[VS] Zombie duo Takes The Gauntlet

[EZQ]

Invisible vapor/gas getting blown away isnt going to reveal the Clam. When it wont be in its proximity



Oil layer, Suiton Body. Its basically a reusable Mizubushin.

What? Maybe i'm wrong but, the vapor is what makes the genjutsu. Once its gone, no more genjutsu. It doesn't matter if it's invisible. And then they just need to fing the clam, which Kakuzu makes short work of spamming his jutsu to destroy the battledield.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What? Maybe i'm wrong but, the vapor is what makes the genjutsu.

Your right

Once its gone, no more genjutsu. It doesn't matter if it's invisible. And then they just need to fing the clam, which Kakuzu makes short work of spamming his jutsu to destroy the battledield.

Impossible. Has wide range battlefield coverage way further then Kakuzu's ninjutsu coverage. And its continuously pumping and producing.

While the same time mirages and Joki fights and divert his attention to fire anywhere but near the Clam

 

[Zexion~]

Pain was outsmarted by a clone feint from Konohomaru and was honestly outsmarted by that same Naruto in almost every facet in their fight :lol why is his intelligence never downplayed.'


lol @ the "Zombie duo supporters are stupid" talk going on here as well.

 

[ToshiZO]

Pain was outsmarted by a clone feint from Konohomaru and was honestly outsmarted by that same Naruto in almost every facet in their fight :lol why is his intelligence never downplayed.

Pain isn't smart, he's just overwhelming, majority of his battles don't come down to tactics so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Zexion~]

Pain isn't smart, he's just overwhelming, majority of his battles don't come down to tactics so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Just wanted to hear someone say it lmaoooo

Kakuzu's arsenal is also dependent on overwhelming the opponent, except he's also shown the ability to flash intelligence by out-witting Shikamaru.

 

[ToshiZO]

Just wanted to hear someone say it lmaoooo

Kakuzu's arsenal is also dependent on overwhelming the opponent, except he's also shown the ability to flash intelligence by out-witting Shikamaru.

That's because Kakuzu is one of the most balanced characters, among the most versatile in the show. Intelligence, every element, long range, medium range, CQC, large scale offense, hardest defense, near immortal. He doesn't lack in any department.

But Pain is overwhelming to another level, his focus is literally on raw power and hax (unlike Kakuzu). He doesn't worry about tactics, the people facing him do so it balances out.

 

[NarutoX28]

I disagree. Pain developed such a strategic formation that Jiraiya dejectedly admitted was invincible, duped Kakashi twice, duped Naruto once, utilized Shared Vision to the point where SM Naruto required assistance from two other Kages, developed an elaborate strategy to effectively infiltrate Konoha.

Naraka Path's defeat had more to do with Pain's imprudent attitude due to how weak Konohamaru was rather than lack of intelligence.

 

[Booker]

That's because Kakuzu is one of the most balanced characters, among the most versatile in the show. Intelligence, every element, long range, medium range, CQC, large scale offense, hardest defense, near immortal. He doesn't lack in any department.

But Pain is overwhelming to another level, his focus is literally on raw power and hax (unlike Kakuzu). He doesn't worry about tactics, the people facing him do so it balances out.

You're talking about the guy that fell for a basic clone feint twice, right? In a row?

 

[ToshiZO]

You're talking about the guy that fell for a basic clone feint twice, right? In a row?

If the plot wants you gone, you can fall for anything anytime. Neji fell for an underground tactic with the byakugan. If you want fights without PIS and CIS you aren't going to get them with Naruto the main character.

4.5 intelligence stat in the databook. Tons of experience, and he was also keenly breaking down Shikamaru's strategy.

I disagree. Pain developed such a strategic formation that Jiraiya dejectedly admitted was invincible, duped Kakashi twice, duped Naruto once, utilized Shared Vision to the point where SM Naruto required assistance from two other Kages, developed an elaborate strategy to effectively infiltrate Konoha.

Naraka Path's defeat had more to do with Pain's imprudent attitude due to how weak Konohamaru was rather than lack of intelligence.

Meh, I can't recall him outwitting Kakashi, he actually fell for a clone IIRC, and he also got trolled by Kakashi into thinking he had killed him. He just responded at the right time when Asura path intervened, wasn't really strategy or tactics.

If you're talking formation/guerilla tactics, then I guess you have a point. But he's not an on the spot thinker.

 

[Zexion~]

I disagree. Pain developed such a strategic formation that Jiraiya dejectedly admitted was invincible, duped Kakashi twice, duped Naruto once, utilized Shared Vision to the point where SM Naruto required assistance from two other Kages, developed an elaborate strategy to effectively infiltrate Konoha.

Naraka Path's defeat had more to do with Pain's imprudent attitude due to how weak Konohamaru was rather than lack of intelligence.

@bold is literally the attitude Kakuzu had towards Naruto due to the gap in battle experience and how old he was, attitude he had towards everyone however Kishi contradicted himself heavily here by literally having Kakuzu appear extra cautious after almost being hit the first time yet still having him get wrecked in the end most pointless thing in the manga tbh.

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Also he didn't fall for the same thing twice, the first time Naruto used his clones as a distraction and Kakuzu fell for the distraction, second time he used himself as a distraction and had the clones stay back (which I still don't get as its not like the clone jutsu allows you to switch positions with the clones or anything) and Kakuzu ignored the distraction and went for what he thought was the original.

Both pitiful for someone who was hyped to be the most experienced in the manga.

 

[Lord Tywin]

@bold is literally the attitude Kakuzu had towards Naruto due to the gap in battle experience and how old he was, attitude he had towards everyone however Kishi contradicted himself heavily here by literally having Kakuzu appear extra cautious after almost being hit the first time yet still having him get wrecked in the end most pointless thing in the manga tbh.

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Also he didn't fall for the same thing twice, the first time Naruto used his clones as a distraction and Kakuzu fell for the distraction, second time he used himself as a distraction and had the clones stay back (which I still don't get as its not like the clone jutsu allows you to switch positions with the clones or anything) and Kakuzu ignored the distraction and went for what he thought was the original.

Both pitiful for someone who was hyped to be the most experienced in the manga.

You need to look at what really happened and see that it wasn't really a matter of experience. For Kakuzu to avoid getting hit, his only chance was to read Naruto's mind, otherwise what happened before justified why Kakuzu chose to go after Naruto rather than waiting for him.

 

[Zexion~]

You need to look at what really happened and see that it wasn't really a matter of experience. For Kakuzu to avoid getting hit, his only chance was to read Naruto's mind, otherwise what happened before justified why Kakuzu chose to go after Naruto rather than waiting for him.

Or he takes out all the clones at once with jutsu he had already shown and was still capable of using....he didn't think he needed it because of his arrogance. Only sensible reasoning for the PIS.

Also again its not as though Naruto switches places with the clones he summons so I really don't see what would be so hard about simply keeping your eyes on the real one :lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Pain was outsmarted by a clone feint from Konohomaru and was honestly outsmarted by that same Naruto in almost every facet in their fight :lol why is his intelligence never downplayed.'


lol @ the "Zombie duo supporters are stupid" talk going on here as well.

lack of info. Pain didn't know konohamaru was a clone user, and given the fact that he was fighting multiple opponents through different bodies at the same time it shouldn't be held against him. The lack of info applies in his fight against naruto as well. Once naruto shown all his cards pain beat him soundly

 

[Zexion~]

lack of info. Pain didn't know konohamaru was a clone user, and given the fact that he was fighting multiple opponents through different bodies at the same time it shouldn't be held against him. The lack of info applies in his fight against naruto as well. Once naruto shown all his cards pain beat him soundly

Debatable as Naruto pawned him with clones to take out the Naraka path, and it was only when he had ST that he started to beat him soundly.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Debatable as Naruto pawned him with clones to take out the Naraka path, and it was only when he had ST that he started to beat him soundly.

Naruto only knew to do that thanks to the info katsuyu fed to him. Whereas pain knew nothing about frs, the other toad abilities, perfect sm benefits, and to top it off his best offensive options (machine and deva) were unavailable to him.

 

[Zexion~]

Naruto only knew to do that thanks to the info katsuyu fed to him. Whereas pain knew nothing about frs, the other toad abilities, perfect sm benefits, and to top it off his best offensive options (machine and deva) were unavailable to him.

No, he took out the Naraka after Deva had recovered his powers, pretty sure it was from almost the same thing that caught Zabuza back in part one lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, he took out the Naraka after Deva had recovered his powers, pretty sure it was from almost the same thing that caught Zabuza back in part one lol

deva's power only returned halfway through the plan, and again he lost machine path and animal path due to lack of knowledge. If that fight is done again and both parties have full knowledge I don't see naruto winning. With or without deva's abilities.