Kakuzu vs. Itachi

[Icelerate]

1/5 lives?

I'm pretty sure it would mess up Kakuzu's psyche, not his hearts. Anyhow, why do you think Kakuzu is far superior to 3T Itachi?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'm pretty sure it would mess up Kakuzu's psyche, not his hearts. Anyhow, why do you think Kakuzu is far superior to 3T Itachi?

The psyche could cause his live. He dies, new heart revives, and his body resets. NEver said he was superior. Itachi cant put him down so its not a match, simple.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I end up rereading the fight. You made @Bold up.[/WUOTE]
that seems to be only in anime.

Perhaps I should of said elaborate more lol. How do these jutsu kill Kakuzu in time, before the hearts snap Kakuzu out. bar Amaterasu(already release)?

None of them have the necessary speed to match Itachi. Itachi has clones which he can send after each mask and prevent them from going to Kakuzu. Amaterasu is one shot as as well. He'd easily light them all up. Shuriken jutsu which not even rinnegan's linked vision could follow.

Didnt I already explained to you that their bodies dont follow nature, logic, or phyics? So stop implying that it works when manga outright states needing cranial nerves for genjutsu to function.

smh there are requirements for a person to be considered alive. These characters are alive, but in different forms. They were previously human, meaning they retain their human characteristics in different forms. Cranial nerve is formed in a different way, and if it wasn't, they wouldn't be able to be alive. Everything in the body is there for a reason, and if you take something away, you die.
Even if I'm wrong, genjutsu isn't the only way to prevent the masks from helping kakuzu.

Thats not how Amaterasu works. It covers based on LoS of the target. If the target is as small as a bird, it will extend the size of a bird. Human to Human like-size. Buijuu to Buijuu like-size.

so how did this counter what I said? Kakuzu is human sized, and Itachi has no problem in casting human sized Amaterasu.

Convince me otherwise?

It's a retarded point that doesn't need to be addressed. It's that simple.

 

[KidGamer65]

A weak counter you already concede possible. Obv this isnt 3T because if it was relevant then you would be arguing that it will be one sided on Kakuzu's behalf. So apparently IM the one acting dumb here.

Him being able to detach his threads doesn't mean he beats Itachi. :lol Again, weak counters are weak. Expected from you tbh.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

None of them have the necessary speed to match Itachi. Itachi has clones which he can send after each mask and prevent them from going to Kakuzu. Amaterasu is one shot as as well. He'd easily light them all up. Shuriken jutsu which not even rinnegan's linked vision could follow.

Stop arguing as if my argument states that they are working away/separated from Kakuzu. The only time I actually argued them separated is when Itachi has his eye locked-in on Kakuzu for Amaterasu.

smh there are requirements for a person to be considered alive. These characters are alive, but in different forms. They were previously human, meaning they retain their human characteristics in different forms. Cranial nerve is formed in a different way, and if it wasn't, they wouldn't be able to be alive. Everything in the body is there for a reason, and if you take something away, you die.

@Bold: So basically you just jot down every requirement for someone who logically follows the law of nature? Do you see why you dont have a point? Dont speculate that those Mask or Sasori has cranial nerve please stop.

Even if I'm wrong, genjutsu isn't the only way to prevent the masks from helping kakuzu.

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so how did this counter what I said? Kakuzu is human sized, and Itachi has no problem in casting human sized Amaterasu.

Thought you were implying making Ammy bigger then Kakuzu's body. Itachi is casting the line of sight of webs, Kakuzu musters up, which Kakuzu simply removes.

And once Itachi has his eyes lock in and focus on Kakuzu, hearts back stabs him from underneath.

It's a retarded point that doesn't need to be addressed. It's that simple.

What retarded is that you actually making a claim that isnt supporting your case. And you saving face, by backing away from it.

Him being able to detach his threads doesn't mean he beats Itachi. :lol Again, weak counters are weak. Expected from you tbh.

Lmao no arguments haven't been made from either side yet. Everyone says MS abilities ends the fight in one shot and I simply addressed why it isnt. If this thread frustrates you so much, then why do yourself a favor and leave? I'll never understand why you would stress yourself over a simple thread lmao.

 

[ToshiZO]

Worst case, Kakuzu can sacrifice Jingou's while the heat detaches it from his body. Much like how Amaterasu did against Kabuto's webs.

Never thought of that. That actually does counter amaterasu to an extent. Itachi would be low on chakra after it fails, so this fight would be closer than I would have thought.

But what if Amaterasu lands square in Kakuzu's face? Would he be able to rearrange his anatomy completely?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

]But what if Amaterasu lands square in Kakuzu's face? Would he be able to rearrange his anatomy completely?

If touches anywhere of his skin, I cant see it working.

 

[Icelerate]

The psyche could cause his live. He dies, new heart revives, and his body resets. NEver said he was superior. Itachi cant put him down so its not a match, simple.

But even if he gets revived, he'll still have the mental damage, no? But then again, if an edo was revived, they would still be able to fight just fine even though they died from Tsukiyomi.

All Itachi has to do is kill all five hearts.

 

[ToshiZO]

All Itachi has to do is kill all five hearts.

Lmfaooo you don't say?

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[Cornson]

Kakuzu fell for a shadow clone feint... Twice... Itachi is tiers above Naruto in tactical knowledge, he'd shit on Kakuzu's overrated ass.

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he also out smarted kakashi with his water clone and man handlered kakashi in seconds with taijutzu only.

and don't forget that had it not been for plot where naruto came to save the day at the very last second he would have killed off not only kakashi but also ino and choiji and simply resocked on hearts.

And had that happended the backup team would never have gotten the intel on him.

 

[Byakuren]

he also out smarted kakashi with his water clone and man handlered kakashi in seconds with taijutzu only.

and don't forget that had it not been for plot where naruto came to save the day at the very last second he would have killed off not only kakashi but also ino and choiji and simply resocked on hearts.

And had that happended the backup team would never have gotten the intel on him.

Okay? And? Still doesn't refute the fact that he got fooled by a technique he said he wouldn't get fooled by, especially since he already saw through the first clone feint. I'd even argue a Healthy 3-T Itachi being able to take out Kakuzu. Itachi is much faster than Kakuzu. Kakuzu's jutsu execution, and speeds are slow (i.e. Kakashi was capable of intercepting Gian while dealing with Hidan. Itachi >> Kakashi in speed). This is like comparing an ant, to a boot. The boot will always win. Kakuzu is dumb as shit for being as old as he is.

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[Dizzldot]

Okay? And? Still doesn't refute the fact that he got fooled by a technique he said he wouldn't get fooled by, especially since he already saw through the first clone feint. I'd even argue a Healthy 3-T Itachi being able to take out Kakuzu. Itachi is much faster than Kakuzu. Kakuzu's jutsu execution, and speeds are slow (i.e. Kakashi was capable of intercepting Gian while dealing with Hidan. Itachi >> Kakashi in speed). This is like comparing an ant, to a boot. The boot will always win. Kakuzu is dumb as shit for being as old as he is.

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No way 3T takes him out bruh, Itachi has average reserves its always been portrayed like that and 3t itachi doesnt have any jutsu that can put kakuzu down, domo tanks anything and itachi doesnt use lightning style. Kakuzu can use multiple wide range jutsu that itachi will have no defense against an due wont be able to kill kakuzu five times

 

[Byakuren]

No way 3T takes him out bruh, Itachi has average reserves its always been portrayed like that and 3t itachi doesnt have any jutsu that can put kakuzu down, domo tanks anything and itachi doesnt use lightning style. Kakuzu can use multiple wide range jutsu that itachi will have no defense against an due wont be able to kill kakuzu five times

Dude. A healthy (Edo portrayal) 3-T Itachi would give Kakuzu the work. Itachi can perform Genjutsu that takes on a reality aspect. This would easily allow Itachi to take out Kakuzu before he applies Domu, or he could use this to create an illusionary feint when Kakuzu unleashes an attack, making it seem as if he killed Itachi similar to how Sasuke did vs Deidara, causing Deidara to lower his guard. Kakuzu would deactive Domu, and since Itachi's visual prowess is one of the greatest in the manga, and severely triumphs Kakashi's he'd easily take advantage of the situation taking out his Doton heart. Literally, all Itachi has to do is keep spamming reality-based Genjutsu, and Kakuzu loses. How do you tell if you're in a Genjutsu, when everything seems the same/feels true? You don't. Itachi's crows are also able to use his techniques (i.e. Clone Explosion); that will open up so many tactical strategies for Itachi. Anything above 3T Itachi >>>> Kakuzu. Especially when 3T Itachi > Kakuzu.

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[Dizzldot]

Dude. A healthy (Edo portrayal) 3-T Itachi would give Kakuzu the work. Itachi can perform Genjutsu that takes on a reality aspect. This would easily allow Itachi to take out Kakuzu before he applies Domu, or he could use this to create an illusionary feint when Kakuzu unleashes an attack, making it seem as if he killed Itachi similar to how Sasuke did vs Deidara, causing Deidara to lower his guard. Kakuzu would deactive Domu, and since Itachi's visual prowess is one of the greatest in the manga, and severely triumphs Kakashi's he'd easily take advantage of the situation taking out his Doton heart. Literally, all Itachi has to do is keep spamming reality-based Genjutsu, and Kakuzu loses. How do you tell if you're in a Genjutsu, when everything seems the same/feels true? You don't. Itachi's crows are also able to use his techniques (i.e. Clone Explosion); that will open up so many tactical strategies for Itachi. Anything above 3T Itachi >>>> Kakuzu. Especially when 3T Itachi > Kakuzu.

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Your entire argument relies on itachi spamming genjutsu on a ninja as old as the first hokage who has been around every kkg and easily knows the tricks of a sharingan. I don't buy it sorry bud Kakuzu just doesnt look at itachi and spams his ninjutsu and itachi wont be able to dodge it all much less counter attack while dealing with 4 of those black masks and kakuzu at the same time.

 

[Byakuren]

Your entire argument relies on itachi spamming genjutsu on a ninja as old as the first hokage who has been around every kkg and easily knows the tricks of a sharingan. I don't buy it sorry bud Kakuzu just doesnt look at itachi and spams his ninjutsu and itachi wont be able to dodge it all much less counter attack while dealing with 4 of those black masks and kakuzu at the same time.

Do you not understand how irrational you sound right now? Kakuzu got fooled by arguably one of the most unintelligent ninja at the time (Naruto) by a clone feint, which was used beforehand, and despite him firmly stating he wouldn't be fooled again... He fell for the very same ploy. Kakuzu being Hashirama's age obviously hasn't done him any good if he got fooled by a shadow clone feint. On top of Itachi being the smartest ninja in the manga only being rivaled by Tobirama (in my opinion). You can speculate that Kakuzu won't look into his eyes, and "spam ninjutsu", but Itachi is much faster than Kakuzu. Much, much faster. On top of that, as I said his crows can use his jutsu. Itachi's crow application is instant -> a flock of crows invade Kakuzu -> Kakuzu makes eye contact with one of the many crows -> Kakuzu is exposed to Genjutsu -> GG. Kakuzu can't fight reality Genjutsu, because you have to first understand you're in a Genjutsu. That's why Itachi is so broken. Also, literally every jutsu Kakuzu used was dodged by much, much, much slower ninja than Itachi. Gian? Intercepted by Kakashi while he was combating Hidan... Zukokku? Dodged by the whole team if memory serves... Atsugai? Same as Zukokku... Kakuzu's jutsu are potent, but they're slow. Itachi would effortlessly dodge Kakuzu's pitiful excuse for Ninjutsu. I know it's hard to accept that a 3T Itachi shits on Kakuzu, but use your head. He shits on the ragdoll.

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[Dizzldot]

Do you not understand how irrational you sound right now? Kakuzu got fooled by arguably one of the most unintelligent ninja at the time (Naruto) by a clone feint, which was used beforehand, and despite him firmly stating he wouldn't be fooled again... He fell for the very same ploy. Kakuzu being Hashirama's age obviously hasn't done him any good if he got fooled by a shadow clone feint. On top of Itachi being the smartest ninja in the manga only being rivaled by Tobirama (in my opinion). You can speculate that Kakuzu won't look into his eyes, and "spam ninjutsu", but Itachi is much faster than Kakuzu. Much, much faster. On top of that, as I said his crows can use his jutsu. Itachi's crow application is instant -> a flock of crows invade Kakuzu -> Kakuzu makes eye contact with one of the many crows -> Kakuzu is exposed to Genjutsu -> GG. Kakuzu can't fight reality Genjutsu, because you have to first understand you're in a Genjutsu. That's why Itachi is so broken. Also, literally every jutsu Kakuzu used was dodged by much, much, much slower ninja than Itachi. Gian? Intercepted by Kakashi while he was combating Hidan... Zukokku? Dodged by the whole team if memory serves... Atsugai? Same as Zukokku... Kakuzu's jutsu are potent, but they're slow. Itachi would effortlessly dodge Kakuzu's pitiful excuse for Ninjutsu. I know it's hard to accept that a 3T Itachi shits on Kakuzu, but use your head. He shits on the ragdoll.

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You think itachi can dodge ninjutsu coming from 4 different angles not including kakuzu attacking himself then this discussion is over proof

 

[Byakuren]

Him being able to detach his threads doesn't mean he beats Itachi. :lol Again, weak counters are weak. Expected from you tbh.

Lol? Kakuzu being able to detach his threads isn't even a legit counter to Amaterasu. Please tell them to stop the Kakuzu wank (I already know I'm going to get a whole bunch of dislikes from them watch). Itachi was even shown to use Amaterasu on two different targets simultaneously. Who's to say Itachi won't simply use Amaterasu on separate locations of Kakuzu's body? Or just use it on his head? This isn't even debatable; 3T Itachi even shits on Kakuzu.

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[Byakuren]

You think itachi can dodge ninjutsu coming from 4 different angles not including kakuzu attacking himself then this discussion is over proof

Tell me. What's faster; Itachi's crow execution to perform Sharingan Genjutsu (which happens instantly)/simply blitzing him, or Kakuzu having to pull out his masks, and position them in said "four different angles." It's really not hard to use your brain dude.

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[BenjerminGaye]

he also out smarted kakashi with his water clone and man handlered kakashi in seconds with taijutzu only.

and don't forget that had it not been for plot where naruto came to save the day at the very last second he would have killed off not only kakashi but also ino and choiji and simply resocked on hearts.

And had that happended the backup team would never have gotten the intel on him.

That never happened

Thats not true(kakashi himself says hed clean it up with kamui)

That as well isn't true.

 

[Dizzldot]

Tell me. What's faster; Itachi's crow execution to perform Sharingan Genjutsu (which happens instantly)/simply blitzing him, or Kakuzu having to pull out his masks, and position them in said "four different angles." It's really not hard to use your brain dude.

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Bruh, they don't need to be positioned they're autonomous they're constantly flying around itachi and whats the starting distance? 25m or more itachi will never get a chance to genjutsu kakuzu hell be on the defensive the whole time