This is funny because Kizaru received the same treatment at that same moment. Another misunderstood moment. That moment wasn't to dehype Mihawk or Kizaru. It was to hype up Marco and Jozu with Mihawk being known as the world strongest swordsman and Kizaru being known as an admiral. That's why the observers were shocked by their respective attacks being blocked. They were the ones used as a reference to hype them up and you can only be used as a reference when you're considered to be in that pinnacle of power
It's especially funny, because you're ignoring clear cut context and attempting to compare two occurrences that aren't exactly applicable.
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Unlike Kizaru, Mihawk specifically stated that he wanted to see for himself the difference in power between him and WB. Oda did not write those very specific texts in order to hype up Jozu, you don't even begin to make sense. He was quite clearly portraying the superiority of WB there. Mihawk got his answer, and didn't attempt anything again with WB. Not only did his attack fall short of even reaching his target, but it wasn't even properly acknowledged. At least when all three of the Admirals individually made their first move, WB acknowledged every single one of them, whereas he didn't have a single word or thought about Mihawk.
It could easily be different now, but as of Marinford, Mihawk was not supported to be admiral or WB level.
It's especially funny, because you're ignoring clear cut context and attempting to compare two occurrences that aren't exactly applicable.
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Unlike Kizaru, Mihawk specifically stated that he wanted to see for himself the difference in power between him and WB. Oda did not write those very specific texts in order to hype up Jozu, you don't even begin to make sense. He was quite clearly portraying the superiority of WB there. Mihawk got his answer, and didn't attempt anything again with WB. Not only did his attack fall short of even reaching his target, but it wasn't even properly acknowledged. At least when all three of the Admirals individually made their first move, WB acknowledged every single one of them, whereas he didn't have a single word or thought about Mihawk.
It could easily be different now, but as of Marinford, Mihawk was not supported to be admiral or WB level.
What does it matter if Mihawk was doing it as a test and Kizaru was doing it to kill if the result is the same? If Oda draws two different scenarios that shows two characters attempting the same thing, and achieving the same result, then that means they're on each other's levels regardless of Oda's intentions behind each scenario.
The context of Kizaru's attack being blocked and the context Mihawk's attack being blocked can be 100% different from each other, but it doesn't change that both were blocked. The portrayal was the same regardless of the intentions behind each individual scenario.
To say otherwise would be to say that Oda will change the portrayal of characters on a whim in order to fit whatever idea he has at that moment, which is sloppy and inconsistent writing.
All admirals and yonkos take Mihawk. His strongest attack was taken without any single difficulty by Whitebeard's 3rd division commander and then went toe to toe with Vista who is a swordsman. Mihawk's sword is the strongest and Mihawk is the strongest swordsman but that doesn't mean that he is above Shanks who also uses a sword. Sparring and all-out fighting is another thing. If Shanks went all out against Mihawk then I guess we won't be having the "strongest swordsman" shit around anymore
It's especially funny, because you're ignoring clear cut context and attempting to compare two occurrences that aren't exactly applicable.
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Unlike Kizaru, Mihawk specifically stated that he wanted to see for himself the difference in power between him and WB. Oda did not write those very specific texts in order to hype up Jozu, you don't even begin to make sense. He was quite clearly portraying the superiority of WB there. Mihawk got his answer, and didn't attempt anything again with WB. Not only did his attack fall short of even reaching his target, but it wasn't even properly acknowledged. At least when all three of the Admirals individually made their first move, WB acknowledged every single one of them, whereas he didn't have a single word or thought about Mihawk.
It could easily be different now, but as of Marinford, Mihawk was not supported to be admiral or WB level.
Nope you're the one who didn't understand the real message behind Jozu and Marco blocking their attacks and Mihawk backing down. As mentioned by Zoro in Dressrosa, his range slashes are weaker than his contact slashes and actually lose power with the distance, so it's just conceptually impossible to think the attack Mihawk used there was his strongest attack, especially not a one handed flying slash. The slash used at that moment was an invitation for a fight against Whitebeard to test the difference in power with the guy he never fought before but who the world considers to be the strongest, but Whitebeard's subordinate(Jozu) interferred. And at that moment, the answer Mihawk got was simply that his duel with Whitebeard wasn't possible with his subordinates around, a message Oda left directly after Marco blocking Kizaru in a scene placed in parallel to that
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There is a reason why these moments were paralleled, so no occulting one event to downplay another just doesn't make any sense. As mentioned before the difference between a yonko and a loner like Mihawk is that if he wants to attack someone, he has to do it himself, if he has to protect himself, he has to do it himself when to fight the yonko power, you must be prepared to face their subordinates first which is impossible if you don't have a back-up on your hand and it's for that reason in my opinion that he is so much underrated when his hype and portrayal clearly puts him at the very least in the same league with Shanks
What does it matter if Mihawk was doing it as a test and Kizaru was doing it to kill if the result is the same? If Oda draws two different scenarios that shows two characters attempting the same thing, and achieving the same result, then that means they're on each other's levels regardless of Oda's intentions behind each scenario.
The context of Kizaru's attack being blocked and the context Mihawk's attack being blocked can be 100% different from each other, but it doesn't change that both were blocked. The portrayal was the same regardless of the intentions behind each individual scenario.
To say otherwise would be to say that Oda will change the portrayal of characters on a whim in order to fit whatever idea he has at that moment, which is sloppy and inconsistent writing.
Mihawk is speaking from the inferior league that he knows he is in, in comparison to WB. Kizaru was not.
@ bold, so if we replace Mihawk with Doffy, a vice admiral, or anyone along those lines, by your logic of assessing power with what is being parraleled, they'd all be on Kizaru's level. The logic is clearly flawed. What we can assess, is that they were both portrayed to be inferior to WB. That, however, doesn't automatically hint or imply that both attackers are on the same level simply because they failed at the same thing. We could both fail a test, yet achieve different scores. Same logic applies with Mihawk and Kizaru failing at their attempt at attacking WB.
Furthermore, we can also compare both Mihawk's and Kizaru's attempt at stopping Luffy. All it took was Vista to intervene and stop Mihawk [
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]. Quite a notable difference in power and respect that both are demanding, which also aligns with WB not acknowledging Mihawks attempt, while the same can not be said about the Admirals.
Nope you're the one who didn't understand the real message behind Jozu and Marco blocking their attacks and Mihawk backing down. As mentioned by Zoro in Dressrosa, his range slashes are weaker than his contact slashes and actually lose power with the distance, so it's just conceptually impossible to think the attack Mihawk used there was his strongest attack, especially not a one handed flying slash. The slash used at that moment was an invitation for a fight against Whitebeard to test the difference in power with the guy he never fought before but who the world considers to be the strongest, but Whitebeard's subordinate(Jozu) interferred. And at that moment, the answer Mihawk got was simply that his duel with Whitebeard wasn't possible with his subordinates around, a message Oda left directly after Marco blocking Kizaru in a scene placed in parallel to that
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There is a reason why these moments were paralleled, so no occulting one event to downplay another just doesn't make any sense. As mentioned before the difference between a yonko and a loner like Mihawk is that if he wants to attack someone, he has to do it himself, if he has to protect himself, he has to do it himself when to fight the yonko power, you must be prepared to face their subordinates first which is impossible if you don't have a back-up on your hand and it's for that reason in my opinion that he is so much underrated when his hype and portrayal clearly puts him at the very least in the same league with Shanks
Lol. Whether or not that was Mihawks most strongest attack is not relevant here. Your reasoning behind that doesn't even hold much weight to begin with, because we saw Vista handling Mihawks two handed contact attacks without any noticeable issues. You are insisting that Mihawk wanted and actually expected a clean full out duel with WB, despite fully knowing the purpose and magnitude of what was going on. As if Mihawk expected WB to put everything aside, and have a duel with him right then and there. I'm not buying it. You don't make sense. This war was not about Mihawk, and even he knew his place there. That wasn't an invitation to fight, that was a single attack to measure the difference in power between Mihawk and WB, as stated. An attack that wasn't even good enough to be acknowledged by WB.
Yes, what you're saying about a loner like Mihawk and a Yonko and their subordinates are true. However, it doesn't help your case when the loner wasn't shown to have any form of superiority over the subordinates. If Mihawk at any point was shown to be noticeably stronger then the subordinates, then you'd have a point. Unfortunately, he wasn't. His attack was easily parried by Jozu, and he was equally matching Vista. Meanwhile, the Admirals were demanding much more attention, required much more power to be stopped, and displayed much better feats in comparison to Mihawk.
I'm going to be busy the next few days, and will probably not have time to keep up with this discussion.
This isn't necessarily true. Mihawk testing the gap between himself and WB is him testing how big is the difference in their power. Mihawk being equal to him, weaker than him, or stronger than him are all still gaps. "There is a gap between us" doesn't only mean "He's stronger than me."
@ bold, so if we replace Mihawk with Doffy, a vice admiral, or anyone along those lines, by your logic of assessing power with what is being parraleled, they'd all be on Kizaru's level.
Of course not, because the same thing wouldn't happen. In the case of Mihawk and Kizaru, there is no quantifiable difference in what happened at the end of their assaults. For a vice admiral or Doflamingo, there would be a noticeable difference.
Furthermore, we can also compare both Mihawk's and Kizaru's attempt at stopping Luffy. All it took was Vista to intervene and stop Mihawk [
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], while it took numerous squad captains to intervene and stop Kizaru [
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]. Quite a notable difference in power and respect that both are commanding, which also aligns with WB not acknowledging Mihawks attempt, while the same can not be said about the Admirals.
This doesn't say Kizaru NEEDED to be taken down by all of them together, this just says they chose to charge together. One of them was holding back Akainu in a stalemate, and then on another occasion, they chose to charge in together, despite the fact that one was enough to stall him.
Mihawk vs WB is simple. One slash from Mihawk rips WB apart one punch from WB crushes Mihawk to shit. Who ever lands the first blow will be the winner.
Mihawk vs WB is simple. One slash from Mihawk rips WB apart one punch from WB crushes Mihawk to shit. Who ever lands the first blow will be the winner.
Lol. Whether or not that was Mihawks most strongest attack is not relevant here. Your reasoning behind that doesn't even hold much weight to begin with, because we saw Vista handling Mihawks two handed contact attacks without any noticeable issues.
Saying my reasoning holds no weight without explaning why doesn't help your case. It's a fact that flying slashes are weaker than contact slashes and lose power with the distance(just re-read Zoro's statement while ending Pica in dressrosa). It's to the point his daisen sekai was portrayed to be miles ahead his 1080 Pound Cannon in terms of power, and it's not even his strongest sword attack(at the very least Asura attacks are more powerful).
Like it's also a fact a one handed flying slash will be weaker than a 2 handed flying slash(just look at Diamante's moon glaive). So based on that we know the attack Mihawk used wasn't even close to his strongest attack and of course it matters. Aren't you the one saying he wanted to test a power difference with that slash? So which power difference was he actually testing according to your logic if he didn't use his strongest attack? The Vista example doesn't help your case considering Mihawk used no special sword attack on him. It was just a swordsman spar during the short skirmich we saw, something that happens very often in swordsmanship even between 2 opponents of different level(just recently i can give you the Zoro vs Pica, Diamante vs Kyros who could be perfect examples of this)
You are insisting that Mihawk wanted and actually expected a clean full out duel with WB, despite fully knowing the purpose and magnitude of what was going on. As if Mihawk expected WB to put everything aside, and have a duel with him right then and there. I'm not buying it. You don't make sense. This war was not about Mihawk, and even he knew his place there.
This is funny of you claiming the war had nothing to do with Mihawk, yet somehow wanting at the same time for Mihawk to receive better portrayal to the admirals in a war focused on them(alongside the Whitebeard pirates) as the main opposing forces
That wasn't an invitation to fight, that was a single attack to measure the difference in power between Mihawk and WB, as stated. An attack that wasn't even good enough to be acknowledged by WB.
What you want to buy or not doesn't matter. Common sense prevails and it just seem that it's lacking on you. Yup testing a power difference without using your strongest attack, makes so much sense after all
Yes, what you're saying about a loner like Mihawk and a Yonko and their subordinates are true. However, it doesn't help your case when the loner wasn't shown to have any form of superiority over the subordinates. If Mihawk at any point was shown to be noticeably stronger then the subordinates, then you'd have a point. Unfortunately, he wasn't. His attack was easily parried by Jozu, and he was equally matching Vista. Meanwhile, the Admirals were demanding much more attention, required much more power to be stopped, and displayed much better feats in comparison to Mihawk.
I'm going to be busy the next few days, and will probably not have time to keep up with this discussion.
Says the war had nothing to do with Mihawk, yet somehow wants him to get highlighted more than admirals in their own war. Why exactly would Mihawk go all out there? Which interest did he have? Mihawk sliced the marineford dwarfing tsunami frozen by Kuzan's strongest attack casually. If that wasn't top tier stuff, i don't know what it is. Oda didn't need to prove Mihawk was superior to Vista with his title. Mihawk was used to hype Vista, not the way around. The attack Jozu blocked as mentioned was far from being his strongest and it wasn't even aimed at cutting him(made of diamond), so it hardly proves anything.
He blocked it in a similar instance to Marco blocking Kizaru's attack which were paralleled with one another, so once again, you can't selectively ignore one scene and downplay the other. Not to mention even if we want to get technical, he only managed to block that attack due to his convenient devil fruit ability giving him one of the greatest durability material in the one piece world.
A material portrayed as the pinnacle to cut for a swordsman since the fight between Zoro and Daz Bones in alabasta. Diamond is the hardest material in one piece world besides poneglyphs, so the parallel for a swordsman made sense at that moment. Let's not forget as well that even Whitebeard failed to break a reinforced metal door that has less hype than diamond in terms of durability. And eventhen it was hardly portrayed to be easy when he was seen bracing himself before the attack and he almost got full body diamond to block the attack to boot. He barely broke a sweat during that entire war. He had nothing to prove in that war, not an end of serie goal
It wasn't though. How can Mihawk be the strongest swordsmen if another swordsmen can casually swat his strongest slash? Your not making any since plus there is nothing suggesting Mihawk gave his 100% all.
WB body is never taking a slash please explain to me why you think he could. Bullets pierced him and swords did as well Mihawk split an Ice Tsunami WB gets torn right through if he's hit. Vice versa with Mihawk if he's punched he's done for.
It wasn't though. How can Mihawk be the strongest swordsmen if another swordsmen can casually swat his strongest slash? Your not making any since plus there is nothing suggesting Mihawk gave his 100% all.
WB body is never taking a slash please explain to me why you think he could. Bullets pierced him and swords did as well Mihawk split an Ice Tsunami WB gets torn right through if he's hit. Vice versa with Mihawk if he's punched he's done for.
*****, Daz Bones hit Zoro with a slice that shredded apart a giant bridge looking thing, and Zoro only got scars on his chest. Mihawk's sword sliced a ship in two, and only tore open the front of Zoro's chest. You ever read a chapter?
*****, Daz Bones hit Zoro with a slice that shredded apart a giant bridge looking thing, and Zoro only got scars on his chest. Mihawk's sword sliced a ship in two, and only tore open the front of Zoro's chest. You ever read a chapter?
Did you really just use that as an example? Why would Mihawk cut Zoro in half when he said that he wanted to fight him in the near future? Lool Mihawk didn't even try when he cut Zoro chest open and we both know that. If Mihawk lands a bloodlusted slash on WB he cuts right through him neg diff.
Did you really just use that as an example? Why would Mihawk cut Zoro in half when he said that he wanted to fight him in the near future? Lool Mihawk didn't even try when he cut Zoro chest open and we both know that. If Mihawk lands a bloodlusted slash on WB he cuts right through him neg diff.
If Mihawk, with the gap between him and Zoro as it was at the Baratie, didn't slice Zoro completely in half when he swung with all his might, why would Whitebeard, who is vastly closer to Mihawk in power than Zoro was, be so weak that he'd split in half?
If Daz Bones' cuts couldn't turn Zoro into flesh roll ups, how would Mihawk do that to Whitebeard?
If Mihawk, with the gap between him and Zoro as it was at the Baratie, didn't slice Zoro completely in half when he swung with all his might, why would Whitebeard, who is vastly closer to Mihawk in power than Zoro was, be so weak that he'd split in half?
If Daz Bones' cuts couldn't turn Zoro into flesh roll ups, how would Mihawk do that to Whitebeard?
Wait so you think Mihawk gave it his all when he swung at Zoro? Mihawk didn't slice Zoro in half because he didn't want to and we both know this. Mihawk even said he wants to fight Zoro because he thinks he'll be a great swordsmen in the future so why in the hell would he cut him in half?
Yeah, one of most preserved dudes in the series would just randomly show his full power on a random occasion only to get blocked by someone much weaker than him. Yup, that's pretty much how Oda does things.
