 1v1 full knowledge fight we're speaking of right now)? The mist isn't really relevant as once Kakashi has means of tracking Zabuza it's over.
I explained that it's clearly not the only difference.
No, the difference between the Zabuza that beat Kakashi in the first encounter are these things:
#1. Knowledge
and
#2. Kakashi trying to protect the others
I take nothing from the anime seriously. If you're going to try and use anime to debate anything with me, we might as well stop here.
To sum some things up here, the issues with your argument is it relies on two things: #1 this whole "Zabuza is playing around", which is irrelevant because Kakashi was as well, and #2 you going off of a fan translation leading you to believe Zabuza was somehow greatly effected by Haku's death during his final fight with Kakashi, when nothing prior to Naruto's speech to him implies he was even thinking of Haku. His focus was entirely on killing Tazuna(and in result of that, Kakashi/Team 7) up until Gato arrived to kill Zabuza, which then Zabuza's bloodlust for Kakashi/Tazuna ends and his focus turns to Gato.
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I think Zabuza's reaction immediately after Haku dies is worth noting in debunking the "distracted by Haku's death" argument, as well.
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Even Naruto notes how cruel/crude Zabuza is being in regards to Haku:
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And of course after this is when Zabuza charges Kakashi and his beat down begins.
Relying on a single panel of a fan's translation doesn't allow your argument to hold much water.
And not being able to beat a full knowledge Kakashi isn't some kind of knock, very few characters(that are on or around the same skill level, obviously people like Hashirama who are just insanely better trump any plan Kakashi could come up with) in the manga can. Kakashi is the same character who developed the strategy that beat the god of the narutoverse, devised how plans on how to beat all 6 paths of Pain, figured out how to counter Itachi/his tsukuyomi, etc, etc. Kakashi might very well be the greatest tactician in the manga, very few can hold a candle to him.
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