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You do realize that "conquered the grand line" means he's the only pirate who led a crew across the entire world? That was his specific task.
[VS] Admiral Kizaru (borsalino) Vs. Admiral Akainu
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They are called translation errors. Oda reveals quite the bit of content in databooks that are still canon today. Problem is that people only beleive that translations that says something that support a belief or argument of their own.
The real translation was that Vista's swordsmanship was on par with Mihawk hence why he was able to fight on par with Mihawk in a clash of swords in Marineford. Mihawk even said that he would be foolish not to know who Vita was.
U believe his swordsmanship is equal to WSS? The clash seemed more of small friendly battle than anything. The problem with wb at MF wasn't power, it's the fact that he was old with an illness that reduced his stamina and his reflexes all of which would have allowed him to dodge some of akainu's attacks or other attacks that shouldn't have had to tank. It's a simple concept really.
More like you don't have a proper response for all your constant reaching and resort to name calling with ur buddy which speaks volumes about your arguments in general. Still waiting on that schibukai and crews equal yonko claim you made but you can't make a case for it.
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*****, every time they talk about the balance of powers, they distinguish them as three separate entities. They don't regard the Shichibukai and Marines as one thing. That's why they're called the THREE powers.
Oh so people bounties and birthdays being wrong are translation errors huh? Even though multiple reliable translators have translated them. Sabo being dead must be a translation error as well even though they imply in the Blue databook again?
Saying Vista is on par with Mihawk in swordsmanship would still put Vista on his level. Face it, the OP databooks aren't reliable.
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So by not being harmed at all by the attack, it shows that attack can harm him? Right.
What are you talking about? It's like you don't care to actually read my posts.
It shows that attacks that won't harm akainu at all will harm kizaru. An attack that might actually hurt kizaru might only be the equivalent of the kick kizaru received from Marco when done to akainu. In other words, akainu has better Haki, this much is a obvious.
They do but when a war breaks out who are allies with? the answer is the navy. They are 3 powers but that doesn't mean they are equal. Unless mihawk has a secret shanks like crew there is no way in hell schibukai equaling the marines or the 4 yonkos on firepower. They present a challenge sure but are not equals by any means. Tell me how in the world schibukai with crews can match the navy or yonkos please I want you to try.
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How does Kizaru not being harmed by an attack at all show that he'd be harmed by attacks that won't harm Akainu? What is the explanation for that link.
Do you know why the Marines and Shichibukai teamed up during the war with Whitebeard? Because they wanted to create an overwhelming victory.
Also take into consideration that the only major contribution the Warlords made to the war was taking out Oars. The worst injuries to major players on WB's side were all delivered by the Admirals.
Doflamingo and Hancock both have(well, had for Doflamingo) entire kingdoms of warriors at their disposal. Moriah had countless zombies beforehand and was able to create more fighters in the middle of the war. This doesn't even include allies Doflamingo had.
It doesn't matter if I can or can't explain it. It's what the manga says. Shichibukai forces=Navy HQ=Yonko forces.
He's saying Marco's attack was able to bypass Kizaru's first layer of defense, while it couldn't even bypass Akainu's logia defense.
So an attack stronger than Marco's would damage Kizaru while it may only just now get past Akainu's first layer of defense and land on his physical body but not enough to deal damage.
So an attack stronger than Marco's would damage Kizaru while it may only just now get past Akainu's first layer of defense and land on his physical body but not enough to deal damage.
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And yet Akainu expressed discomfort at the attack, which shows he felt it to some degree, while Kizaru remained completely unaffected. If anything one could argue that Marco broke through Akainu's first line of defense, forcing his body to transform as a Logia, while Kizaru was able to take the attack so well he had no need to transform to mitigate the damage.
All in all, it's a dumb argument with no real correlation.
Akainu's discomfort was more in relation to dealing with a bunch of "flies". They weren't worth his time because he had a bigger goal in kind. You have said as much yourself in the many WB vs akainu threads. Kizaru's personality is very bland, he doesn't react much to anything.
That second argument is just grasping at straws. I don't think even you believe that.
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That was one yonko and I never said they were inferior to WB's crew. Are u seriously saying doffys crew and Moriahs crew cause them to have enough power to make them compete with all of the yonkos and the navy. Kaido has an elite army of samurai from wano, he has a crew full of smile df users, big mom has ties with germa and has many political allies etc. mainly more than anything else schibukai in total have one top tier fighter where as navy and 4 yonkos have multiple.
Again they are a world power not an equal power don't get the two confused and they are an ally with navy against the yonkos. Stop making fanfic now Wg employs the schibukai and to even out the playing field.
So get this weak Argument out of here I know you can't make an actual case and you would rather cop out and not admit you were wrong. But keep trying I want to see the level of reaching you're gonna try on this one.
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And now it's up to you to prove that it was a fodder attack. I'll wait for your bound to be amazing rhetoric.
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Howcome Shichibukai+his crew=Yonko ???
Kaido destroyed Moriah and his crew
Doffy feared Kaido
Croco boy was defeated by WB
Jinbei works for BM for diplomatic reasons
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Marco, Vista and company went into an unsuspecting Akainu who was not even looking at them with force unguarded attacks and he simply called them annoying...
meanwhile:
Rayleigh has a simple skirmish with Kizaru while grinning and carefree: leaves him bleeding on the cheek...
That's the difference
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Old Rayleigh with stress(trying to fight many things at once, Kizaru even mentioned "You're making me look bad worrying about them facing me") etc cancelled out Kizaru while mentioning at this age he is not as good as he used to be.
Meaning Prime Rayleigh > or >> Kizaru. Rayleigh = Vice Captain of Oro Jackson. Assuming from all ships in the series captains always >> Vice Captains THEREFORE I conclude Prime Roger >> Prime Rayleigh > or >> Kizaru
From this I can safely say Prime Roger >>>> Kizaru which means he mid or low diffs him. this is to answer you objecting that no one can mid diff an admiral.
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That's bs riker logic for apparently doffys allies that's not kaido and Moriahs zombies can match a yonko or two.
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No one is mid diffing an admiral I would say he'd win a lower end of high diff. judging by old Rayleigh and wb etc. mid diff would make the manga too lopsided and screw up the power structure of the OP world. The difference between prime Rayleigh and prime roger probably wasn't too much
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